The topic was:
As nb is away for many months, is there a way for the active PNET developers
to get access to the infrastructure, to close it or to open a new one?
Was totaly 1 hour 37 minutes:
Who said something:
ajmitch, KlausT, radekp, skwashd, rhysw (left after 25 minutes),
krokas__, scandium, Belial-, steki,
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The talks is about, the need for contol of the dotgnu.org infrastructure
krokas__ and Belial- proposed an insurgency.
rhys said, that we need a more reliable admin, the pnet and dotgnu projects on savannah have web site versions, hosted by gnu - the question - is it possible to trasition to that?
skwashd, was willing to offer space on the phpgroupware.org box for hosting dotgnu.org
scandium said, that the problem is the dotgnu website is mirrored on all gnu mirror. And even if we move dotgnu.org (which is owned by the FSF) there are other problems like dotgnu.info, getdotgnu domains etc. (all owned by nb) they will continue to be accessible (like the spammed wiki etc)
Was asked if if is possible to start a wiki at wiki.dotgnu.org and mirror as much as possible from dotgnu.info?
Was said, that the getdotgnu stopped working a few days later after dr nick wanted to get getdotgnu to his own server
Was asked what happened to the association donations dr nick collected thry gdg.com
and if there aren't the $3k or so left on the FSF bank accout from Neil?
scandium and krokas__, suggested to start our own donation effort and then start a 100% idependent infractructure.
skwashd said that he would suggest (through experience) gnu infrastructure is a better option; he suggested to raise some money using the phpgroupe hosting, give it to the fsf, have a box which does what we need
So skwashd suggested a very simplified version of what he thinks we should do:
to get a box, donate it to the fsf (for dotgnu related purposes), move what can be moved to it, move the lists to sv, clean up the sv, and continue coding
Although different people look differently on how savannah and the current infrastructure(wiki, mail list) should be used, all agreed that:
we need to arrange a 100% control of savannah, we have it over dotgnu-pnet, but not the other related projects, although that could be sorted out with savannah admins
We agreed that rhysw is the best person to ask for control of it ( is in the best position to claim ownership of the project ) then he can grant admins rights to others
skwashd: said that he could arrange a site on the phpgroupware.box box, to make the project look active, this would give the project life (although this is not a full community thing with wiki, user projects, download area and forum) then ask for donations on there, and get enough for a box, for example the phpgroupware raised ~1250 USD in < 10 days.
So was said that we need to buy one with donated funds, find hosting for it, then get it added to the fsf asset register
skwashd said that phpgroupware got donations very simply, people contacted him, and he gave them the act info to a person living in the US, who was doing the box
krokas__, said that he thinks that the money should be donated to a person who lives in Germany(like scandium or KlausT)
radekp: said that he could offer a box with good internet connection if that would help
skwashd: said thay we still need to consult with the steering commitee
krokas said, that they were invited to the meeting, and being send personal letter, to who was possible to send one (they were not present).
skwashd: said the we need to get they ok...or fork the project
Was agreed the steering commitee needs some reform, but 1 irc meeting will not change this.
Was said that fsf has processes to be followed for orpaned project and dotgnu has extra components and processes to be considered
We need to update the steering commitee to better reflect the current situation with the project
We agreed that we need to write a letter to RMS and the bkuhn's replacement, it shoud be pretty easy to have a proper discussion via email
Was agreed that nb should be still has a seat on the SC, was suggested that then decission should be made by the majority of the steering commitee members present for voting.
Was said that t3rmin4tor could probably reach arun, who he knows
skwashd: said that he will write rhys to sort out the steering commitee issues, and then will report to the list, and then another meeting is helo to discuss infrastructure. We need a formal decision making process in place, before making decisions. The next meeting should be timed better, as there are 3 people in .au/nz who made it tonight, and many people in the US should be missed out of the time of the meeting.
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