Sunday, March 18, 2012 (9:54)
Jordan McGuigan
9:54
maybe you look nice and seem compatible and I'd like to get to know you
9:57
I'd certainly like to meet you
9:57
If that's not okay, I understand - but I would still like to be friends
Ian Dempsey
10:01
I just don't know how to really respond to this. I've never met you, you really don't know the first thing about me outside of my limited online profile.
10:01
I'm going home, be back in a bit
Jordan McGuigan
11:09
So, did you read my email?
Ian Dempsey
11:10
No, what address did you send it to?
Jordan McGuigan
11:10
perfect.recursion@gmail.com
Ian Dempsey
11:24
Then let's start with this:
11:24
From your "Religious Beliefs" section: I believe that there is a God but he does not intervene in human lives, for it would interfere with free will.
Jordan McGuigan
11:26
And?
Ian Dempsey
11:26
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but there is no room for free will, and the illusion of such "freedom" pales beneath the sheer fact that you are a biological machination of a predetermined universe, and any "autonomous" decision you make is merely the result of whatever your neurological configuration happens to be at a given time.,
Jordan McGuigan
11:27
Perhaps. But isn't an illusion of free will sufficient enough to be defined as free will?
11:28
So basically I'm saying god doesn't interfere with free will, I say nothing about whether our brains actually give our essences free will
Ian Dempsey
11:29
>But isn't an illusion of free will sufficient enough to be defined as free will?
11:29
No, "free" is too vague. Your "will" is subject to so many factors that it can never be "free" from.
11:30
Also, what is an "essence" supposed to be? That term is meanless.
Jordan McGuigan
11:30
Furthermore, it's probably not a good idea to discuss Religion/Politics/Sports so early in our relationship
Ian Dempsey
11:31
Oh, well then. How's the weather?
Jordan McGuigan
11:31
We both live in Rochester, silly!
Ian Dempsey
11:32
I was being facetious.
Jordan McGuigan
11:32
In the end, isn't it meaningless anyway? Truth will be realized only in the end, or truth will be meaningless. But for our current state, truth, is only what we interpret as truth.
11:35
It's been a long time since I've been able to talk to someone on this level, I'm not used to it
Ian Dempsey
11:37
It's meaningless outside of our own employed subjective meaning, and truth is meaningless in any correspondent sense.
Jordan McGuigan
11:38
So might as well enjoy life while it lasts then, right?
11:40
So anyway, you're not really in an "open" relationship are you?
Ian Dempsey
11:41
I'm in a relationship that is allowed to be open, but as of now I'm only with one person.
11:41
And yeah, I suppose so.
Jordan McGuigan
11:42
Do you like discussing philosophy? I thought you were a CS major.
Ian Dempsey
11:43
I'm a double major, CS/Philosophy
Jordan McGuigan
11:43
Very nice.
11:43
An odd combination
11:43
How is school going?
11:47
Do you like discussing philosophy /with me/? I'm afraid I might be far inferiorly versed.
Ian Dempsey
11:49
I like conversations that are interesting or are of depth. I'm not going to back-and-forth about inane nothings that you can already predict my answers to.
11:50
School is fine, by the way.
Jordan McGuigan
11:51
I'm afraid I might not be able to produce a level of depth in the topic you'd appreciate, however.
Ian Dempsey
11:51
I appreciate any topic with a level of depth.
Jordan McGuigan
11:55
Do you know Jesse?
Ian Dempsey
11:55
Yes.
Jordan McGuigan
11:56
I had a falling out with him last summer
11:57
We were meeting up, and I don't think he ever really had feelings for me
11:58
To this day I don't know if he was legitimately interested in me or just taking advantage of me
11:58
I don't think he is interested in other guys as he says he is
11:58
But I still have thoughts about him and I miss him very much as a friend
Monday, March 19, 2012 (12:00)
Jordan McGuigan
12:00
No comment?
Ian Dempsey
12:00
Sorry, I'm also doing homework.
12:01
But Jesse's a good guy, (and definitely is interested in other guys), and I doubt he was taking advantage of you.
Jordan McGuigan
12:03
One day he just defriended (deleted me from facebook, etc, and he changed his email [my email to him bounced]) me without saying anything and I still don't know why he did it. I'd very much like to be friends with him again
Ian Dempsey
12:07
Did you try asking your mutual friends if they knew anything?
Jordan McGuigan
12:07
Well, interestingly enough
12:07
I asked Tristan about it, and when he defriended me and I asked Norman about it
12:08
Norman quoted Tristan as saying "All he ever talked about was Jesse"
12:08
And norman doesn't talk to me anymore either, although we are still facebook friends. I think he's just ignoring me.
12:11
There's something either he said or Tristan quoted to me saying that he had "no desire to be closer to me" but I can't seem to remember (or find) the context it was said in
12:14
Tristan Sparrow
"well, i just asked him, and he said that he was trying to explain to you that he's simply not interested in you
and it seemed that you didn't understand or were unwilling to accept it"
12:14
Yeah, I don't understand why he didn't tell me anything directly though
Ian Dempsey
12:18
I don't know either, I'm not really aware of the context of the unfolding of those events
Jordan McGuigan
12:22
Well, it's over now and since he hasn't talked to me since, I doubt he wants to be friends again. I can't forget him though.
12:26
I guess you're right. I can't escape my "current neurological context" (in the sense that my brain won't let just delete the memories) but, I also /am/ my current neurological context.
Ian Dempsey
True story.
Jordan McGuigan
I'm going to go cope with some powerful emotions that have been invoked by bringing up past memories (read: cry), then go to bed or possibly focus on something else
Good luck on your homework
Ian Dempsey
Okay.
Good luck coping with your emotions.