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Oct 09 15:17:52 Bannon	wb
Oct 09 15:17:55 Arachne	does that mean ducks been bad and Mirc kicked him hehe
Oct 09 15:17:57 LockeMurdock	Las, you've got a stack of requests a mile high... Don't worry about it too much.
Oct 09 15:18:03 Bill	No problem, Las.  Okay, now I wanted to talk a little about in game encounters
Oct 09 15:18:22 Bannon	ok.  locke, this ones for you...pay attention ;)
Oct 09 15:18:46 LockeMurdock	Paying attention.
Oct 09 15:19:10 Bill	Nothing especially bad.  Just wanted to talk about being careful about seeming to pick on players
Oct 09 15:19:12 Arachne	Duck Thorne cannot join can you post the link for the room please I am tech dumb
Oct 09 15:19:36 Bannon	brb
Oct 09 15:19:42 dducko	irc://irc.neverwinterconncections.com/thefold
Oct 09 15:19:58 Bill	It's a challenge to present off the cuff encounters that aren't too weak or too overpowering
Oct 09 15:20:01 Arachne	no silly in the thread hes asking :P sorry
Oct 09 15:20:43 Bill	There is a link on the website
Oct 09 15:20:44 Arachne	I base em on the strength and level of the pc's envolved is that wrong Bill?
Oct 09 15:20:59 Civious	done
Oct 09 15:20:59 Bill	No, not at all.
Oct 09 15:21:17 Bill	The object isn't to kill pc's
Oct 09 15:21:18 Civious	as in link is reposted
Oct 09 15:21:21 Arachne	kk
Oct 09 15:21:37 Bill	Just to challenge them without killing them outright
Oct 09 15:21:41 Civious	unless its dude
Oct 09 15:22:07 LockeMurdock	Right... I never set out to do combat...
Oct 09 15:22:38 Bill	My view is if you put the pc in a situation that kills him, it's your responsibility to help them out...make sure they don't tombstone.
Oct 09 15:22:50 Bill	Does anyone disagree?
Oct 09 15:22:52 LockeMurdock	Bannon's campaign was a boo-boo. Elysa and I were stacking encounters on each other, and the way the players had sliced through the previous ones, it seemed like they needed the challenge.
Oct 09 15:22:55 Civious	Nope
Oct 09 15:23:09 LockeMurdock	Not at all. If a player dies by DM interaction, I think it's their job to bring them back.
Oct 09 15:24:04 Arachne	Locke no harm done I was the only one ended up dead yeah I whined but cest la vie more cause I had to run back and miss stuff :P
Oct 09 15:24:05 Bannon	agreed bill. 
Oct 09 15:24:21 LockeMurdock	Yes, I saw you whine on the DM channel directly to me.
Oct 09 15:24:23 Bill	Now, if you put in encounters that are meant to remain until discovered that's different, imo.
Oct 09 15:24:29 Arachne	:)
Oct 09 15:24:36 Bill	There the player can make the decision whether to attack it or not
Oct 09 15:24:38 Arachne	its an age thing ;)
Oct 09 15:25:05 Bannon	agreed.
Oct 09 15:25:16 LockeMurdock	I'm still worried about placing encounters that I won't be around to watch. It just worries me. I never know what a player will do if I'm not around, but I agree they make their own choices.
Oct 09 15:25:33 LockeMurdock	Though I'd argue that they make the choices if a DM is there, too, so where is the line?
Oct 09 15:25:38 Bannon	once the encounter is set, if they take the bait, the it is their head on a block.
Oct 09 15:26:22 Bill	I know Locke.  Sometimes it works the other way too.  High level or large parties find encounter and its a piece of cake for them
Oct 09 15:26:25 Civious	Gotta take off......Any ? for me?
Oct 09 15:26:34 LockeMurdock	How's the armor mod table? ;)
Oct 09 15:26:35 Arachne	yes Las
Oct 09 15:26:43 Civious	:P
Oct 09 15:26:45 Arachne	Play on the darn server more you are missed :P
Oct 09 15:26:45 Bill	No, not really Las.  I'm posting this transcript later anyway
Oct 09 15:27:04 *	Thorne (~chatzilla@nwc-E9BB3F9D.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #thefold
Oct 09 15:27:10 Elysa	Keep up the good work Las... at your own pace, of course.
Oct 09 15:27:10 Bill	Oh, how about the item erf, Las?
Oct 09 15:27:13 Bannon	welcome thorne
Oct 09 15:27:19 Civious	Thorne's here I'm gone
Oct 09 15:27:19 Thorne	sorry I am late, had to D/L a irc client
Oct 09 15:27:22 LockeMurdock	Hiya, Thorne.
Oct 09 15:27:26 Elysa	Heylo Thorne.
Oct 09 15:27:29 Arachne	hiya hun
Oct 09 15:27:34 Civious	CNR?
Oct 09 15:27:35 dducko	G'day
Oct 09 15:27:38 Civious	items
Oct 09 15:27:40 Thorne	howdy everybody
Oct 09 15:27:49 Bill	Yes, I think
Oct 09 15:27:51 Bannon	cnr, that would be the one i think
Oct 09 15:27:51 Thorne	Thought we had a java IRC client
Oct 09 15:27:54 Civious	Hail and well met
Oct 09 15:27:59 dducko	We do ish...
Oct 09 15:28:02 Bannon	lol
Oct 09 15:28:06 *	Vyral (~chatzilla@nwc-35F8CE2B.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #thefold
Oct 09 15:28:09 Civious	I'll send it again......
Oct 09 15:28:11 Bannon	welcome vy
Oct 09 15:28:12 Elysa	Hey v.
Oct 09 15:28:13 Elysa	V.
Oct 09 15:28:16 LockeMurdock	The CNR group needs to work with you, Las, in order to get things working. But I don't know the details. 
Oct 09 15:28:17 Thorne	Heya V
Oct 09 15:28:19 Civious	to more peeps this time
Oct 09 15:28:19 Vyral	sorry for being late...
Oct 09 15:28:19 Arachne	hiya Corny
Oct 09 15:28:20 LockeMurdock	Hiya, Vyral.
Oct 09 15:28:27 Civious	who needs it?
Oct 09 15:28:45 Bannon	send a copy this way, i can forward it on if needs be.
Oct 09 15:28:49 Bill	Las, send to Vyral, me, Elrohir and dducko
Oct 09 15:28:51 Civious	KK
Oct 09 15:28:55 Bannon	bannon@thefold.rog
Oct 09 15:28:59 Bannon	.org even
Oct 09 15:29:00 Bannon	:(
Oct 09 15:29:03 Elysa	Hehe
Oct 09 15:29:06 Bannon	lol
Oct 09 15:29:08 dducko	dhaage@gmail.com
Oct 09 15:29:47 Bill	Okay...
Oct 09 15:29:48 Civious	K, wife is floggin me, gotta go shoppin
Oct 09 15:29:55 Thorne	Can me and V get a quick recap on where we are?
Oct 09 15:29:58 Arachne	poor dear ;)
Oct 09 15:29:58 Bannon	ohh, fun fun fun
Oct 09 15:30:02 Bill	Buy me something, Las
Oct 09 15:30:05 Bannon	ttfn Civ, nice to see you again
Oct 09 15:30:11 Civious	lol jk she is watchin over me shoulder
Oct 09 15:30:12 *	Vyral just bought some toys for his niece...   :)
Oct 09 15:30:15 Elysa	Cya Las
Oct 09 15:30:21 Civious	but do gotta go peas
Oct 09 15:30:21 Bill	Bye
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Oct 09 15:30:24 Arachne	byes
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Oct 09 15:30:48 Bannon	respect V, hope she likes em
Oct 09 15:30:50 Bannon	wb locke
Oct 09 15:30:53 Arachne	tsk tsk Locke
Oct 09 15:31:13 Vyral	She's one... she likes any toy...  :)
Oct 09 15:31:17 Bannon	lol
Oct 09 15:31:35 Bill	Okay...other thing I wanted to talk about was resources
Oct 09 15:32:06 Bannon	ok...
Oct 09 15:32:17 Bill	I don't know when new resources will be put in mod.  So...in the meantime it would not hurt to put some temporary ones in occasionally
Oct 09 15:32:28 Arachne	Thorne and Vryal the meeting is being posted so ya know and can read what happened earlier
Oct 09 15:32:37 Bill	I think Elysa and Locke volunteered to do that
Oct 09 15:32:49 Bill	Is that still good?
Oct 09 15:32:53 Vyral	Just didn't want to bring up anything that had already been hashed through
Oct 09 15:32:54 Locke_Murdock	Me and Duck did.
Oct 09 15:32:55 Arachne	ok for the blonde what is temp resources please?
Oct 09 15:33:00 dducko	And me..
Oct 09 15:33:13 Bannon	putting stuff in where there isnt any
Oct 09 15:33:15 dducko	Cause Crafting is EVIL!
Oct 09 15:33:21 Bill	Placing resources via the dm client
Oct 09 15:33:22 Arachne	as in?
Oct 09 15:33:37 Locke_Murdock	Um, whatever isn't in there. Low level stuff.
Oct 09 15:33:46 Arachne	silk knickers?  
Oct 09 15:33:48 Bill	The aren't respawned when gone or server is reset
Oct 09 15:33:48 Locke_Murdock	I place Fire Opal twice, with fire giant guards...
Oct 09 15:33:55 Arachne	ah got it ok
Oct 09 15:34:16 dducko	Platinum with well equiped Dwarven Guards..
Oct 09 15:34:42 Arachne	brb gotta check turkey 
Oct 09 15:34:44 Bill	Okay, so we have me, duck, locke and elysa to do this?   We can meet and discuss this in more detail at a later time
Oct 09 15:35:12 Elysa	Okie.
Oct 09 15:35:20 Locke_Murdock	Sounds good. The thread is still there. :)
Oct 09 15:35:22 Bill	Last thing I wanted to bring up is we had three dm's leave; Gares, Satyre and Mordrid.  Just FYI
Oct 09 15:35:43 Bill	So there is a new dm password Bane posted
Oct 09 15:35:49 Bannon	i know of Gares and Satyre...when did Mordrid hang his suprs?
Oct 09 15:36:33 Bill	Actually, several months ago.  I left him on incase his situation changed, but he just doesn't have time
Oct 09 15:36:44 Bannon	safe.  sad to see so many gone.
Oct 09 15:37:13 Elysa	Yeah...
Oct 09 15:37:17 *	Vyral squirms a bit
Oct 09 15:37:24 Bill	Now, those were the major things I wanted to talk about.  Now it's your time.  Ask any questions or bring up anything you want to talk about
Oct 09 15:37:40 *	Bannon tentatively raises his hand...
Oct 09 15:37:48 Bill	go Bannon
Oct 09 15:38:33 Bannon	there are a few of us who are starting to tie up a few loose ends with the back story here.  one of these tasks involves tracking a timeline of events for the world.
Oct 09 15:38:59 Bannon	something that was raised was that DM evens (campaigns) would be a part of this timeline...would you all agree?
Oct 09 15:39:08 Elysa	Yes
Oct 09 15:39:14 Thorne	some timelines
Oct 09 15:39:18 dducko	yeppity yep
Oct 09 15:39:28 Thorne	take for instance my first campain
Oct 09 15:39:41 Elysa	A timeline would be a great resource for the Showcase, even...
Oct 09 15:39:42 Locke_Murdock	As long as we're not restricted to only timeline-centric storylines...
Oct 09 15:39:45 Thorne	it occured a long time ago in Fold history
Oct 09 15:40:10 Bill	That the Donov storyline?
Oct 09 15:40:18 Bannon	exactly.  alot of what is going on needs to be recorded so that we can see where we have been.
Oct 09 15:40:20 Locke_Murdock	Darktide.
Oct 09 15:40:20 Thorne	The results of which are evident in the Underdark
Oct 09 15:40:26 Arachne	Josh you got the posts that still? If so send em to me will ya
Oct 09 15:40:43 Vyral	No...  Thorne's original campaign.  Even though Shish kept telling us that it was current for the purposes of _his_ campaign...  when he was still around.
Oct 09 15:40:45 Locke_Murdock	I saved the journal entries as website files. :)
Oct 09 15:41:00 Thorne	Locke did a hell of a nice writeup on the campain and I just have to write the ending
Oct 09 15:41:03 Arachne	everyones @ Locke?
Oct 09 15:41:12 Locke_Murdock	Yes ma'am. All the journal entries.
Oct 09 15:41:22 Locke_Murdock	And yes, the write-up is still on this forum.
Oct 09 15:41:29 Elysa	Cool
Oct 09 15:41:31 Arachne	can you send em to me please and thank you same to you josh
Oct 09 15:41:34 Bannon	what i am looking to do isintroduce the timeline as soon as we have something concrete...what i would ask is that any fresh campaigns give us a chance to post the timeline so that major events, like my Age campaign, or the pale gates campaign can be plotted..
Oct 09 15:41:35 Thorne	Your char dies archie
Oct 09 15:41:50 Locke_Murdock	Yep, I'll zip the folder.
Oct 09 15:41:51 Thorne	lol
Oct 09 15:41:53 Arachne	yes I know I was such a bitch :P
Oct 09 15:41:56 Thorne	J/K
Oct 09 15:42:03 Bannon	or at least give us an indication of when it is occuring so that it can be included...
Oct 09 15:42:06 Locke_Murdock	Nobody dies, 'cept maybe Toby.
Oct 09 15:42:11 Thorne	So when we have a solid timeline in place?
Oct 09 15:42:24 Arachne	that was 100 earlier was it not?
Oct 09 15:42:32 Bannon	as soon as i get it.  i am looking at around 3 weeks total...maybe less...
Oct 09 15:42:32 Thorne	and what do we do about DM's that just leave thier stories hanging like Shish?
Oct 09 15:42:33 Arachne	*years
Oct 09 15:42:47 Bill	How about events that are only talked about in the background, not actually campaign events?  Those need to be plotted too
Oct 09 15:42:49 Vyral	I was trying to get that restarted...  but didn't have a DM to help me out
Oct 09 15:42:55 Arachne	What can we do? 
Oct 09 15:42:56 Bannon	aqgreed.
Oct 09 15:43:11 Elysa	What do you need in the way of help, V?
Oct 09 15:43:28 Bill	V, is that the Order events?
Oct 09 15:43:29 Bannon	those events that stalled in progress, if they cannot be restarted...scratch..please bear in mind that these are opinions at this time
Oct 09 15:43:43 Thorne	I concur
Oct 09 15:43:53 Arachne	That would make mine and Bannons job easier 
Oct 09 15:44:06 Bannon	the events that occur outside of campaigns will need to be plotted as well, but what i am thinking is that DM campaigns drive towards something..like the menhune campaign..
Oct 09 15:44:14 Thorne	unless the DM agrees to provide a write up that finishes the story
Oct 09 15:44:26 Bannon	that would be fine.  something to box it off..
Oct 09 15:44:40 Elysa	Do we even have a way to contact some of the players that have left?
Oct 09 15:44:51 Bannon	obviously it is something that all dms would have to agree to..
Oct 09 15:44:52 Arachne	thus it can be found in the Obake Library as a book then part of the lore and history
Oct 09 15:44:55 Locke_Murdock	Does this only apply to campaigns that would affect the world, or should *every* event be recorded?
Oct 09 15:45:08 Bill	those stories that got dropped because the dm left can have an end written up to include them in the time line if you want
Oct 09 15:45:20 Thorne	I will have to rewrite the Library scripts, and forward to you guys the book naming conventions
Oct 09 15:45:22 Bannon	world level events, such as the raising of clarendon, etc should be recorded...
Oct 09 15:45:31 Vyral	btw...   for those who don't know.  The Valenzian/Obake war is over...  we finished on Wednesday.  The Valenzian Legions are broken, scattered, and abandoned.  So you can use them if you'd like. 
Oct 09 15:45:42 Locke_Murdock	Okay, just making sure. My campaign won't do much. :)
Oct 09 15:45:45 Arachne	some folks do not like you messing with their stories I am one of those.. reguardless if they have left I dunno 
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Oct 09 15:45:57 Bannon	that is fine.  as long as we can start to wrap up the loose ends...there are too many for us to track..
Oct 09 15:46:00 Bannon	welcome lego!!!
Oct 09 15:46:01 Legobev	sorry I'm late everyone
Oct 09 15:46:04 Bannon	been far too long
Oct 09 15:46:06 Elysa	Hey Lego
Oct 09 15:46:08 Locke_Murdock	Thorne, are you going to be writting up the Darktide's conclusion for the histories?
Oct 09 15:46:08 Arachne	Hi Lego
Oct 09 15:46:09 Thorne	howdy lego
Oct 09 15:46:11 Locke_Murdock	Hi Legobev. :)
Oct 09 15:46:15 Thorne	yes Locke
Oct 09 15:46:24 dducko	heylo lego
Oct 09 15:46:31 Thorne	hopefully in the next week or so
Oct 09 15:46:33 Legobev	took a bit of a snooze during footblall
Oct 09 15:46:38 Bannon	lol
Oct 09 15:46:47 Arachne	hehe thats what I do
Oct 09 15:46:49 *	dducko rolls his eyes
Oct 09 15:46:49 Thorne	I have an idea I would introduce?
Oct 09 15:46:53 Locke_Murdock	Kewl. Let me know if you need any help with that. I like to write. :)
Oct 09 15:46:57 Bill	I think just finishing them up, even as a question mark.  Like the Order scattering and not being heard of now.  That effectively ends the story.
Oct 09 15:47:10 Bannon	aye
Oct 09 15:47:15 Elysa	Yeah
Oct 09 15:47:20 Arachne	But it has not ended really their are still some of the odre left
Oct 09 15:47:20 Bill	The characters can always be reentered if the player wants
Oct 09 15:47:25 Thorne	I agree Bill
Oct 09 15:47:58 Locke_Murdock	What idea did you want to introduce, Thorne?
Oct 09 15:48:11 Thorne	I would intorduce the idea of Titles
Oct 09 15:48:22 Bill	I want Generalissimo
Oct 09 15:48:24 Thorne	Titles and land
Oct 09 15:48:27 Elysa	lol
Oct 09 15:48:29 Legobev	Like lord of a land or something?
Oct 09 15:48:32 Vyral	The "Order" can be dismantled... but the story of "The Tome" should not be lost or abandoned.
Oct 09 15:48:34 Thorne	aye
Oct 09 15:48:56 Arachne	excuse me but the order cannot be dismantled
Oct 09 15:49:10 Legobev	I think that would involve some serious RP'ing..but definately do'able
Oct 09 15:49:12 Bannon	the order will always exist in one form or another....
Oct 09 15:49:21 Bill	If the players who were in the Order want to continue they are free to do.
Oct 09 15:49:22 Thorne	I belive fighters should be allowed to maintain Titles and Land
Oct 09 15:49:33 Arachne	OK may I say something in a polite way?
Oct 09 15:49:39 Bill	Sure
Oct 09 15:49:45 Vyral	The Order _is_ dismantled... for all intents and purposes.  as is the Legion.  It can be remade, but the Order as it was does not exist.
Oct 09 15:49:52 Thorne	It will give people a reason to try and play straight fighters
Oct 09 15:50:00 Legobev	what would the perk to having that title and land?
Oct 09 15:50:05 Bannon	ahem...lady talking...
Oct 09 15:50:09 Arachne	I am storyline lead may I ask this one small thing 
Oct 09 15:50:16 Legobev	my apologies
Oct 09 15:50:23 Bannon	:)
Oct 09 15:50:40 Arachne	That ya'll talk to me if you are going to mess with the main story of the world so I can see what ya have 
Oct 09 15:51:06 Locke_Murdock	What's the main storyline?
Oct 09 15:51:09 Arachne	hmm silence
Oct 09 15:51:16 Bill	That's fine, Arch.  I would expect nothing less if we are dealing with the main storyline
Oct 09 15:51:18 Thorne	I don't think anyonme to date has messed with the main story of the realm?
Oct 09 15:51:21 Elysa	Yeah... I was wondering that myself.
Oct 09 15:51:23 Arachne	yes
Oct 09 15:51:38 Arachne	The lil boy the whole reason the world exsists
Oct 09 15:51:38 Thorne	The watchers and Warders is the main storyline
Oct 09 15:51:43 Vyral	_Is_ there a main storyline?  I haven't seen anything really advancing in the main storyline of the world in over a year...
Oct 09 15:51:44 Arachne	exactly
Oct 09 15:51:58 Elysa	Exactly, V.
Oct 09 15:52:01 dducko	I have heard fo the little boy once
Oct 09 15:52:02 Locke_Murdock	Ditto.
Oct 09 15:52:02 Bill	Actually, there is the pale gates
Oct 09 15:52:09 Bannon	something that we need to change..again, it is an area that has been neglected...
Oct 09 15:52:11 dducko	a discusion with Locke and V
Oct 09 15:52:13 Elysa	If it is a "main" storyline, then it should be a little more evident to new players, I think.
Oct 09 15:52:16 Arachne	see the legion was tied to the main story of the watchers and wards it was a natural progression
Oct 09 15:52:22 Thorne	WAIT!
Oct 09 15:52:31 Bannon	??
Oct 09 15:52:32 Bill	And any other storyline can be twisted to have a relationship to the main storyline also
Oct 09 15:52:44 Thorne	I am under a time constrain guys, and I really wantedto get imput on my idea
Oct 09 15:52:46 Elysa	Right, Bill...
Oct 09 15:52:48 Locke_Murdock	I don't even know what the watcher and warders are, nor anything about the pale gates... Nothing is around *anywhere*... I knew about the little boy from the original website.
Oct 09 15:52:57 Locke_Murdock	Okay, Thorne.
Oct 09 15:53:00 Bill	Sorry, Thorne.
Oct 09 15:53:09 Bannon	ok.  archie and i will post about this..input appreciated.
Oct 09 15:53:11 Arachne	yeah I know Locke thats cause of the down websites
Oct 09 15:53:13 Bannon	sorry thorne
Oct 09 15:53:18 Bill	Can we let Thorne finish, before addressing Arch's question
Oct 09 15:53:30 Elysa	*nod nod*
Oct 09 15:54:08 Thorne	OK those of us who been playing PnP for a long time rember that Fighters used to be able to have "leadership"
Oct 09 15:54:29 Bannon	yup yup
Oct 09 15:54:30 Vyral	If we're going to give a guy title and lands... we'd really need to make lands for them to have.  And I don't see that happenening.  Look at Guy's Shrine...  it's been, what?, over a year since that idea was originally started?
Oct 09 15:54:36 Thorne	I think we can all agree that Fighters are the most ignored class on the Fold, Straight fighters that is
Oct 09 15:54:49 Vyral	Rogues...  arguably...
Oct 09 15:55:08 Locke_Murdock	Fighters at least are thrown into positions of leadership for no real reason...
Oct 09 15:55:17 Locke_Murdock	Other than, ya know, shiny plate mail.
Oct 09 15:55:40 Bannon	i can see thornes point...
Oct 09 15:55:55 Legobev	V has a great point about getting stuff done...
Oct 09 15:55:58 Thorne	Let me pose the question this way. What is the government of our realm?
Oct 09 15:56:06 Bannon	which section??
Oct 09 15:56:10 Bill	Indepent townships
Oct 09 15:56:25 Legobev	independent city states....kinda like ancient greece
Oct 09 15:56:38 Thorne	so who is the mayor of Clarendon, or is it a regent, or a dictator?
Oct 09 15:56:42 Vyral	Well, Gert is the mayor of Gulith   :)     But yeah, the Outlands don't _have_ leadership, which was why some people took offense to Obake stationing garrisons at the towns during the Valenzian offensive.
Oct 09 15:56:52 Locke_Murdock	I'd like to know about the government too! Like, badly. Obake, Clarendon, all of it.
Oct 09 15:57:03 Bill	Go Gert *pumps fist*
Oct 09 15:57:15 Thorne	The point I am making is we really don't have a "Government" structure
Oct 09 15:57:20 Bill	True
Oct 09 15:57:30 Locke_Murdock	Sure, but the outlands seem to like that.
Oct 09 15:57:34 Thorne	I would like to see one, and I would like to see it player interactive
Oct 09 15:57:35 Bannon	the outlands = lawless apart from their own mayors, etc..
Oct 09 15:57:45 Vyral	KT has a mayor (NPC).  Cardoc has been written as having a council.  I would think Clarendon would have some form of Council as well... Lorin, Orum, Noobler...  ;)
Oct 09 15:58:06 Locke_Murdock	And fighters with titles and owning land seems counter to that. Maybe they could own land elsewhere, but it'd have to be added in... As it is, there's not much *to* own.
Oct 09 15:58:18 Bannon	what thorne is proposing is a united front for the whole of the outlands...am i right?
Oct 09 15:58:41 Thorne	Exactly, but i Obake just finished Annexing the Outland so to speak....
Oct 09 15:58:49 Bill	Well, I would think that the issue would be for Obake to start laying claim to lands by giving them to certain supporters of Obake
Oct 09 15:58:51 Bannon	one that would reward strong people by giving them areas to look after...
Oct 09 15:59:00 Arachne	like Lords and such?
Oct 09 15:59:07 Bannon	aye..
Oct 09 15:59:29 Thorne	So who is to say that as DM's we cannot give quests to high level PC's for the governship of the towns and remove the local ineffectual athorities
Oct 09 15:59:34 Bill	Dukes, any title will do.  But the "king" of Obake would have to give these lands to the higher level pc's
Oct 09 15:59:37 Locke_Murdock	The other players, Thorne...
Oct 09 15:59:47 Vyral	Actually, as for my campaign, Obake had no interest in the Outlands beyond not wanting the halflings to gain a foothold on the continent in which to attack them.  IIRC, Obake _used_ to control the Outlands and eventually abandoned it
Oct 09 15:59:48 Elysa	I like the idea and all.. but who is going to build / impliment these sections of land? (should we add in more)  The people that build / code stuff are already overworked as is.
Oct 09 16:00:04 Locke_Murdock	How fast would we get posts about DM favoring players, or certain people having more clout, or whatever? I can already see some popping up...
Oct 09 16:00:29 Thorne	exactly, which is why we make the quests open
Oct 09 16:00:31 Bill	That'e the thing.  It requires builders working with dm's and story people to implement this, I think
Oct 09 16:00:43 Thorne	Its actually quite simple
Oct 09 16:00:54 Locke_Murdock	I have a mini campaign running that put an Obake scientist in the ruined tower, which had been rented by Obake. But they didn't want to take it over.
Oct 09 16:00:54 Thorne	check this out as a senario
Oct 09 16:00:58 Legobev	I just don't see us having the building/scripting resources to add a ton in right now
Oct 09 16:01:08 Bannon	aye.  the big thing here is working in unison...almost any idea can be worked if we work at it together....
Oct 09 16:01:13 Elysa	I mean, I'm all for it as long as there is someone to do it... just so it's not another thing on someone elses "to do" list.
Oct 09 16:01:16 Thorne	hold on
Oct 09 16:01:24 Thorne	listen for a second
Oct 09 16:01:25 Arachne	something we presently do not do lets be honest
Oct 09 16:01:48 Thorne	Here is the senario
Oct 09 16:01:49 Bannon	ok thorne
Oct 09 16:02:12 Thorne	We set up a MAJOR quest, something big, BUT something that PC's can do on thier own time
Oct 09 16:02:28 Thorne	It does not require DM interaction
Oct 09 16:03:03 Thorne	the winner of these "Challenges" then compete for the lordships of the land in the next tourny
Oct 09 16:03:12 Legobev	I think what you're missing Thorne is the problem isn't with DM interaction..it's with adding more onto the build plate
Oct 09 16:03:22 Thorne	Hld on
Oct 09 16:03:41 Bannon	lego...may not need a build..
Oct 09 16:03:55 Thorne	Obake removes the "Current" leaders of the varoius towns in the outlands
Oct 09 16:04:18 Thorne	as they were ineffective and Obake wishes to reclaim the outlands to some extent
Oct 09 16:04:32 Thorne	We replace these NPC's with viable PC's
Oct 09 16:04:39 Legobev	so said title holders would be stooges for Obake?
Oct 09 16:04:49 Bannon	in effect..
Oct 09 16:05:01 Legobev	*waits for Locke to chime in on this ;o)*
Oct 09 16:05:06 Legobev	lol
Oct 09 16:05:08 Thorne	As a reward for thier hard work the land owners would collect the incomes from thier Inns and such
Oct 09 16:05:12 Locke_Murdock	Hey, I'm being good so far...
Oct 09 16:05:40 Thorne	We would then have a person whos intrest is in making thier town more attractive to PC's
Oct 09 16:05:44 Bannon	a percentage going to the sponsor if i recal my history..
Oct 09 16:06:06 dducko	Hmm.. Isnt Gert already in charge of Gulith
Oct 09 16:06:20 Bill	Yeah, that's what I am trying to accomplish in Gulith
Oct 09 16:06:21 dducko	minus the income part.. but heh .. look at the town..
Oct 09 16:06:24 Thorne	so places like Cardoc may even have some good ideas from the "duke of Cardoc" to make it more viable and visited
Oct 09 16:07:13 Thorne	No additional building need be made, just some minor scripting and a new tourny which we need soon anyways
Oct 09 16:07:14 Bill	I'm trying to generate income and I have suggested collecting gold from the inn and merchants
Oct 09 16:07:51 Thorne	And the major quests to determine who the contestants for the positions would be
Oct 09 16:08:16 Thorne	EVEN if there is more building to be done you forget that I have finished all my current projects
Oct 09 16:08:24 dducko	Well as I see it there is a limited number of Lands to be held..
Oct 09 16:08:29 Vyral	*heh*  Any PC taking any of those positions would need to watch out for Ijnar's Dev Crit...   *rebel legionnaire*
Oct 09 16:08:30 Thorne	and I am the number 2 builder here XD!
Oct 09 16:08:35 Locke_Murdock	Thorne, levels and the power to kill something isn't a good system of government...
Oct 09 16:08:46 Bill	I think adding some things besides hunting creatures and crafting is good.  Not everyone will be interested in running a town or establishing a keep (another option)
Oct 09 16:08:52 Locke_Murdock	Nor are watery tarts, but that's a given.
Oct 09 16:08:54 dducko	Worked for Alexander didnt it...
Oct 09 16:08:58 Vyral	*laugh*  which is clearly evidenced by the fact that the underdark was submitted sometime last year and still isn't in the mod...   *sigh*
Oct 09 16:09:13 Arachne	Alexander died of syphallis heh
Oct 09 16:09:25 dducko	lol
Oct 09 16:09:31 Thorne	It was going to be when the website crashed :(
Oct 09 16:09:45 Thorne	that sucked
Oct 09 16:09:53 Locke_Murdock	But we're past that now...
Oct 09 16:09:55 Bill	Who is in the builders group?
Oct 09 16:09:56 Thorne	But Bane promised me very soon
Oct 09 16:09:56 Vyral	*yup*  sucked big time
Oct 09 16:10:02 Vyral	:)
Oct 09 16:10:04 Legobev	good question Bill
Oct 09 16:10:11 Bannon	as a general concensus, how do we all feel about this idea??
Oct 09 16:10:20 Arachne	Thorne a great idea but so much must be accomplished before that from builds, CNR all that techie stuff and straightening of the timeline and story ..
Oct 09 16:10:23 Bannon	def, thorne, frosty...not too many others.
Oct 09 16:10:26 Arachne	Please do not hate me
Oct 09 16:10:26 Bill	I like it, I feel it needs to be developed more
Oct 09 16:10:28 dducko	I have to say I personaly dont like it..
Oct 09 16:10:29 Legobev	That website debacle really set this PW back a ton
Oct 09 16:10:33 Thorne	Just the Idea, not the details, which can be worked out in a thread
Oct 09 16:10:34 Vyral	I personally don't like it much...
Oct 09 16:11:07 Locke_Murdock	I'm worried about giving players that much power simply because they can fight well... How about RP being the basis for running something? 
Oct 09 16:11:08 Elysa	I "like" it... but I don't think it should have anything to do with levels and killing power... like Locke mentioned.
Oct 09 16:11:27 Bill	How about setting up a thread in the forum for this specifically
Oct 09 16:11:29 Thorne	I gotta split guys, work calls
Oct 09 16:11:34 Legobev	I really like the idea....
Oct 09 16:11:39 dducko	I would be more leniet to that path of thinking
Oct 09 16:11:45 Locke_Murdock	Bill has a roleplaying reason for being Mayor of Gulith, and that hasn't caught on. Nobody is trying to run places. But if you make it done through killing, I have a feeling it'll become Capture the Flag in no time.
Oct 09 16:11:46 Bannon	np.  thorne, post it and we will see how the balls fall
Oct 09 16:11:48 Thorne	I will make a thread in the DM spectere better detailing what my thoughts are
Oct 09 16:12:01 Bannon	outstanding
Oct 09 16:12:02 Legobev	Thanks for the idea Thorne...
Oct 09 16:12:04 Locke_Murdock	k
Oct 09 16:12:05 Arachne	cool beans hun
Oct 09 16:12:05 dducko	Well if fighters are getting Lands and Titles.. My  Rogues want guilds and guildhouses
Oct 09 16:12:08 Bill	seeya
Oct 09 16:12:09 Elysa	*nods*  Thanks.
Oct 09 16:12:21 Locke_Murdock	Clerics need temples, even if they follow gods that don't want temples, too.
Oct 09 16:12:23 Elysa	Take it easy, Thorne.
Oct 09 16:12:25 Bill	duck, another problem for another day :)
Oct 09 16:12:28 Thorne	I will say one more thing
Oct 09 16:12:29 dducko	ASnd im.. yeah what locke said
Oct 09 16:12:53 Bannon	..
Oct 09 16:12:58 Thorne	I think we should have a team of 2 DMs whose job is STRICTLY to do player work
Oct 09 16:13:10 Bill	Let's concentrate on one or two items at a time.  When completed we move to the next one.
Oct 09 16:13:12 Thorne	IE questing for players who want guildhouses ect
Oct 09 16:13:14 Arachne	thats suppose to be the intiates no?
Oct 09 16:13:18 Bill	what do you mean "player work"?
Oct 09 16:13:18 Legobev	you mean player requests?
Oct 09 16:13:21 Elysa	Be right back.
Oct 09 16:13:24 Bannon	how many inits are there any more?
Oct 09 16:13:32 Locke_Murdock	Me, Gwen?
Oct 09 16:13:33 dducko	But its not a seperate issue
Oct 09 16:13:42 Locke_Murdock	I dunno if Duck is still one anymore...
Oct 09 16:13:46 Bill	Truly, I'm still an Init too
Oct 09 16:13:53 Arachne	non campaign Dm's
Oct 09 16:13:53 dducko	I have no idea if I am or not
Oct 09 16:13:57 Legobev	I assume I'm an init
Oct 09 16:13:59 Locke_Murdock	How do we get promoted? I'm still waiting for a DM mentor.
Oct 09 16:14:01 Arachne	hell even I do not know anymore
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Oct 09 16:14:14 Bannon	agreed.  the structure system fell over.  need to rework that.
Oct 09 16:14:22 Bill	You're running campaign so you have been elevated.  Unless it sucks and then back to the bench lol
Oct 09 16:14:27 Arachne	I alsways attend to player requests as I get em reguardless
Oct 09 16:14:28 Vyral	My initiate knows more than I do...
Oct 09 16:14:36 dducko	lol
Oct 09 16:14:37 Bannon	locke, you already have one...me :P
Oct 09 16:14:55 Locke_Murdock	No, I just offered to help you DM your campaign. Doesn't make you my mentor. :)
Oct 09 16:15:05 Bill	Ah, the sign of a great teacher when pupil exceeds the teacher
Oct 09 16:15:09 Legobev	I believe we were going to go back to Archies topic
Oct 09 16:15:09 Bannon	bah - you my lackey now ;)
Oct 09 16:15:11 Vyral	I think what Thorne was referring to was, a specific team of 1 or 2 DMs that run specific player quests...  not do crap like restoring xp lost from crashes (which we shouldn't be doing anyway)
Oct 09 16:15:13 Bannon	yes...
Oct 09 16:15:14 Arachne	heh he
Oct 09 16:15:27 *	Bannon considers his hands slapped.
Oct 09 16:15:30 Locke_Murdock	So a player storyline team?
Oct 09 16:15:41 Arachne	 I wanted to be polite but Turkeys calling and thus I gotta split my time wnt the way of the do do
Oct 09 16:15:56 Vyral	I think that's what he was suggesting... but we can talk about that some other time.
Oct 09 16:16:02 Locke_Murdock	k
Oct 09 16:16:02 Bill	You gone for good Arch?
Oct 09 16:16:28 Arachne	I have guests coming and such
Oct 09 16:16:35 Bill	Okay
Oct 09 16:17:02 Legobev	so what is the next topic?
Oct 09 16:17:11 Arachne	sorry you know me I am canadian polite takes the back seat bannon luvey can fill you in
Oct 09 16:17:14 Elysa	Back
Oct 09 16:17:16 Bill	Just one final word on the storyline stuff.  Please keep Arch in the loop when creating histories and making campaigns that have an impact on main storyline
Oct 09 16:17:22 Bannon	i have a grasp of the sit.
Oct 09 16:17:33 Bannon	you go get your guests sorted hun
Oct 09 16:17:56 Arachne	Umm I just want or ask that it you have a ideas for the world that is storyline or ideas for interest like 
Oct 09 16:18:17 Arachne	awards ( luv ya El) just let me know k?
Oct 09 16:18:25 Elysa	...
Oct 09 16:18:31 Arachne	or tell my buddy Bannon ok?
Oct 09 16:18:34 Elysa	Don't start with that, please.
Oct 09 16:18:47 *	Arachne hugs El
Oct 09 16:18:47 Bannon	let me take it - go get your food hin
Oct 09 16:18:48 Bannon	hun
Oct 09 16:18:59 *	Bannon is getting really miffed with the typos.
Oct 09 16:19:04 Arachne	byes and many thanks for scheduling your day around this gal
Oct 09 16:19:09 Arachne	gobble gobble
Oct 09 16:19:12 Bill	Bye
Oct 09 16:19:18 Bannon	always a pleasure never a chore
Oct 09 16:19:21 Bannon	ttfn
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Oct 09 16:19:36 Bill	I dont' have anything else
Oct 09 16:19:41 Elysa	And: Where can we be made more aware of the "storyline?"  If we're supposed to inform folks if we're going to affect the story line, It should be made *readily* available, methinks.
Oct 09 16:19:52 Bannon	elysa, this is being address as we speak.
Oct 09 16:19:52 Elysa	Is there a place where I can find a summary or something?
Oct 09 16:19:55 Locke_Murdock	Again, no clue what the storyline is...
Oct 09 16:19:57 Elysa	Mmkay.
Oct 09 16:20:04 Bannon	check the history from the foldicon at the mo...
Oct 09 16:20:16 dducko	That has nothing to do with the actual mod it seems
Oct 09 16:20:24 Bill	Locke...weren't you here at the start?
Oct 09 16:20:39 Bannon	...it will...trust me on that.
Oct 09 16:20:43 Vyral	The history at the Foldicon has some vague stuff, but really nothing else has been done with it.  
Oct 09 16:20:52 Bannon	that is where archie and i come in...
Oct 09 16:21:07 Bannon	as story devs, we are supposed to work the story into something useable by us all...
Oct 09 16:21:11 Bill	Alright, any more dm stuff?
Oct 09 16:21:30 dducko	everyone saw the new password right?
Oct 09 16:21:35 Bannon	i think i am good.  i will post on the storydev stuff..
Oct 09 16:21:37 Vyral	did we talk about this earlier?  About dm policy on replacing things?
Oct 09 16:21:38 Bannon	saw the new PW
Oct 09 16:21:38 Bill	Yes
Oct 09 16:21:49 Bill	No
Oct 09 16:21:53 Locke_Murdock	Bill, I was here at the start, and I have *no* idea what the background is. Me and Vyral tried to talk about it, but it was just our views on how the world was. (Dreams, planes, multiverse)
Oct 09 16:22:08 Legobev	I'd just like to say that schedule wise...I'm kinda stretched for doing a full blown campaign...but I'd be more than happy to take on the player requests section
Oct 09 16:22:20 Vyral	I made a post in a Rahway request... and Green chimed in...
Oct 09 16:22:42 Locke_Murdock	hasn't been discussed, Vyral.
Oct 09 16:22:51 Elysa	I'm kinda like Lego... what if we don't really have time to start our own campaign in the next 4 months?
Oct 09 16:22:51 Bannon	the structure of the DM task pool is shot IMHO...we are chasing each other around...
Oct 09 16:22:55 Bill	I think that should be fluid, not someone's permanent responsibility.  Dm's not running campaigns should be doing player request and HELPING dm's running quest
Oct 09 16:23:17 Vyral	There's been a lot of requests recently... some pretty excessive... all of them unprovable... 
Oct 09 16:23:21 Bill	Elysa, just start on developing the adventure then.
Oct 09 16:23:34 Elysa	Mmkay... I'll try.
Oct 09 16:23:55 Elysa	Lots of other Fold related commitments that take a front burner to my own quests though.
Oct 09 16:24:30 Bannon	elysa and locke, if you guys want to, you can give me a hand with the age campaign.  locke already knows to some extent what i am looking at.  if you guys are up for it, i can use the extra handse and minds...
Oct 09 16:24:35 Locke_Murdock	Zero tolerance policy on item returns, then? I have no problem with that... the emote wand is there at all times, easy as cake.
Oct 09 16:24:41 Bill	Back to Vyral's question about replacing things.  How do people feel about that?
Oct 09 16:24:56 Bannon	no receipt - no refund
Oct 09 16:24:57 dducko	Umm Rogues.. stealth.. wand isnt so easy as cake
Oct 09 16:25:07 Elysa	I'm still waiting on your e-mail about building, Bannon. : ) 
Oct 09 16:25:08 dducko	but yeah for the most part it is
Oct 09 16:25:12 Locke_Murdock	I already agreed to that, Bannon, and I'm running little one-shots and stuff on the side, as well as that courtroom one with three players.
Oct 09 16:25:20 Elysa	I don't want to dip my hand into to many areas... I'm already pressed for time as it is.
Oct 09 16:25:23 Locke_Murdock	If you're in stealth mode, you shouldn't be saving. ;)
Oct 09 16:25:30 Vyral	We talked about it before, and agreed that there should be NO replacement of xp or items after server crash.  No replacement for "full inventory bug".  No replacement for "full chest 'bug'".
Oct 09 16:25:32 dducko	Just looted something cool
Oct 09 16:25:46 Locke_Murdock	Then sneak away and save. That's how I do it. :)
Oct 09 16:25:52 dducko	lol
Oct 09 16:25:59 Bill	Has that been placed in the player policies?
Oct 09 16:26:01 Locke_Murdock	Those lines of sight are easy enough to avoid. :)
Oct 09 16:26:08 Bannon	just no replacement.  the save option is there for a reason....
Oct 09 16:26:19 dducko	and as Im sneaking the server crashes...
Oct 09 16:26:29 Bill	Have it put in the player policies
Oct 09 16:26:52 Bill	Stating how to save and what happens when server crashes, etc
Oct 09 16:27:08 Vyral	We also agreed in a previous DM meeting for no character rebuilds... except in individual cases of very new players.  And client side crashes suck, but we've all felt them...  no replacement for problems from client side crashes either.
Oct 09 16:27:19 Legobev	I think updating the player policies should be enough CYA for us
Oct 09 16:27:28 dducko	Yes mostly you have a chance to save but htere are going to be many instances where they dont have a chance to save
Oct 09 16:27:36 Bill	Has anyone asked recently for pc rebuild?
Oct 09 16:27:57 Bannon	dont think so...most are careful about it these days.
Oct 09 16:28:05 dducko	Just alignment shifts.. and I asked to loose a level after the update with the mining stuff
Oct 09 16:28:15 Locke_Murdock	Any time you can't talk, you can't save. I'd like it if we had a way around that (save widget without dialogue) but that's just another item to make...
Oct 09 16:28:21 dducko	but other then that.. no nothing
Oct 09 16:28:28 Vyral	It's been good, but just wanted to throw a reminder out.
Oct 09 16:28:40 Bannon	safe, respect to the doc.
Oct 09 16:28:51 Locke_Murdock	Verily.
Oct 09 16:28:53 Bill	I don't think not being able to save in combat is a problem
Oct 09 16:29:09 dducko	i think its nescecary though locke.. adn it can be done.. the heal kits dont exit stealth
Oct 09 16:29:10 Locke_Murdock	No, but that dialogue window *does* ruin rogues.
Oct 09 16:29:16 Locke_Murdock	Right, I know.
Oct 09 16:29:27 Locke_Murdock	And I agree. I'd like them to be in. Saving while hidden would be nice.
Oct 09 16:29:50 Locke_Murdock	People can quickslot them, click them when they want to save, and have *NO* reason to complain.
Oct 09 16:29:55 Vyral	eating and drinking cancels stealth... i'm not sure if a widgit would work like heal kits or like drinking...
Oct 09 16:29:58 Locke_Murdock	None of this "I didn't see the option on the wand" crap.
Oct 09 16:30:06 Bannon	a save token
Oct 09 16:30:11 Bannon	click and play, :)
Oct 09 16:30:15 Locke_Murdock	Right.
Oct 09 16:30:22 dducko	That would get rid of many of my concerns
Oct 09 16:30:36 Locke_Murdock	And it's in the inventory, says, "SAVE" on it... you have no reason to post a request, if you can save at all times- even combat.
Oct 09 16:30:48 Locke_Murdock	Vyral, I'm not sure either. But it'd be a step in the right direction.
Oct 09 16:30:58 Bannon	if there is a builder who can take it and run, coming back with solid facts then i say let em...
Oct 09 16:30:59 Bill	Suggest it to the scripters then
Oct 09 16:31:09 Bannon	what he said
Oct 09 16:31:10 dducko	If its possible.. would like to see it weigh nothing too..  will do bill... Thats Las right?
Oct 09 16:31:21 Bill	Yes
Oct 09 16:31:31 Bannon	or thorne maybe?
Oct 09 16:31:37 Bill	I don't know if there is anyone else...maybe Gryphyn
Oct 09 16:31:43 Bannon	gryph, good call.
Oct 09 16:31:50 Vyral	It shouldn't take more than a few minutes for las to do... he's already got the scripting in the emote wand, just needs to make a new item
Oct 09 16:32:08 Bill	Okay.   Everyone ready to end this meeting?
Oct 09 16:32:15 Locke_Murdock	Yes, make it weightless... The emote wand and all those widgets should be tiny and weightless...
Oct 09 16:32:24 dducko	exactly
Oct 09 16:32:32 Bannon	am done here...will post the story dev items seperately.
Oct 09 16:32:35 Locke_Murdock	I'm okay, unless we have other things people want to bring up...
Oct 09 16:32:41 dducko	thats an extra 3 pounds
Oct 09 16:33:00 Legobev	sorry again I was late
Oct 09 16:33:13 Locke_Murdock	NP, Lego. At least you're here. :)
Oct 09 16:33:24 Bannon	you did not miss much man.  plus the log will be posted..good to see you again.
Oct 09 16:33:35 Bill	You know the window only saves so much of the conversation.  I lost some of the earlier posts
Oct 09 16:33:36 Vyral	I'm not going to be on-server much for a bit...  and I was thinking of resigning my DM status, but I think I'll ask to keep it, even if I don't start another campaign for a few months...  any thoughts?
Oct 09 16:33:41 Elysa	Yesh, good to talk to you Lego.
Oct 09 16:33:46 dducko	Ive got the whole log..
Oct 09 16:33:55 dducko	and Locke does im sure
Oct 09 16:33:59 Locke_Murdock	Yes, I have it.
Oct 09 16:34:02 dducko	with Trillian
Oct 09 16:34:09 dducko	except for the part where he ran away
Oct 09 16:34:13 Locke_Murdock	Trillian saves it, though I lost whatever was said when I cra-
Oct 09 16:34:14 Locke_Murdock	Right.
Oct 09 16:34:15 dducko	crap I dont have it all..
Oct 09 16:34:18 Elysa	I don't think there is anything wrong with Vyral keeping his DM status... even on a small leave.
Oct 09 16:34:18 Bill	I'd hate to see you resign.  You don't have to start another one right away
Oct 09 16:34:20 dducko	 I crashed..
Oct 09 16:34:37 Locke_Murdock	Vyral, you're a great DM. Don't want to see you go.
Oct 09 16:34:49 Locke_Murdock	Though I'd be happy you were on as a player for me to run games with. ;)
Oct 09 16:34:51 Bannon	the doc should keep his status.  he taught me far too much to drop off now..
Oct 09 16:34:58 Bannon	:)
Oct 09 16:34:59 Locke_Murdock	Yup.
Oct 09 16:35:01 Elysa	Agreed
Oct 09 16:35:01 Legobev	doc...keep your status
Oct 09 16:35:07 Locke_Murdock	Taught me, too.
Oct 09 16:35:19 Vyral	Just one other thing...  I think this might have been covered before.  Please just try to be respectful to everybody online...  
Oct 09 16:35:28 Legobev	you're one of the good guys here....
Oct 09 16:35:46 Bannon	aye, we are the figureheads of the place after all...
Oct 09 16:36:06 Vyral	Everybody is here to have fun, everybody has fun in different ways.  Just because somebody's opinion of what is fun conflicts with your own, doesn't mean either of you are wrong...  
Oct 09 16:36:11 Legobev	I think as DM's we need to make sure we keep above all the drama and politicing that goes on 
Oct 09 16:36:35 Locke_Murdock	That'd be a dream come true...
Oct 09 16:36:39 Bannon	agreed.
Oct 09 16:36:46 Legobev	I think we do a good job of it....but it's something that we always need to be aware of
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Oct 09 16:38:56 Elysa	I'd just *love* to keep above all the drama and politics... 
Oct 09 16:39:01 Vyral	*bows towards all*
Oct 09 16:39:21 Bannon	respect.  gwen, expect an email soon
Oct 09 16:39:26 Bill	Thanks everyone
Oct 09 16:39:34 Elysa	Okie.
Oct 09 16:39:40 Elysa	*waves*
Oct 09 16:39:43 Locke_Murdock	Bye all.
Oct 09 16:39:45 Bill	Bye
Oct 09 16:39:55 Bannon	ttfn
Oct 09 16:43:03 Bill	I'm signing off.  Have a great rest of the day
Oct 09 16:43:13 Bannon	and you bill, take it easy
Oct 09 16:43:20 Elysa	Cya Bill
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