Start of Av buffer: Wed Nov 29 20:14:43 2006[10:59:40] <Av> yes
[11:00:07] <Darkclaw> why did you add _static_ as an irc operator?
[11:01:17] <Av> I'm not really sure what you're asking. Are you
questioning my ability to choose good opers? Or are you suggesting
that you'd be a better oper than him? or what?
[11:01:39] <Darkclaw> I am simply asking why you added him. I hope that
wasn't a dumb question.
[11:02:10] <Av> because he asked me to
[11:02:18] <Darkclaw> he's some lucky guy
[11:03:10] <Darkclaw> I thought a person who has irc operator status has
some type of obligation to follow the rules set by the administrator
[11:03:29] <Av> I've yet to see him break any
[11:03:37] <Darkclaw> wow
[11:04:24] <Darkclaw> a bit biased are't we?
[11:04:51] <Av> what rule did he break?
[11:05:10] <Darkclaw> to better answer your question, what rules did he
follow?
[11:05:21] <Av> i asked you first
[11:05:32] <Darkclaw> how do I know what rules he broke without knowing
the rules are?
[11:05:50] <Av> what rules do you think he broke?
[11:06:18] <Av> you seem to have a feeling for what the rules are,
because you're suggesting he broken them
[11:06:24] <Darkclaw> I will answer that
[11:10:09] <Darkclaw> The fact there are no rules for IRC operators is
the main problem. However, to answer your question, I will use an
analogy. If a police officer, on his own time outside of his uniform,
has a disagreement with someone, and he uses his privileges as a
police officer to get him arrested, is that right?
[11:10:41] <Darkclaw> Whereas if he wasn't a police officer, the person
would have not gone to jail
[11:11:17] <Darkclaw> the police officer used his biases and misused his
privledges
[11:11:40] <Av> there are rules for IRC operators. why you think there
aren't is beyond me, but they are in place. and being a police officer
and an IRC operator are *very different things*. That would would even
begin to compare the two concerns me greatly.
[11:11:43] <Darkclaw> in my situation, _static_ took his personal belief
outside of the channel and used his channel operator status to kline
me where I would have not been klined
[11:12:06] <Darkclaw> its the same exact thing
[11:12:26] <Darkclaw> if _static_ was not an irc operator, it wouldnt
have gone past that
[11:12:50] <Darkclaw> he misused his privledge by having me and my
friends klined not to mention on other servers
[11:13:07] <Av> it might have. personally I think k-lining someone for
being stupid is perfectly acceptable. And clearly opers on toher
servers feel the same way.
[11:13:23] <Av> *other
[11:13:34] <Darkclaw> well then your kline list should be full and its
not because not everyone is an irc operator and not all of them misuse
their privledges
[11:14:21] <Darkclaw> if your statement is true, then IRC EFNET will be
empty since everyone is perfect
[11:14:39] <Darkclaw> no such thing as a dumb question, I am a teacher,
and that statement gets me aggitated
[11:14:54] <Darkclaw> the fact that you are saying that makes me feel
that you are immature
[11:15:12] <Av> not really. Most people can get by just fine. For
example, you asked a stupid question. Your stupid question did not get
you k-lined. Your subsequent stupidity however, did.
[11:15:36] <Darkclaw> my question has NOTHING to do with what happened
with _static_
[11:15:40] <Av> you had no need to follow static around, or get your
"friends" involved
[11:15:44] <Darkclaw> you are biased and not the best person to get this
situation resolved
[11:15:55] <Av> i'm the only person who can get this situation resolved
[11:16:06] <Darkclaw> with your mentality, it will not be resolved
[11:16:20] <Darkclaw> how can he learn to be a good irc operator when
you have bad pretences?
[11:16:33] <Darkclaw> that you allow him to do these things and not
reprimand him?
[11:16:50] <Av> like I said, I've yet to see him break a rule
[11:17:13] <Darkclaw> he misused his privledge, is that not a rule?
[11:17:51] <Darkclaw> well, you advocate kling for asking a question,
thats the main problem
[11:18:19] <Av> he k-lined you for being an idiot. Why did you feel it
was necessary to follow him into other channels just because you were
banned from one?
[11:18:20] <Darkclaw> you are the server administrator so you can do
whatever you want but just think that there are other people who have
morals
[11:18:32] <Av> I don't advocate kline for one question
[11:18:35] <Darkclaw> I didn't follow him in other channels to harass him
[11:18:35] <Av> that's a channel matter
[11:18:43] <Darkclaw> I wanted to know why he banned me
[11:18:54] <Av> when you took it into multiple other channels, that
became a server matter. and a kline was perfectly justified.
[11:19:03] <Darkclaw> what multiple channels?
[11:19:10] <Darkclaw> #efnet and #altonbrown?
[11:19:19] <Av> yes
[11:19:24] <Darkclaw> all I did was ask why he banned me? Does that
constitute as abuse?
[11:19:41] <Av> you should have messaged him, and if he didn't answer
you should have just shut up.
[11:19:47] <Darkclaw> ah-hah there you go
[11:20:10] <Darkclaw> that is exactly what I needed to know
[11:20:11] <Av> what?
[11:20:23] <Darkclaw> the "God" type mentality
[11:20:32] <Darkclaw> IRC Operators are above everyone else, eh?
[11:20:52] <Av> it's not a "God" mentality at all. *YOU* turned a
channel matter into a server-wide matter.
[11:21:08] <Darkclaw> I don't see how I did because I did nothing with
the server
[11:21:26] <Darkclaw> I did not spam, I did not flood, I didn't do
anything like that
[11:21:38] <Av> when you take one matter and spread it over more than
one channel, it's automatically a server-wide matter
[11:21:51] <Darkclaw> I didn't know that
[11:21:53] <Av> if it's contained in one single channel, then it's a
channel matter
[11:22:00] <Av> Ignorance is no excuse
[11:22:11] <Darkclaw> I did a MOTD on all the irc servers, did not
mention anything like that
[11:22:39] <Darkclaw> who is to say someone is ignorant when there is no
way to find out until it has happened?
[11:22:56] <Darkclaw> even with your point, he still misused his
privledge
[11:23:16] <Darkclaw> if he wasn't an irc operator, he wouldn't have
klined me
[11:23:19] <Darkclaw> look at this!
[11:24:22] <Av> In that case he could have asked an ircoper to kline
you, and someone probably would have
[11:24:29] <Darkclaw> I can disprove that
[11:24:43] <Darkclaw> It is the policy
[11:24:43] <Darkclaw> - of this server to abstain from
involvement in channel
[11:24:43] <Darkclaw> - matters so please do not bother to ask.
[11:24:50] <Darkclaw> what do you think about that?
[11:25:26] <Darkclaw> if he asked another irc operator, they would not
be involved in the matter
[11:26:00] <Av> they would after you joined multiple channels
[11:26:16] <Darkclaw> multiple channels = #altonbrown #efnet?
[11:26:27] <Darkclaw> there were already irc operators in #efnet, none
of them klined me
[11:27:16] <Av> multiple channels = more than one channel
[11:27:31] <Av> look, seriously, this is getting old.
[11:27:41] <Darkclaw> well I proved myself and I think somewhere you
know I am too
[11:27:55] <Av> You're sill on the network, so frankly, I think you
should be greatful for that
[11:27:59] <Av> not even in the slightest
[11:28:27] <Darkclaw> what a privledge, being on a chauvinistic network.
[11:28:39] <Darkclaw> being klined/dlined for asking "dumb" questions
[12:22:19] <Darkclaw> did you summon your peaons to attack me?