[07:53:22 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I don't really "do" facebook because I don't really like its attitude towards privacy
[07:53:29 AM] <&spoonshiro> news updates and quick links to stuff
[07:53:30 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> although google's rapidly getting worse than them about it lol :(
[07:53:33 AM] <&spoonshiro> plus hell unintrusive so yeah
[07:53:36 AM] <&spoonshiro> yeah fuck google
[07:53:46 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> with the new privacy update I've switched from duckduckgo + google as backup to duckduckgo + bing as backup
[07:54:03 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> it's bizarre to me now that I trust microsoft more than google haha
[07:54:27 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> granted google's basically doing the same song and dance MS did in the 90s and the beginning of last decade
[07:54:33 AM] <@Shyna2> I trust them both for certain things.
[07:54:51 AM] <~vinic> what's all this text
[07:54:56 AM] <@Shyna2> Google's search engine is useful. Microsoft makes some nice things.
[07:55:00 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> it's called chatting
[07:55:05 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> internet relay chat...
[07:55:07 AM] <@Shyna2> Yeah, it happens at times.
[07:55:17 AM] <~vinic> 22:41:04 < TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> although google's rapidly getting worse than them about it lol :(
[07:55:18 AM] <~butt> 22:41:04 < TOIBUTT_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> although google's rapidly getting worse than them butt it lol :(
[07:55:22 AM] <~vinic> how so
[07:55:37 AM] <~vinic> i'm not understanding the privacy angst towards google at all
[07:55:51 AM] <~vinic> all they did was make their privacy policy shorter and simpler to read
[07:56:02 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> and started tracking a LOT more haha
[07:56:21 AM] <~vinic> what does that statement mean
[07:56:33 AM] <@Shyna2> So, if you go looking for HOT TITTIES AND ASS, they'll know?
[07:56:43 AM] <&spoonshiro> yep
[07:56:55 AM] <~vinic> but they've always done that
[07:56:59 AM] <~vinic> every search engine does that
[07:57:17 AM] <@Shyna2> And then will they give you ads about special naughty sites?
[07:57:27 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I'm not really concerned about the ad aspect
[07:57:39 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> it's moreso about the potentiality of selling profiles of its users
[07:57:45 AM] <~vinic> that's why you log out of your google account before lookin up hot asses
[07:57:51 AM] <~vinic> atom what
[07:58:02 AM] <~vinic> what gives you any indiciation they'd ever do that
[07:58:08 AM] <~vinic> which is illegal in most first world countries
[07:58:08 AM] <~butt> which is illegal in butt butt world countries
[07:58:22 AM] <~vinic> including every member of the european union
[07:58:34 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> oh right, I forgot I lived in europe
[07:58:40 AM] <~vinic> you're insane
[07:59:33 AM] <~vinic> they've said they'd never sell your data to third parties ever
[07:59:38 AM] <@Shyna2> I need me some more Mad God now.
[08:00:06 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> they also said that they were circumventing browser privacy settings in order to make the +1 button work
[08:00:15 AM] <~vinic> if you're afraid of that happening you might as well buy up your guns now for 2012
[08:00:30 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> except that circumvention ads have been showing up that don't use the +1 button lol
[08:00:30 AM] <~butt> except that circumvention butts have been showing up that don't use the +1 button lol
[08:00:42 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> also you're being awfully hyperbolic
[08:00:48 AM] <~vinic> horse shit
[08:00:56 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I apologize if my choice to not use a service due to a problem I have with its privacy policy offends you
[08:01:07 AM] <~vinic> if you'r afraid of google selling your internet identity you should be equally afraid of every damn website doing it
[08:01:24 AM] <~vinic> you haven't explained a single damn problem with the privacy policy
[08:01:36 AM] <~vinic> their privacy policy explicitly contradicts claims you make of what potentially could happen
[08:01:51 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> if you say so!
[08:02:03 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I don't really feel like arguing it especially if you're gonna call me insane for it
[08:02:34 AM] <~vinic> but you haven't even made an argument against the privacy policy is my point
[08:02:42 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> and I don't have to!
[08:02:49 AM] <~vinic> what
[08:02:49 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> because my intention wasn't to argue about it
[08:02:59 AM] <~vinic> heh
[08:03:07 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> you could just go "I disagree" and we could, you know, agree to disagree and leave it at that
[08:03:27 AM] <~vinic> but you didn't, you voiced concerns and now you don't want to explain them fully
[08:03:30 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> instead of getting into a retarded internet argument about it that surely won't be resolved because of emotional differences we have about a company
[08:03:46 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I didn't what
[08:04:02 AM] <~vinic> you've said twice you have issues with their privacy policy
[08:04:04 AM] <~vinic> what are your issues
[08:04:18 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I don't feel like looking up specifics and I don't see why I have to justify my opinion to you
[08:04:34 AM] <~vinic> you're unsufferable
[08:04:49 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> if you want to say I'm wrong then that's fine, but you don't need to goad me into justifying my choices regarding it
[08:04:50 AM] <~vinic> you can't have it both ways where you get to state a thing and then not actually explain it
[08:04:56 AM] <~vinic> i don't want to say you're wrong
[08:05:00 AM] <~vinic> i want to understand your thoughts
[08:05:24 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> and I don't feel like explaining them right now!
[08:05:33 AM] <~vinic> you could have some very keen insight into google's privacy policy and it would interest me to know it
[08:05:35 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> apparently this fact makes me insufferable
[08:06:08 AM] <~vinic> i don't know what to do about this
[08:07:06 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> well, you could just refrain from insulting me for having a difference of opinion and you could stop trying to goad me into a discussion I don't feel like having
[08:07:38 AM] <~vinic> okay
[08:07:46 AM] <~vinic> i will respond to the second half of that line
[08:07:46 AM] <~butt> i will respond to the second half of that butt
[08:07:56 AM] <~vinic> and then the first
[08:08:24 AM] <~vinic> you seem to be willing to talk about other things and about how you don't want to talk about it rather than actually talk about it, which feels like a sidestep
[08:08:41 AM] <~vinic> if you don't want to talk about it because you don't know any specifics about the privacy policy, then okay
[08:08:51 AM] <~vinic> just say "i just don't like google" and the discussion is over
[08:09:03 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I thought that was what I did, essentially
[08:09:23 AM] <~vinic> do, i asked what the issue with the privacy policy issue was
[08:09:45 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> perhaps I should have said that I don't remember the specifics?
[08:09:56 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> because in all honesty I don't
[08:10:13 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> and I'm not particularly in the mood to go and research it again at the moment
[08:12:02 AM] <~vinic> and i started throwing out damns not because i'm mad you don't like google
[08:12:46 AM] <~vinic> but because you dish out logical fallacies like carbon dioxide
[08:12:55 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> no, stop that
[08:15:20 AM] <~vinic> what
[08:16:34 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> If your goal is to have a meaningful and productive discussion, you really need to avoid calling people insane and making accusations of logical fallacies before they've even made a proper argument for their case. All it manages to accomplish is communicate the idea that you're looking for an argument (in the colloquial sense, not in the debating sense), even if that wasn't your intention.
[08:17:34 AM] <~vinic> aren't you from the new england area?
[08:17:52 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I was born there
[08:18:21 AM] <~vinic> i think there are undertones and connotation and attitude lost in translation through text chat
[08:18:28 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> ahahaha
[08:18:29 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> dude
[08:18:31 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> you called me insane
[08:19:01 AM] <~vinic> yes but if i was saying it aloud to you you would hear in my voice i was being facetious in that use
[08:19:03 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> and then you insinuated that I spew forth with logical fallacies, despite the fact that I've made no effort at actually arguing my case, beyond simply stating my personal concerns
[08:19:05 AM] <~butt> and then you insinuated that I spew forth butt logical fallacies, despite the butt that I've made no effort at actually arguing my case, bebutt simply stating my perbuttal concerns
[08:19:35 AM] <~vinic> i take issue with that last statement
[08:19:36 AM] <~butt> i take issue with that last statebutt
[08:19:47 AM] <~vinic> stating a personal concern is arguing a point
[08:20:20 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> no, because arguing a point implies that you're citing reasons for a point
[08:20:25 AM] <~vinic> any statement of fact or opinion meant to build your case is an argument
[08:20:54 AM] <~vinic> so when you said you were afraid that google would sell your internet profile, that's not arguing against?
[08:21:53 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> actually you're misunderstanding me there, I don't really have a ton of reason to think that google would be likely to sell MY profile in particular, but my objections are on the basis of principle and not whether I think something in specific will happen to me
[08:22:12 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> so I'm not AFRAID of it, I don't go around terrified that someone's going to do that.
[08:23:07 AM] <~vinic> set that aside, i'm not going to argue with you about google because i understand your placement on that whole thing now
[08:23:18 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> ok
[08:23:33 AM] <~vinic> but you've sidestepped my question
[08:24:38 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> well, the statement you are referring to is not what I'd consider a proper argument, no
[08:25:01 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> a proper argument would necessitate me going and finding evidence to support my claims
[08:25:20 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> IF I were presenting what I said AS a proper argument, then yes, I'd be committing a fallacy
[08:28:15 AM] <~vinic> this is how we'll have to have these discussions in the future
[08:28:44 AM] <~vinic> i'll have to leave my northeast style jovial curses and jabs out
[08:29:13 AM] <~vinic> and we will treat the discourse like a moderated back and forth
[08:29:42 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> if you say so
[08:29:58 AM] <~vinic> well why would you say a condescending thing like that
[08:30:56 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> Like what, "if you say so"?
[08:31:07 AM] <~vinic> yeah
[08:31:51 AM] <~vinic> we've yelled at eachother for like ten years and we make all these strides right now to work out a constructive way to have arguments in the future
[08:31:51 AM] <~butt> we've yelled at eachother for like butt years and we make butt these strides right now to work butt a constructive way to have arguments in the future
[08:32:01 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I didn't intend it as condescending, I just think you're being a little hyperbolic about it. Just because I've asked you to not start out an argument with an insult, it doesn't mean that we suddenly have to treat every conversation as a formal debate with moderation and so on
[08:32:03 AM] <~vinic> i figured out why it is i work you up into backing off
[08:32:45 AM] <~vinic> by "these discussions" i mean the other times in the future some sort of debate type situation comes up
[08:33:12 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> fair enough
[08:33:22 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> in regards to the clarification, that is
[08:34:00 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> for the record I don't mean to sound like I'm yelling at you or anything, I'm not even angry
[08:34:44 AM] <&spoonshiro> devil survivor 2 time
[08:35:20 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> I'm just not willing to debate on something if a contrary opinion of mine is going to be met with "you're insane" and "you exhale more fallacies than you do carbon dioxide"
[08:35:35 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> (and on top of that I'm really not in a debate mood anyway because it's late and I'm tired)
[08:36:01 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> and please understand that I'm really trying to be civil and fair here
[08:36:41 AM] <&spoonshiro> daichi is a bit of a psycho
[08:36:44 AM] <~vinic> well without any sort of defense your statement about fearing google selling your internet profile is pretty insane without any sort of an explanation
[08:37:00 AM] <&spoonshiro> "hey, i found this cool website that shows where and when your friends will die! i hope i see something soon!"
[08:37:04 AM] <~vinic> you might as well just unplug the internet
[08:37:48 AM] <~vinic> because that same fear should be applied to any site you visit at all
[08:38:02 AM] <~vinic> i wanted you to explain why you felt google would do so more than other similar sites
[08:38:10 AM] <~vinic> in relation to their privacy policy
[08:38:16 AM] <~vinic> which explicitly states it will never do that
[08:38:23 AM] <~vinic> which is where it becomes insane
[08:38:42 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> are you done yet?
[08:38:57 AM] <~vinic> you brought this back up
[08:39:07 AM] <~vinic> i was content with spoony talking about funny things being the bookend
[08:39:21 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> dude I've been trying to end this stupid conversation for the past 10 minutes lol
[08:39:57 AM] <~vinic> then why bring that stuff up again
[08:39:59 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> and then you go back to a point I've already clarified and put almost the same words in my mouth and tried to justify your calling me insane
[08:40:19 AM] <@Zero_Diamond> look guys, before this goes any further
[08:40:25 AM] <@Zero_Diamond> can you please stop having such a long fucking name
[08:40:28 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> what, bringing up the things you said that I took exception to? because I was explaining why it bothered me and why I didn't like it
[08:40:33 AM] <~vinic> heh
[08:40:33 AM] <TOILET_TIME_2_ELECTRIC_POOPALO> my apologies if that was a misstep
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[08:40:43 AM] <@Zero_Diamond> thank you
[08:40:44 AM] <pp> you got it pal
[08:41:00 AM] <~vinic> i honestly don't understand why my calling you insane is so offensive
[08:41:08 AM] <~vinic> by calling you insane i am inviting you to explain yourself
[08:41:36 AM] <~vinic> i suppose i should have said "i find this stance very foreign to me and outlandish, please elaborate as to why you feel that way"
[08:41:36 AM] <~butt> i buttpose i should have said "i find this stance very foreign to me and outlandish, butt elaborate as to why you feel that way"
[08:42:16 AM] <~vinic> but instead i called you insane because it's funnier
[08:42:30 AM] <~vinic> and quicker
[08:42:47 AM] <pp> in all honesty it didn't come off as being an attempt at humor, it just sounded like you were trying to insult me for having an opinion you didn't like
[08:42:54 AM] <pp> my apologies if that's misinterpretation on my part
[08:42:58 AM] <~vinic> who cares if i insult you
[08:43:02 AM] <~vinic> we all insult eachother all the time
[08:43:15 AM] <pp> it's a matter of context
[08:43:15 AM] <~vinic> that's our thing
[08:43:39 AM] <pp> it'd be like if you said something about not liking something apple did, and I went "wow you're pretty dumb huh"
[08:43:57 AM] <~vinic> i didn't peg you as a guy who takes issue with word usage
[08:43:59 AM] <pp> even if I meant to just kid around, it'd make me look like kind of a dick
[08:44:16 AM] <~vinic> calling a dude an idiot is a different deal
[08:44:24 AM] <~vinic> of course you are not "insane"
[08:44:31 AM] <pp> and of course you aren't an idiot!
[08:44:31 AM] <~butt> and of course you butt't an idiot!
[08:44:46 AM] <~vinic> you are far more likely to be an idiot than insane
[08:44:55 AM] <~vinic> in fact i am an idiot about a lot of things
[08:45:04 AM] <~vinic> like astrophysics
[08:45:09 AM] <~vinic> and backflips
[08:45:35 AM] <~vinic> most things i am an idiot about
[08:45:39 AM] <~vinic> the history of africa
[08:45:51 AM] <~vinic> turtles
[08:45:58 AM] <pp> I'd call that ignorance (no negative connotation intended) but that's semantics
[08:46:11 AM] <&spoonshiro> RANDOM OMM: No tutorial. No getting started. Nothing. Shitty graphics, shitty sound, shitty interface. It seems TalonSoft thinks the only way to attract wargamers is to make the game as esoteric as Unix. I'm at a loss as to why they included any graphics at all. Why not just put some graph paper in the box and let the player plot their own battles?
[08:46:23 AM] <~vinic> spoony has one major job
[08:46:23 AM] <Rattar> y'all are ignorant as fuck
[08:46:35 AM] <pp> y'all jus ignant
[08:46:40 AM] <~vinic> that job is to dictate when an argument is boring
[08:46:47 AM] <&spoonshiro> yes
[08:46:51 AM] <pp> I agree with spoony
[08:46:55 AM] <~vinic> he said it was like ten minutes ago
[08:46:55 AM] <~butt> he butt it was like ten minutes ago
[08:47:20 AM] <pp> well then why don't we stop talking about this then
[08:47:25 AM] <pp> which was my goal over 10 minutes ago haha
[08:47:42 AM] <&spoonshiro> it's leeloo
AND THEN HE FINALLY SHUT UP