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#1
11-05-2011, 11:11 AM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Its stuff like this android...
Edit: I did not make this thread with the intention of making it an android vs iOS flamewar, it's just my recent opinion with my new android handset...
So I've been an iphone user since the 2G iphone, upgraded to 3g.. and shortly after that the nexus one came out and everyone seemed to go crazy for it so I decided to get it. 6 months, crashing, headaches, and frustration all around later, I sold it and got an iPhone 4 and couldn't be happier...
Anyways, ever since the xperia play came out and it caught my eye because of the emulation abilities of the device with the control pad and stuff... I always thought about getting it as a secondary phone, there was no way in hell I would go back to android full time.
Sooo a few days ago I got it on sale for 220 dlls, off contract, unlocked. I'm using it like an Ipod touch at the moment, or MID.. But starting to use android again made me instantly realize why I hated it so much. Turning on an android phone (at least in this case) is exactly like turning on a newly acquired laptop. Tons of bloatware, a lot of stuff I had to uninstall.
As always, rooting was a pain for someone unfamiliar with android... and sometimes people in the XDA forums assume that you know your device inside-out.
HOWEVER, the real kicker was when I launched the android market and was scrolling through the top free apps.... look below...
An antivirus..............AN ANTIVIRUS FOR A FREAKING PHONE?! I mean come on, I know smartphones are becoming more like computers and crap but... Now I actually have to worry about getting a virus on my phone? where theres practically more sensitive data than in my personal computer? (bank accounts, phone numbers etc.)
Seriously... no. I hate you android and you will never be my primary OS ever again.
On the upside, I like the build quality (for the price), the controller feels REALLY solid. I gotta admit the OS is pretty snappy too, even though its a single core processor, the browser does not seem to have a problem handling flash content (I stress tested it using porn sites so you I know for a fact it can handle stressful flash situations). Camera is decent, they actually upgraded it to 720p through an update... though it was stupid not to include it in the first place since all reviews have stated its only 480p recording. And the thing that impressed me the most are the stereo speakers... they are LOUD, I can't believe a device so little can pump out sound like that. aaand thats about it.
All in all, I can play destruction derby at full speed on it
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#2
11-05-2011, 11:15 AM
ChrisJohnson00TA Gawd, 6.5 Years Status:
This thread is full of weak.
#3
11-05-2011, 11:17 AM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisJohnson00TA
This thread is full of weak.
Well I just wanted to share... I actually like to try devices before taking sides. It's not all negative tho
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11-05-2011, 11:20 AM
lloose [H]ardForum Junkie, 6.5 Years Status:
I've thought about getting one for emulation too. My contract is up, I might go play around with one in store.
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#5
11-05-2011, 11:21 AM
Archer1212 [H]ardness Supreme, 7.6 Years Status:
battery life is also shit compared to iOS too
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11-05-2011, 11:23 AM
ComputerBox34 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.3 Years Status:
AV's for android are a joke - they are geared towards those who don't know what they are doing and would just download any old app off the open market.
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#7
11-05-2011, 11:26 AM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by lloose
I've thought about getting one for emulation too. My contract is up, I might go play around with one in store.
Yeah it's awesome for that. I was actually one of the first pre orderers for the open pandora project http://openpandora.org/ however I cancelled my pre order after waiting for more than 2 years and seeing the build quality was crappy as hell on it. Then the xperia play was announced.
I'm also surprised that a lot of existing oldish android games support the gamepad... that's cool.
Quote: Originally Posted by Archer1212
battery life is also shit compared to iOS too
Definitely worse on this device... however given the big variety of android phones i'm not sure if you should blame the OS or the device itself...
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#8
11-05-2011, 11:29 AM
Blue Falcon The Geek Redneck, 9.7 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisJohnson00TA
This thread is full of weak.
Seriously... the OP is on because Androids (largely) open Market has an Antivirus app in it? So fucking what? Don't download it? Take your iddy biddy finger and scroll down past it?
Bloatware? What 'bloatware' does the Nexus come with? What bloatware does ANY Android handset come with? Maybe if it's a contract phone it will have a few provider apps but Android isn't alone in that for sure...
I like both phones... Android and Apple, but if you want to come and discuss 'real' reasons Android does or doesn't suck, that's fine I'll listen to you all day... but if you're just a sheep who likes the pretty Apple buttplug in his pocket then I'll just and move on. I'm not saying the OP falls into that category just yet but I'm leaning that way.
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#9
11-05-2011, 11:31 AM
compslckr [H]ardForum Junkie, 9.7 Years Status:
I was much happier with my iPhone. with android I feel like I have to go three places to see the same information.
Example, email.. I have to use the gmail app, the stock mail app for my personal domain email, and touchdown for corporate exchange. On my iPhone they were all in one app (stock mail) and it worked really well.
It also bugs the heck out of me that I can't preview an SMS without unlocking the screen. Also the screen does not light up when I get an SMS, only vibrates / makes sound.
If I find an iPhone 4s for a reasonable price I might switch. The other option would be to pay the 35% restocking fee at AT&T and trade the SGS2 in for the iPhone.
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11-05-2011, 11:34 AM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Blue Falcon
Seriously... the OP is on because Androids (largely) open Market has an Antivirus app in it? So fucking what? Don't download it? Take your iddy biddy finger and scroll down past it?
Bloatware? What 'bloatware' does the Nexus come with? What bloatware does ANY Android handset come with? Maybe if it's a contract phone it will have a few provider apps but Android isn't alone in that for sure...
I like both phones... Android and Apple, but if you want to come and discuss 'real' reasons Android does or doesn't suck, that's fine I'll listen to you all day... but if you're just a sheep who likes the pretty Apple buttplug in his pocket then I'll just and move on.
Geez, take a chill pill. If you read carefully I didn't say the nexus had bloatware, it was just really unstable for me.
Bloatware to me is the crapton of widgets and frontends the xperia has. Upon plugging it to my computer I get a bunch of pop ups, telling me if I want to install media server software and sync stuff. A lot of unnecessary apps too. That, to me, is bloatware.
I could care less if there are 1000 AV's in the market, the fact that they need to exist on the platform is the problem.
Btw, heres a picture of most of the stuff that comes preinstalled except some games I installed myself. (I already erased some stuff)
I mean come on, there's some stuff there I won't even try to open.
Oh damn, I missed the fifth screen.....oh well you get the idea.
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#11
11-05-2011, 11:57 AM
Team Obi Juan Your Local Postmaster, 6.4 Years Status:
You've kicked the hive this time, OP.
Repent by making fun of Steve Jobs.
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#12
11-05-2011, 12:01 PM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Team Obi Juan
You've kicked the hive this time, OP.
Repent by making fun of Steve Jobs.
But I never kick the hive! I'm usually more of a lurker than poster around here.
I won't make fun of master jobs but here, i'll make it up to you guys.
We cool?
Her name is susan coffey in case you wanted to know hehe
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#13
11-05-2011, 12:05 PM
lloose [H]ardForum Junkie, 6.5 Years Status:
I've used both android an iOS and I like them both. Android feels more clunky even on good hardware and I really hate pre installed carrier stuff though. iOS is slick and everything works together. I don't like using iTunes or having to convert even the most basic media file just to play it on ios.
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11-05-2011, 12:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Andrew_e1
But I never kick the hive! I'm usually more of a lurker than poster around here.
I won't make fun of master jobs but here, i'll make it up to you guys.
We cool?
Yep. Definitely cool.
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#15
11-05-2011, 12:09 PM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Used android since the OG droid
Recently switched to an iphone 4s because I was sick of having to tweak my phone for it to act like a usable phone
Am now happy
I wish android the best -- I hope the carriers stop sticking their shitty fingers in it too
#16
11-05-2011, 12:20 PM
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I had windows mobile on a HTC Tilt. I spilled rubbing alcohol all over it and it was dead, had insurance replace it and they sent me an HTC FUZE. Worst phone I've ever had. Slow as balls, froze constantly... It's funny because the Tilt was a good phone. The person who handled the insurance claim said it was an upgrade... pfft... So I replaced it as soon as I could, with an HTC Aria. It's a nice phone, but horribly built. I just broke my 3rd one. I gave up paying for replacements. I got this thing and couldn't be happier.
and I should be getting one of these in a few weeks:
and if the iPhone 4s ever comes back in stock I'll be getting a handmedown 3gs.
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#17
11-05-2011, 12:23 PM
schenksmill [H]ard|Gawd, 5.7 Years Status:
As a mobile developer, both Android and iOS can die in a fire.
#18
11-05-2011, 01:25 PM
CaptNumbNutz Bulls[H]it Master, 4.8 Years Status:
Sorry you feel that way.
I got an Atrix 4G and it is amazing. It had some ATT bloatware on it, but I was able to remove everything I didn't want. If its actually gone, I don't know or care. All I care is that it's gone from my programs list and doesn't show as running. As long as I leave the brightness low on the screen, set it to max battery saver mode, and only use it for phone calls and texts and my alarm clock, it will last 3 days on a charge. If I sit and dick around on the internet all day and play games on it when I have a perfectly usable computer for that, it will only last a day on a charge. I usually average about a day and half on a charge under normal usage.
A lot of the negative sentiment I have seen towards android remains from older versions such as 1.6, 2.0 and 2.1. Very little of it comes from 2.2 and beyond. My phone has 2.3.4 on it, and I don't see any of the problems you or many other people mention about Android. I have only a couple problems with it, but nothing I can't live with.
I do wish Google would clamp down on the android market a lot more. I'm willing to bet that more than half of the problems people report are from some unstable program they downloaded that is running in the background. Being the leader in the smartphone market with a huge open marketplace also makes it ripe for potential malware invasion.
Believe it or not, the only app I have ever had problems with was facebook. I even went so far as to put it in the auto-end app list in my built-in task manager. It still managed to re-open itself without my input and run. Fortunately the task manager would still kill it after 2 minutes, but there would be brief 2 minute periods where my phone would be slow and unresponsive. Every single time, facebook showed as open in my task manager even though I had already killed it. Removed Facebook app, problem gone.
I was not alone with this problem, the issue also occurred on my girlfriend's phone, but was much worse. It would completely lock up her phone on occasion. Removed Facebook app, problem gone.
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11-06-2011, 01:48 AM
Wondernerd [H]ardness Supreme, 9.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Andrew_e1
An antivirus..............AN ANTIVIRUS FOR A FREAKING PHONE?!
Did you know there is an exploit in Safari that will give an iOS device a virus?
And there is a virus scanner in the Appstore.
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#20
11-06-2011, 02:43 AM
Bbq King of Charts, 6.0 Years Status:
Android. It's customizable, because you can't do shit without downloading replacement apps for all the included ones.
Also, the worst market in history.
Also, samsung can suck a fat dick.
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#21
11-06-2011, 03:08 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Archer1212
battery life is also shit compared to iOS too
Once you trim the fat from the carrier's image, it's all good in the hood.
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11-06-2011, 03:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Wondernerd
Did you know there is an exploit in Safari that will give an iOS device a virus?
And there is a virus scanner in the Appstore.
"no known virus for iOS"
Want to know the difference between the two? Android actually needs an antivirus, iOS has morons using it that can be tricked into buying it. Not everyone on iOS is an idiot.
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#23
11-06-2011, 05:28 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
Once you trim the fat from the carrier's image, it's all good in the hood.
Simply untrue
Even on a heavily stripped, heavily undervolted ROM my phone would really only last me through a typical day (4:30am to midnight) with minimal use.
under the same conditions my iphone goes two days.
heavy use -- forget it, I needed a charger for my android phone for that day.
#24
11-06-2011, 05:34 AM
valve1138 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.8 Years Status:
Just the fact that you have to know how to tweak your Android phone to that level means there are millions of people with shittastic phones out there. lulz
#25
11-06-2011, 05:54 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by valve1138
Just the fact that you have to know how to tweak your Android phone to that level means there are millions of people with shittastic phones out there. lulz
I think that is the worst part of android
my friends will ask me what phone they should get -- I tell them an iphone because a) theyre retarded, b) it will just work with no bullshit
They come home with an android phone because the sales rep talked them into it because it is so much better (OMG LOOK AT MY 5" SCREEN CLEARLY MY PHONE IS SUPERIOR) -- a week later they're asking me to "fix" their phone because they heard you can "do things" to it to remove all the junk on it and make the battery life last longer than 6 hours.
What a fucking annoyance.
I still love you android.. but shit.
#26
11-06-2011, 06:12 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
Simply untrue
Even on a heavily stripped, heavily undervolted ROM my phone would really only last me through a typical day (4:30am to midnight) with minimal use.
under the same conditions my iphone goes two days.
heavy use -- forget it, I needed a charger for my android phone for that day.
Then you have a problematic app that needs to be replaced.
I get about two days from my phone with regular usage. Check GPS apps in particular, they're battery rapers and many of them won't shut the fuck off unless you specifically tell them to stop.
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11-06-2011, 06:18 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
Then you have a problematic app that needs to be replaced.
I get about two days from my phone with regular usage. Check GPS apps in particular, they're battery rapers and many of them won't shut the fuck off unless you specifically tell them to stop.
I got to the point where I used no apps what so ever.
A clean fresh install with gps off (not that it mattered, gps on the fascinate just didnt work ever)
#28
11-06-2011, 06:18 AM
compslckr [H]ardForum Junkie, 9.7 Years Status:
All the tweaking that it takes to make the damn thing usable is what kills me about Android. Sure its cool that you have full control over the device, but to be honest I just want something that works (*cough iPhone).
There are some really pretty widgets for Android, and I like being able to customize the home screen to look nice; but there are just too many options... I mean come on, its a freaking phone. I don't need to be able to change every single icon, status indicator, notification sound and detail.
I just ordered a used iPhone4 to use as my primary phone. I will keep the SGS2 for now to play with, but I just can't justify using it as my main phone. Too much tweaking and hassle.
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11-06-2011, 06:20 AM
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Well I can't complain much about my Droid X, after a rom and launcher change it's been great, I'm typing on it now actually.
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#30
11-06-2011, 07:16 AM
valve1138 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by compslckr
All the tweaking that it takes to make the damn thing usable is what kills me about Android. Sure its cool that you have full control over the device, but to be honest I just want something that works (*cough iPhone).
Yeah I agree, and it's exactly why I have an iPhone. I need my phone to work with no bullshit.
I love fiddling with things, but my phone isn't one of them.
An Android phone might be neat to fuck with, but I don't see buying one just to muck around.
I was looking at the new Kindle Fire, no SD slot on the Fire along with limited memory killed that for me too though. Disappointing really ont hat.
#31
11-06-2011, 07:22 AM
Ur_Mom [H]ardness Supreme, 5.8 Years Status:
I've used iPhone, Android and Windows Phone 7 (and the shit that was 2003-6.1). I absolutely loved Android. It was so open, rooted and easy to do anything. Then, I upgraded to a Windows Phone. Upgraded is a great word. The Android would freeze, crash, lock up, go slow... Not all the time, mind you, just more frequent than I would like. The iPhone would freeze occasionally, but not very often. The Windows Phone has locked up ZERO times. It has never lagged. It has never crashed. There has been absolutely nothing wrong with it. Lack of apps, not as open as Android, and not much support is what is the downfall.
I love Android, though. It is a great OS. I like it MUCH better than iOS for a lot of reasons. But, I prefer WP7 big time.
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#32
11-06-2011, 07:41 AM
MikeTrike [H]ard|Gawd, 6.2 Years Status:
If all the manufacturers would stop adding their own bullshit "flair" to Android, and keep it up to date. There would be hardly as many complaint's against the Android platform. However as a result of it being "open," manufacturers are free to fuck it up as well.
I went through three android phones before I got my Nexus S 4G and I now have no problems. Because this is the type of phone that Google intended it to be. Simple, stable and not expensive as fuck.
The new one looks fantastic as well.
http://www.google.com/nexus/
All other manufacturers like HTC can suck a dick, not keeping their devices up to date. Putting shitty overlays that slow it the fuck down. Poorly coding that overlay shit they must do. They are also fragmenting the fuck out of the platform because they do that crap.
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11-06-2011, 07:56 AM
GotNoRice [H]ardness Supreme, 10.6 Years Status:
I'm not a fan of bundled apps but what people seem to forget is that those bundled apps are subsidizing the cost of the phone. It's not a choice between bundled apps or no bundled apps, it's a choice between bundled apps and your phone costing $100+ extra dollars. Say what you want but the market obviously prefers cheaper phones. The iPhone comes with plenty of bundled crap also, apple crap, so that you stay trapped within their bubble of fail.
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11-06-2011, 08:08 AM
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11-06-2011, 08:10 AM
valve1138 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.8 Years Status:
Yeah, I really hate those bundled apple apps, they fuck shit up. Like the calculator, and iBooks, and the weather app.
Don't get me started about the notes app.
Total bubble of fail. TOTAL!!!
#36
11-06-2011, 08:16 AM
Archer1212 [H]ardness Supreme, 7.6 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by valve1138
Yeah, I really hate those bundled apple apps, they fuck shit up. Like the calculator, and iBooks, and the weather app.
Don't get me started about the notes app.
Total bubble of fail. TOTAL!!!
iBooks is optional :P, and honestly the only pre-installed app I dont like on my iPhone is newstand. There are a few I rarely/never use but I at least know tons of others use them.
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#37
11-06-2011, 08:41 AM
0mega [H]ardness Supreme, 6.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
Simply untrue
Even on a heavily stripped, heavily undervolted ROM my phone would really only last me through a typical day (4:30am to midnight) with minimal use.
under the same conditions my iphone goes two days.
heavy use -- forget it, I needed a charger for my android phone for that day.
The iPhone's battery life (Well, the iPhone 4 is the only one I can personally vouch for) is definitely better than an androids, but I can't have this post stand on it's own with a little personal input, having had SEVERAL android phones go against this, with less work
To start, I'm an incredibly heavy user. At least 100 texts a day, I never really count. Minimum 1.5-2hrs of music (Today will be 2.5 plus whatever I have it on at work for, PLUS bluetooth. ) Some web browsing, Little gaming (The impossible game ) and probably a video on youtube or two if I get a subscription notice. Who knows how many calls.
Far more than a typical android user, and more than some of the hardcore on XDA apparently describe as "Heavy use"
On my current Galaxy S 2, No undervolting, infact, having it overclocked with a custom kernel, Battery life improved simply by using setCPU's more intelligent scaling. Now, Undervolting helped me push it even further, but I prefer the incredible stability the phone has stock. Less crashed than my iPhone 4 had (And those were rare enough. ) This would get me well through the day (11 - 11 or 7-7 typically. ) and either die minutes from home, or go on the charger and be done. Typical "UC+UV" Scenario for me was 50-75mv off peak, and scaling from 200-800mhz instead of 1.6ghz
On my previous Galaxy S, the same could be said. The phone could easily make it the day, although I had to baby it a little more than the SGS2. Gaming was a no no undervolting would have been nice, but wasn't even close to stable. And I had a version that simply didn't like custom roms. (Stupid Telus. )
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#38
11-06-2011, 08:41 AM
Sgraffite [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Do Windows phones come with tethering like Android does?
#39
11-06-2011, 08:58 AM
bmartin 2[H]4U, 8.0 Years Status:
While I agree that most of the new android phones come with random bloat, I am happy to know that I don't have to install iTunes to get it to sync. They all have their ups and downs.
I use a 4s for work, and miss the functionality of my android. I feel like since I upgraded to the new iOS, the phone has become less responsive, and now I am finding that about 20-30% of my calls the caller can not hear me.
I would gladly prefer to see an antivirus on my market than to hear constant call drops and install an app on my machine that "iDespise".
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11-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
The most annoying thing I've found recently that I just started paying attention to.. is that the most simple free apps require a crapton of permissions. A live wallpaper asked me for complete access to my internet history and anything I browse? seriously?
The advantage iOS has is that they assume that the average consumer is not gonna read those warnings, so they do not allow it in the first place.
The way iOS apps ask for permission is really simple......you open the app, and it asks you for location, you either say yes or no... regardless of what you answer you can still use the app.
I've never seen an iOS app ask for full access to the phone part, or internet history and stuff like that.
Also, ads are annoying......REALLY annoying, one live wallpaper I installed started displaying full page ads.
The market model needs to be revamped, period. Even if it means closing it up a little, it will benefit most consumers.
Quote: Originally Posted by bmartin
While I agree that most of the new android phones come with random bloat, I am happy to know that I don't have to install iTunes to get it to sync. They all have their ups and downs.
I use a 4s for work, and miss the functionality of my android. I feel like since I upgraded to the new iOS, the phone has become less responsive, and now I am finding that about 20-30% of my calls the caller can not hear me.
I would gladly prefer to see an antivirus on my market than to hear constant call drops and install an app on my machine that "iDespise".
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#41
11-06-2011, 09:09 AM
Rabid Badger 2[H]4U, 5.9 Years Status:
So is the OP claiming that iOS is inherently more secure than Android? Or is he blaming Android for the apps that the carriers decided to install on the phone? Not that either argument is valid, I was just curious.
iOS is great for people that need constant hand-holding. I prefer to do what I want with my hardware, not what I'm allowed to do by the manufacturer.
#42
11-06-2011, 09:12 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by bmartin
While I agree that most of the new android phones come with random bloat, I am happy to know that I don't have to install iTunes to get it to sync. They all have their ups and downs.
I use a 4s for work, and miss the functionality of my android. I feel like since I upgraded to the new iOS, the phone has become less responsive, and now I am finding that about 20-30% of my calls the caller can not hear me.
I would gladly prefer to see an antivirus on my market than to hear constant call drops and install an app on my machine that "iDespise".
I fucking hate itunes on windows as much as the next guy, but the itunes sync argument is rather moot now, isn't it? All my shit syncs up over the "icloud" without issue.. much like google syncs up your shit (they just dont have a magical name for it )
#43
11-06-2011, 09:35 AM
odoe Administrator, 10.3 Years Status:
Android is just plain clunky. Could be the hardware of various phones, but it can just be slow as shit too. Don't get me wrong, iOS can run like shit sometimes too. I've had weird stuff like screens not closing right away, random crashes of apps (let's give the OS the benefit of the doubt and blame app dev). But I have a Captivate as well and if I had to use it as my everyday phone, I'd pull my hair out. Run app updates will usually fail with no explanation. I've been able to use a WP7 a couple of times for training and t was really nice. WP7 will probably be my next purchase to get all 3 OS's in the house.
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#44
11-06-2011, 09:47 AM
valve1138 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Rabid Badger
iOS is great for people that need constant hand-holding.
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#45
11-06-2011, 09:52 AM
Ur_Mom [H]ardness Supreme, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Sgraffite
Do Windows phones come with tethering like Android does?
No.
But, like someone else mentioned, Android is more open for multiple devices, etc.. With Windows Phone, it's standardized. The transition to Mango went very well because the devices were all similar in hardware specs (minimum, anyway) and the updates were spread across all devices, not just certain ones. That's a big plus. If it says Windows Phone, it will work.
Android is like older Windows. Requires Android 2.2 or 1.6 or 3.0, etc. It's TOO granular and open for many things.
WP7 and iOS are great in that they aren't as open. This can be a positive (in relation to updates, functionality, etc. - you pick up a device and you know how it works, regardless of the brand or carrier) or a negative (can't do as much, no custom ROM's - which was and is a HUGE thing with Android. I love CM7 and run it on my Nook Color).
I'm happy with my WP7 for phone calls, and very happy with my Nook Color running Android. Best of both worlds. Until Windows 8 comes out (That was only my opinion, as I'm a 'softie at heart, not open for flamebait. It's not released in RTM, so anything said is opinion only and not fact. Except for the few real 'softies we have on the forum... Jealous!)
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#46
11-06-2011, 09:55 AM
OEM [H] Jet Saver, 6.7 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Rabid Badger
iOS is great for people that need a phone to work without having to use different ROMs.
I'm pretty sure that's what you meant.
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#47
11-06-2011, 04:36 PM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
I got to the point where I used no apps what so ever.
A clean fresh install with gps off (not that it mattered, gps on the fascinate just didnt work ever)
There's still apps. Every function is a separate app whether it's the phone dialer, address book, messaging, web, etc etc.
Some phones also require specially tweaked OSs/apps for best performance. This is why it's better to strip down/tweak a stock ROM. I'm using an Optimus M running 2.2.0 Froyo, stripped all the metroPCS bullshit from it as well as some Android components as well. It runs like the fucking wind. Only time it's slow is if a slow app is being used (Kindle....).
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#48
11-06-2011, 04:45 PM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
There's still apps. Every function is a separate app whether it's the phone dialer, address book, messaging, web, etc etc.
Some phones also require specially tweaked OSs/apps for best performance. This is why it's better to strip down/tweak a stock ROM. I'm using an Optimus M running 2.2.0 Froyo, stripped all the metroPCS bullshit from it as well as some Android components as well. It runs like the fucking wind. Only time it's slow is if a slow app is being used (Kindle....).
right, because I hadn't tried every single rom available for my phone
not a single one, even with massive undervolting, made it a full day.
android is simply far inferior in terms of battery life
#49
11-06-2011, 04:48 PM
valve1138 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.8 Years Status:
ROM's?
What is this? 1985?
#50
11-06-2011, 05:04 PM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
The fundamental problem with Android when it comes to mass market penetration is that none of the phones work the same.
True, this is a strength for geeks - I love being able to design my own interface. But the problem is, Android is really actually unusable without serious tweaks. My grandma and grandpa got android phones a while ago (Droid X and Charge) and there is literally no commonality between them. If my grandma doesn't know how to do something on hers, my grandpa can't help her because the stupid skins are so different.
But on the other hand, how can we blame the manufacturers for skinning it? Look at the stock calendar app - it's fucking embarrassing. Same for the stock dialer. My grandpa was coming from blackberry and had to install custom calendar, custom dialer, custom task list, etc, just to get equivalent functionality.
I'm hoping Ice Cream Sandwich fixes this. The option to design your own interface via different launches is great, but ONLY if a 100% fully competent stock experience is there for non-technical users.
Otherwise, it's just a nightmare. I can't even troubleshoot their issues over the phone because my DINC is completely different from the Charge which is completely different from the Droid X. It blows.
Not to mention that I'm starting to wish for a culled and moderated marketplace. My girlfriends phone literally just got nearly bricked because of xapush spyware. Sure, you can say "don't install random apps on your damn phone!" but that's a pointless argument. People install random apps on their phone. In fact, most people install random apps on their phone. And if you ever want to get laid by someone with a vagina, you will be in a relationship with someone that installs random apps on her phone. It's a pain in the fucking ass that cost me my entire weekend trying to remove xapush and then wiping the phone, dalvik cache, etc, custom recovery, and 9 different boot loaders just to fix.
So shoot me, I'd like a moderated market. Not as draconian as apple, but at least take the fucking spyware out of it.
My next phone is the Galaxy Nexus. If that doesn't live up to my expectations, I'll be switching to Apple. I really hope I don't have to.
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#51
11-06-2011, 05:17 PM
ComputerBox34 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.3 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
The fundamental problem with Android when it comes to mass market penetration is that none of the phones work the same.
True, this is a strength for geeks - I love being able to design my own interface. But the problem is, Android is really actually unusable without serious tweaks. My grandma and grandpa got android phones a while ago (Droid X and Charge) and there is literally no commonality between them. If my grandma doesn't know how to do something on hers, my grandpa can't help her because the stupid skins are so different.
But on the other hand, how can we blame the manufacturers for skinning it? Look at the stock calendar app - it's fucking embarrassing. Same for the stock dialer. My grandpa was coming from blackberry and had to install custom calendar, custom dialer, custom task list, etc, just to get equivalent functionality.
I'm hoping Ice Cream Sandwich fixes this. The option to design your own interface via different launches is great, but ONLY if a 100% fully competent stock experience is there for non-technical users.
Otherwise, it's just a nightmare. I can't even troubleshoot their issues over the phone because my DINC is completely different from the Charge which is completely different from the Droid X. It blows.
Not to mention that I'm starting to wish for a culled and moderated marketplace. My girlfriends phone literally just got nearly bricked because of xapush spyware. Sure, you can say "don't install random apps on your damn phone!" but that's a pointless argument. People install random apps on their phone. In fact, most people install random apps on their phone. And if you ever want to get laid by someone with a vagina, you will be in a relationship with someone that installs random apps on her phone. It's a pain in the fucking ass that cost me my entire weekend trying to remove xapush and then wiping the phone, dalvik cache, etc, custom recovery, and 9 different boot loaders just to fix.
So shoot me, I'd like a moderated market. Not as draconian as apple, but at least take the fucking spyware out of it.
My next phone is the Galaxy Nexus. If that doesn't live up to my expectations, I'll be switching to Apple. I really hope I don't have to.
What's wrong with the stock google calendar app? I always thought it was pretty good and does everything I need it to do.
One way to get rid of that app is to report it to google. They are usually pretty quick in taking that shit down. I'm surprised there weren't any reviews that slammed the app for being spyware
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#52
11-06-2011, 05:29 PM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by ComputerBox34
What's wrong with the stock google calendar app? I always thought it was pretty good and does everything I need it to do.
One way to get rid of that app is to report it to google. They are usually pretty quick in taking that shit down. I'm surprised there weren't any reviews that slammed the app for being spyware
What phone do you have? You can't be talking about the basic google calendar....the HTC Sense one is decent and the Motoblur and TouchWiz ones are better, but the stock Google one has virtually no functionality. Horrible alarm and reminder settings, etc.
xapush is implemented into hundreds of apps. It's spyware that developers insert into their apps to make more money. It sinks its teeth into your phone and delivers adds directly to your notification area. It would take me weeks to report them all to google.
The fact that there are specific "xapush detector" apps and that I now believe we need anti-malware and anti-virus apps on Android is telling. Google needs to get on the ball immediately.
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#53
11-06-2011, 06:27 PM
ComputerBox34 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.3 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
What phone do you have? You can't be talking about the basic google calendar....the HTC Sense one is decent and the Motoblur and TouchWiz ones are better, but the stock Google one has virtually no functionality. Horrible alarm and reminder settings, etc.
xapush is implemented into hundreds of apps. It's spyware that developers insert into their apps to make more money. It sinks its teeth into your phone and delivers adds directly to your notification area. It would take me weeks to report them all to google.
The fact that there are specific "xapush detector" apps and that I now believe we need anti-malware and anti-virus apps on Android is telling. Google needs to get on the ball immediately.
Moto Bionic, running Liberty rom. Set my reminders in G Calendar, they pop up on my phone, like magic. Can also set them within the app, add events, look at all of my calendars associated with my account, etc.
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#54
11-06-2011, 07:23 PM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
right, because I hadn't tried every single rom available for my phone
not a single one, even with massive undervolting, made it a full day.
android is simply far inferior in terms of battery life
3rd party or non phone specific stock roms....you did it wrong. This is why people dog open source, people over-engineer their "solutions". Undervolting? Really...you know better than this, and you damn well know it. Reduce load and consumption goes down, allowing the phone to throttle on it's own accord.
....seriously, apply laptop/netbook power saving concepts and it'll make sense. Stop fucking around with extreme measures until the basics are handled....you'll find the advanced shit is just that anyways, shit.
Use the tools within the phone to find out what's using all your battery and start there...it's going to be a specific app. About phone, battery use....start there. If it's all being ate up on standby, then it's the phone.
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#55
11-06-2011, 07:23 PM
OEM [H] Jet Saver, 6.7 Years Status:
I love this thread!
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#56
11-06-2011, 07:26 PM
Team Obi Juan Your Local Postmaster, 6.4 Years Status:
How easy is it to facetime iOS and Android to each other?
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#57
11-06-2011, 07:28 PM
0mega [H]ardness Supreme, 6.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
3rd party or non phone specific stock roms....you did it wrong. This is why people dog open source, people over-engineer their "solutions". Undervolting? Really...you know better than this, and you damn well know it. Reduce load and consumption goes down, allowing the phone to throttle on it's own accord.
....seriously, apply laptop/netbook power saving concepts and it'll make sense. Stop fucking around with extreme measures until the basics are handled....you'll find the advanced shit is just that anyways, shit.
Use the tools within the phone to find out what's using all your battery and start there...it's going to be a specific app. About phone, battery use....start there. If it's all being ate up on standby, then it's the phone.
The verizon fascinate is trash. Like, deserved to go right in the garbage trash. not enough ram, poooooooor stock software, not enough developers in the third party because it was different than the other galaxies...
Even the Epic did better. And it sucked.
So no, I think he's right in hating on that thing.
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#58
11-06-2011, 07:28 PM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
3rd party or non phone specific stock roms....you did it wrong. This is why people dog open source, people over-engineer their "solutions". Undervolting? Really...you know better than this, and you damn well know it. Reduce load and consumption goes down, allowing the phone to throttle on it's own accord.
....seriously, apply laptop/netbook power saving concepts and it'll make sense. Stop fucking around with extreme measures until the basics are handled....you'll find the advanced shit is just that anyways, shit.
3rd party or non specific roms? What the fuck are you talking about?
I've donned every available rom for my phone -- based on stock touchwiz, aosp froyo, aosp gingerbread, whatever. They've all had shit for battery life.
Undervolting extended the life by nearly double -- and it was still shit.
What are you even saying to do? Lower my brightness to 0? Turn off bluetooth wifi gps and everything else? Put the thing in airplane mode until I have to call someone?
#59
11-06-2011, 07:28 PM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
3rd party or non phone specific stock roms....you did it wrong. This is why people dog open source, people over-engineer their "solutions". Undervolting? Really...you know better than this, and you damn well know it. Reduce load and consumption goes down, allowing the phone to throttle on it's own accord.
....seriously, apply laptop/netbook power saving concepts and it'll make sense. Stop fucking around with extreme measures until the basics are handled....you'll find the advanced shit is just that anyways, shit.
Use the tools within the phone to find out what's using all your battery and start there...it's going to be a specific app. About phone, battery use....start there. If it's all being ate up on standby, then it's the phone.
Wut?
Seriously, what are you trying to say? That 3rd party ROM's are bad? Newsflash - they are the only way to make Android usable.
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#60
11-06-2011, 07:28 PM
ComputerBox34 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.3 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Team Obi Juan
How easy is it to facetime iOS and Android to each other?
You need a 3rd party app. Facetime is exclusive to iOS devices. GTalk is exclusive to android devices but a full app by google might be released soon on iOS. (There are 3rd party alternatives IIRC) For now, you have to use Skype, Oovoo, or some other video chat app if you want video chat between the two different OS'
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#61
11-06-2011, 07:29 PM
0mega [H]ardness Supreme, 6.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
Wut?
Seriously, what are you trying to say? That 3rd party ROM's are bad? Newsflash - they are the only way to make Android usable.
False, Samsung Touchwiz on the new SGS2 is actually awesome, but it's more of a ninja skin now.
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#62
11-06-2011, 07:30 PM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
3rd party or non specific roms? What the fuck are you talking about?
I've donned every available rom for my phone -- based on stock touchwiz, aosp froyo, aosp gingerbread, whatever. They've all had shit for battery life.
Undervolting extended the life by nearly double -- and it was still shit.
What are you even saying to do? Lower my brightness to 0? Turn off bluetooth wifi gps and everything else? Put the thing in airplane mode until I have to call someone?
Battery life is the one thing I don't have a problem with. 1 day heavy usage, 1.5 days without. I bought a 1500ma HTC touch pro battery to replace the 1250 one in my phone. With CM7 and stock kernel I get great battery lie on my incredible.
Mustang Steve is talking out of his ass obviously - with the stock Verizon kernel and ROM I got about six hours battery life. Yes, six. I over doubled it by changing ROM's.
Now if you want to talk about force closes and google voice taking 1.5 days to deliver texts most of the time, then Im with you all the way.
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#63
11-06-2011, 07:31 PM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by 0mega
False, Samsung Touchwiz on the new SGS2 is actually awesome, but it's more of a ninja skin now.
Does it run touchwiz 4.0?
The touchwiz that was released onto the galaxy tab was pretty bomb -- greatly increased the functionality of the device. That is for another thread, though.
#64
11-06-2011, 07:31 PM
Ur_Mom [H]ardness Supreme, 5.8 Years Status:
The way I look at it is this way: People use phones/smartphones differently. The way I use my WP7 is far different than the way my wife uses her iPhone. For her, iOS is perfect. Everything is there, does what she wants and she isn't a power user that wants power apps. She uses the simple apps. I use Google Reader, Dropbox, GPS programs, Remote Access, etc. type of stuff. WP7 works good with a lot of that. Android has more options, but seems to be less stable than WP7. I prefer a more stable, fast OS for my phone. She just requires something that works. Hell, she was happy with her old Palm WebOS phone for texting and crap. Now, she loves Facebook and Google+ on her iPhone, along with her Lady Gaga library...
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#65
11-06-2011, 07:32 PM
Archer1212 [H]ardness Supreme, 7.6 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Team Obi Juan
How easy is it to facetime iOS and Android to each other?
Yeah, just what ComputerBox34 said. Better off using skype if you know someone with a front facing camera on their android phone.
Quote: Originally Posted by OEM
I love this thread!
I am linking this as well. Plenty of healthy but heavy discussions going on here.
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#66
11-06-2011, 07:38 PM
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Judging a phone OS based on a 3rd party app available in the app store. ROFL
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#67
11-06-2011, 07:50 PM
Bomo Limp Gawd, 1.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by German Muscle
Judging a phone OS based on a 3rd party app available in the app store. ROFL
This. Seriously, they're both great platforms, if you don't like one then use the other. The end.
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#68
11-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by German Muscle
Judging a phone OS based on a 3rd party app available in the app store. ROFL
Again, the problem is not the app, its the increased risk of the OS on getting malware.
Yes, maybe everyone here in a computer forum will know better on what not to click. But just like nobody reads EULA's, a lot of people won't read permission stuff or use "computer common sense" in a phone. And I don't blame them. Why? because its a goddamned phone. Nobody relates viruses or spyware with phones. At least not the average consumer.
Good thing I made you laugh so hard you were rolling on the floor though.
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#69
11-06-2011, 08:06 PM
Team Obi Juan Your Local Postmaster, 6.4 Years Status:
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#70
11-06-2011, 08:11 PM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Team Obi Juan
Andrew_e1 is about to pull his most aggravating thread lock of all time.
That was the plan all along.
no but seriously, there are some good and bad points. Just try to avoid fanboyism.
All in all, I think android would be more enjoyable if google would close it up a little. Or at least limit manufacturers on what they can install or preinstall.
Or at the very least, have an easy option of getting a vanilla "OEM" style version of android on your phone. I'm seriously enjoying my xperia play, but there's so much stuff going on at the same time which is cool in the "computer in the pocket" side of things. But not as a phone, or PDA.
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#71
11-06-2011, 08:12 PM
German Muscle 2[H]4U, 6.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Andrew_e1
Again, the problem is not the app, its the increased risk of the OS on getting malware.
Yes, maybe everyone here in a computer forum will know better on what not to click. But just like nobody reads EULA's, a lot of people won't read permission stuff or use "computer common sense" in a phone. And I don't blame them. Why? because its a goddamned phone. Nobody relates viruses or spyware with phones. At least not the average consumer.
Good thing I made you laugh so hard you were rolling on the floor though.
so because there is a 3rd party app on the market means that the OS has an increased risk of getting malware? I think ill make a Anti Self Destruct app and put it on the iphone market. Your chances of getting malware on a android is about the same as getting one on ios.
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#72
11-06-2011, 08:13 PM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by German Muscle
so because there is a 3rd party app on the market means that the OS has an increased risk of getting malware? I think ill make a Anti Self Destruct app and put it on the iphone market. Your chances of getting malware on a android is about the same as getting one on ios.
I wouldn't say that is entirely true
and it would really depend on what you define as malware
android's market is pretty damn open (which I consider to be fucking awesome), while you need to go through a nazi boot camp to get your shit published on iOS...
#73
11-06-2011, 08:13 PM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by German Muscle
so because there is a 3rd party app on the market means that the OS has an increased risk of getting malware? I think ill make a Anti Self Destruct app and put it on the iphone market. Your chances of getting malware on a android is about the same as getting one on ios.
Problem with your statement is your app wouldn't make it onto the iPhone market. The chances are not equal at all. Google xapush alone - thousands of android users have gotten it. Good luck finding even 100 iPhone users infected with something similar.
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#74
11-06-2011, 08:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
Problem with your statement is your app wouldn't make it onto the iPhone market. The chances are not equal at all. Google xapush alone - thousands of android users have gotten it. Good luck finding even 100 iPhone users infected with something similar.
sounds like an epidemic.... Ive never ran AV on my phone. Its retarded.
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#75
11-06-2011, 08:16 PM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by German Muscle
so because there is a 3rd party app on the market means that the OS has an increased risk of getting malware? I think ill make a Anti Self Destruct app and put it on the iphone market. Your chances of getting malware on a android is about the same as getting one on ios.
Now thats something worth rolling on the floor laughing about...
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#76
11-06-2011, 08:16 PM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by 0mega
False, Samsung Touchwiz on the new SGS2 is actually awesome, but it's more of a ninja skin now.
Cool, glad to hear that several years after the OS came out the overlay on a single phone on a single carrier works as a "ninja skin."
See my point? I wasn't even talking about touchwiz, but rather the fact that with stock roms the performance is always slower, the battery life is worse, carrier bloatware is installed, and they lack features.
Don't even bother arguing the point, just go over to XDA.
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#77
11-06-2011, 08:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
android is simply far inferior in terms of battery life
If I remember correctly the phone you said you had was fairly shittastic on battery life regardless of the OS it ran. I mean... We're all geeks here. Who would know better than us that hardware that isn't optimized and is running on battery will kill said battery. Think about it... i7 laptop vs. Bulldozer laptop... The Bulldozer would destroy that battery with the power it's drawing.
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#78
11-06-2011, 08:38 PM
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I don't know, guess I've been lucky. I've been on Android since my HTC Eris a couple years ago. Never rooted it, never tried any custom ROM's and never had any issues. Phone always worked fine.
Got a Thunderbolt now and its the best phone I've ever had. I like it better than my wife's iPhone 4S. And again, no rooting or ROM's yet it works perfectly.
Now the battery life is just awful. I could barely get half a day out of a charge. Bought the extended battery for $25 and now I get a full day and have yet to go below half a charge on the meter. But it is ridiculous that you have to either buy an extended battery or have 6 chargers around the house and car. Other than that, I love Android and my next phone will be Android as well.
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#79
11-06-2011, 08:43 PM
Huan [H]ard|Gawd, 10.3 Years Status:
So far, i'm enjoying my Iphone 4.. I'm grandfathered in on unlimited, but if I were to have to pay 30 a month for just 2 gigs, i'd probably just put it down and go old school.. Technology is great, but money is better :-)
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11-06-2011, 08:44 PM
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Obviously no one uses Symbian around here, I use a Nokia E6 along with my Desire Z. 2 days battery on the Nokia, one from the DZ, even with a MugenPower battery.
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I prefer itunes as an all in one stop that syncs everything, compared to the backup and restore instructions for android. I decided to wipe the phone because the instructions for backup before rooting were a pain. Also, 20-30% calls where the caller cannot hear you? sounds like a defective phone, I would take it to the apple store and get an exchange (they usually swap phone without asking too many questions).
It also boggles my mind that people keep complaining about itunes being heavy and whatnot......I mean sure 5 years ago maybe...but right now? Even my atom htpc runs it without a problem.
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#81
11-06-2011, 09:01 PM
Bomo Limp Gawd, 1.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by TechHead
Obviously no one uses Symbian around here, I use a Nokia E6 along with my Desire Z. 2 days battery on the Nokia, one from the DZ, even with a MugenPower battery.
Symbian is essentially dead. Probably why no one uses it.
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#82
11-06-2011, 09:15 PM
0mega [H]ardness Supreme, 6.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
Cool, glad to hear that several years after the OS came out the overlay on a single phone on a single carrier works as a "ninja skin."
See my point? I wasn't even talking about touchwiz, but rather the fact that with stock roms the performance is always slower, the battery life is worse, carrier bloatware is installed, and they lack features.
Don't even bother arguing the point, just go over to XDA.
I'll argue the point until I'm blue in the face, because put simply, Touchwiz is worth keeping on there for what it offers. Sense, Motoblur, and every other skin can go DIAF, but the newest touchwiz incarnations are brilliant. They add feature and functionality to what android already offers (Easy contact linking, as an example. ) but don't add bloat.
Also, stupid fast.
[edit] Also, i've ported over Cyanogen to a phone because I wanted it, and was part of the effort to root the Sensation/Evo3D. I've done plenty at XDA.
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#83
11-06-2011, 09:41 PM
TechHead Moderator, 10.3 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Bomo
Symbian is essentially dead. Probably why no one uses it.
Support till 2016, Belle and future updates coming for the current phones, no need for dual core CPUs to get decent performance..Symbiianis still a very viable mobile OS.
#84
11-06-2011, 09:46 PM
Bowhuntr11 [H]ardness Supreme, 5.4 Years Status:
I love Android, and last year I bought my wife an Android phone (Samsung Epic, which I told her to get an Evo though instead)...and she always kinda argued about certain things, and how she can't wait to go back to the iPhone...The Samsung Epic did suck...Thank god I got the Evo
Then she got the iPhone 4...(I was like finally I can stop hearing about it)...and 3 days later she took the iPhone back and got the SGS2 and she hasn't had a complaint about it yet...Really suprised me.
It is a software style that grows on you, if you like playing on the phone...and making it look like you want it to look. If all you care about is a phone in your pocket, then yeah iOS is for you (IMO).
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#85
11-06-2011, 10:02 PM
Lunas [H]ardness Supreme, 10.6 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Archer1212
battery life is also shit compared to iOS too
depends i hear some things about the 4s and out the door it having some issue with it's battery... something like constant syncing causing the battery life somewhere in line with my droid incredible of less than 12 hours i think my best time on my phone was 19 hours of use... tromps my ipod touch by about 4 hours...
also to the op ehh that is just avg capitalizing off the 1 virus that was written for it... did you know ios has some too the only reason you dont have to worry about ios is because apple has it synched down so tight yet there are still virus you have to almost purposely put them on but the same can be said of android...
the android market had the malware on it for all of about 12 hours before google pulled it from the phones it was installed on and removed it from the market...
im not worried about getting a virus if your rooted and an active member of the community you will have a patch on your phone before you hear of a security hole to have something through. How many virus are on linux how fast do those propagate and how fast are those holes shut?...
also as of this moment android 2.3.4+ is not vulnerable to being infected by all of the 2 virus that have been created for android.
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#86
11-06-2011, 10:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by TechHead
Support till 2016, Belle and future updates coming for the current phones, no need for dual core CPUs to get decent performance..Symbiianis still a very viable mobile OS.
Support for current phones does not equate to a viable mobile OS, especially when looking to the future. When Symbian's largest hardware supporter dropped it for Windows Phone 7, it essentially died. Especially in the US.
Are there any new phones coming out with Symbian on it? N9 was the last one I knew of, and while it was gorgeous, there really is no reason to use Symbian right now. The other three eco systems are at least going to grow, while Symbian, at best, will stagnate.
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#87
11-06-2011, 10:08 PM
Blue Fox [H]ardForum Junkie, 7.7 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by TechHead
Obviously no one uses Symbian around here, I use a Nokia E6 along with my Desire Z. 2 days battery on the Nokia, one from the DZ, even with a MugenPower battery.
Symbian is still pretty decent. Have an E7 at home and I really like the hardware on it. My personal phone until a couple days ago was also a Desire Z, but I just got an N9. Nokia really went all out on this thing...I think it's great. Oh the things I would have done to get an N950 though.
Quote: Originally Posted by Bomo
Are there any new phones coming out with Symbian on it? N9 was the last one I knew of, and while it was gorgeous, there really is no reason to use Symbian right now. The other three eco systems are at least going to grow, while Symbian, at best, will stagnate.
The N9 does not run Symbian. Nokia has released plenty more Symbian phones recently actually. You'd be hard pressed to recognize the newer versions of it (that is Symbian Belle).
#88
11-06-2011, 10:33 PM
Bomo Limp Gawd, 1.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Blue Fox
Symbian is still pretty decent. Have an E7 at home and I really like the hardware on it. My personal phone until a couple days ago was also a Desire Z, but I just got an N9. Nokia really went all out on this thing...I think it's great. Oh the things I would have done to get an N950 though.
The N9 does not run Symbian. Nokia has released plenty more Symbian phones recently actually. You'd be hard pressed to recognize the newer versions of it (that is Symbian Belle).
Sorry, confused the other dead OS (MeeGo) with symbian on the N9.
But to argue that Symbian isn't dead (or at the very least, barely alive) just seems really naive. Symbian is dead, or at least dying. The larget phone manufacturer for it will no longer be shipping Symbian phones to the U.S. I honestly don't see Accenture making it all the sudden relevant again, if Nokia couldn't do it. I don't understand why you'd buy into that eco system now, just to have to jump ship sooner or later.
Nokia is on pretty rocky waters as it is, with Weber stating that Windows Phone 7 is essentially their last mobile OS.
Don't get me wrong, if you think Symbian is at all useful in America, I can promise it's WAY bigger in Japan. Docomo still uses it on the majority of its phones.
But if I lived in the states, I would definitely not buy a symbian phone. The devs are jumping ship already, since the future of it is only going until 2016. I'd rather get into an already thriving eco system (iOS or Android) or a very promising one (WP7).
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#89
11-06-2011, 10:50 PM
TechHead Moderator, 10.3 Years Status:
I don't live in the States :P. Anyway, I find Symbian works well for me, good battery life and features at decent price points. I agree with Blue Fox though, would probably sell a kidney for the N950
#90
11-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Blue Fox [H]ardForum Junkie, 7.7 Years Status:
It's a shame really. I find Meego to be far better than Android. Elop really screwed up there...honestly though, any worthwhile program is available on pretty much all platforms in some form or another.
#91
11-06-2011, 10:58 PM
MavericK96 [H]ardness Supreme, 7.4 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
Simply untrue
Even on a heavily stripped, heavily undervolted ROM my phone would really only last me through a typical day (4:30am to midnight) with minimal use.
under the same conditions my iphone goes two days.
heavy use -- forget it, I needed a charger for my android phone for that day.
Maybe you had a bum phone, but we had the exact same phone and I've never had a problem with battery life. With light use at the end of the day I am generally sitting around 60-70%, and with heavy use it's more like 25-30%. I've never actually run out of battery before a day was finished.
Actually just made this post on the phone and it's at 55% at 11 PM having been off-charger all day.
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#92
11-07-2011, 12:13 AM
mobusta1 [H]ard|Gawd, 3.8 Years Status:
Glad more and more people are finally opening their minds and realizing that android is big steaming pile of dogshit.
iOS forever bros.
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#93
11-07-2011, 12:28 AM
Lunas [H]ardness Supreme, 10.6 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mobusta1
Glad more and more people are finally opening their minds and realizing that android is big steaming pile of dogshit.
iOS forever bros.
I see things as the other way around apple is full of shit. I have used ios and android and i have bent the both of them to my will. Android bends and molds like clay. Where ios is like shaping rock with a hammer and chisel and the wrong move you break something and you need to start over... i can not tell you how many times my ipod touch has bricked itself just playing music at least i have to hand it to apple they were never permanent bricks... My android has never done that. Also my android phone gets better battery life than my ipod touch does...
I would equate an android phone to a hand held linux pc...
and an ipod touch/iphone more like a well made feature phone with a smart phone price...
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#94
11-07-2011, 12:47 AM
MavericK96 [H]ardness Supreme, 7.4 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mobusta1
Glad more and more people are finally opening their minds and realizing that android is big steaming pile of dogshit.
iOS forever bros.
Fail troll is fail.
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#95
11-07-2011, 01:24 AM
munkle [H]ardForum Junkie, 7.1 Years Status:
If I didn't have to use craptastic itunes and if the iphone had swype I would buy an iphone 4s. But I loath itunes with a passion and I need swype so android it is.
#96
11-07-2011, 01:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Andrew_e1
We cool?
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#97
11-07-2011, 01:33 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
Battery life is the one thing I don't have a problem with. 1 day heavy usage, 1.5 days without. I bought a 1500ma HTC touch pro battery to replace the 1250 one in my phone. With CM7 and stock kernel I get great battery lie on my incredible.
Mustang Steve is talking out of his ass obviously - with the stock Verizon kernel and ROM I got about six hours battery life. Yes, six. I over doubled it by changing ROM's.
Now if you want to talk about force closes and google voice taking 1.5 days to deliver texts most of the time, then Im with you all the way.
Nope, I'm talking out of experience. Two days battery life says I'm doing right what at least one of you two are failing hard at. Go ahead and pretend the problem is the OS though, be that person if it makes you happy. I'll just enjoy my battery life. I get just over 7 hours if I run Pandora non-stop through the phone's internal speakers...not bad considering that's beyond "typical usage" for a phone.
The only app I have that force closes is the Bank of America app...and that's preventable by closing the program instead of just leaving it run. Too many Android apps are poorly coded these days, the side effect of being as open a development model as they have.
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#98
11-07-2011, 02:14 AM
Justintoxicated [H]ardForum Junkie, 9.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by schenksmill
As a mobile developer, both Android and iOS can die in a fire.
lol
They are painful to learn, at least at a glance.
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#99
11-07-2011, 02:25 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by MavericK96
Maybe you had a bum phone, but we had the exact same phone and I've never had a problem with battery life. With light use at the end of the day I am generally sitting around 60-70%, and with heavy use it's more like 25-30%. I've never actually run out of battery before a day was finished.
Actually just made this post on the phone and it's at 55% at 11 PM having been off-charger all day.
This is what I'm thinking...he probably has a defective phone. However he needs to look at the battery usage widget to determine what's killing his battery life. If it's not a specific task that's doing it, it's the phone itself. 6 hours with forced throttle is not normal, even on meth.
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#100
11-07-2011, 02:56 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by MavericK96
Maybe you had a bum phone, but we had the exact same phone and I've never had a problem with battery life. With light use at the end of the day I am generally sitting around 60-70%, and with heavy use it's more like 25-30%. I've never actually run out of battery before a day was finished.
Actually just made this post on the phone and it's at 55% at 11 PM having been off-charger all day.
I stated a typical day for me is 4:30am to midnight. Do you unplug at 4:30am?
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
This is what I'm thinking...he probably has a defective phone. However he needs to look at the battery usage widget to determine what's killing his battery life. If it's not a specific task that's doing it, it's the phone itself. 6 hours with forced throttle is not normal, even on meth.
I had 3 fascinates within immediate reach. Mine, my sisters, my girlfriends. All were shit in the battery department. Neither my sister nor girlfriend did anything beyond texting calling e-mail and web.
Even my OG droid took an extensive amount of tweaking to get the battery to last a full day.
#101
11-07-2011, 03:45 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
You still need to look at the battery useage widget. Something's eating up that battery, and changing anything without knowing what's doing it isn't sound troubleshooting. Anything that hogs radio time is going to be a big culprit. Excessive open browser tabs can do it as well (when flash based ads refresh, that will tie up your data connection with enough tabs doing this).
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#102
11-07-2011, 03:46 AM
valve1138 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.8 Years Status:
This thread is funny. It's like arguing over which hacked up phone is less shitty than the other.
#103
11-07-2011, 04:26 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
You still need to look at the battery useage widget. Something's eating up that battery, and changing anything without knowing what's doing it isn't sound troubleshooting. Anything that hogs radio time is going to be a big culprit. Excessive open browser tabs can do it as well (when flash based ads refresh, that will tie up your data connection with enough tabs doing this).
Dude, enough of the battery widget shit. I've looked at it, it's never been anything out of the ordinary. The most usage goes to Android OS and Screen
The battery life just sucks.
#104
11-07-2011, 04:38 AM
derek533 2[H]4U, 4.3 Years Status:
You can pry WebOs from my cold, dead hands. Android and iOs can suck it as far as I'm concerned.
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#105
11-07-2011, 06:16 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by khanable
Dude, enough of the battery widget shit. I've looked at it, it's never been anything out of the ordinary. The most usage goes to Android OS and Screen
The battery life just sucks.
....that's pretty uncommon. I'd blame the hardware if the screen is set to timeout in a reasonable time like 20 seconds. Android OS shows on mine to consume about 2% of battery life. I kept mentioning it since you just keep going "fuck it sucks" instead of saying something that means anything beyond just complaining. This is the helpdesk person in me being a pain in the ass for good reason.
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#106
11-07-2011, 06:29 AM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
....that's pretty uncommon. I'd blame the hardware if the screen is set to timeout in a reasonable time like 20 seconds. Android OS shows on mine to consume about 2% of battery life. I kept mentioning it since you just keep going "fuck it sucks" instead of saying something that means anything beyond just complaining. This is the helpdesk person in me being a pain in the ass for good reason.
You would be a massive pain in the ass at help desk since you don't believe your users.
Look at every single legitimate review. The iPhone gets better battery life than any Android device.
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#107
11-07-2011, 08:50 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
You would be a massive pain in the ass at help desk since you don't believe your users.
Look at every single legitimate review. The iPhone gets better battery life than any Android device.
First lesson learned in helpdesk, if they're throwing extremist responses, they're often ignoring you. So either terminate session or keep pressing until they do provide results. They'll be angry either way, since they came in with a negative expectation already.
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#108
11-07-2011, 09:10 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
First lesson learned in helpdesk, if they're throwing extremist responses, they're often ignoring you. So either terminate session or keep pressing until they do provide results. They'll be angry either way, since they came in with a negative expectation already.
I don't think you realize how condescending and pretentious you sound. This is an enthusiast forum. I wrote a guide here on H on how to root the og droid back when it was popular. You think because you work at a help desk your Internet dick is somehow more massive? I ignored your constant suggestion of checking the "battery widget" because to me that suggestion is akin to asking "is the computer plugged in?" "are you sure?" "in order for the computer to power on it needs to be plugged in."
After finally divulging the obvious information you went in to say how it is "uncommon", when in fact, it is quite common.
#109
11-07-2011, 09:30 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
not at all, but hey if you want to call me a dick, feel free man.
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#110
11-07-2011, 09:35 AM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
not at all, but hey if you want to call me a dick, feel free man.
Ok
Dick.
#111
11-07-2011, 10:37 AM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
OK, at least we agree on something
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#112
11-07-2011, 10:53 AM
lloose [H]ardForum Junkie, 6.5 Years Status:
This threads awesome..
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#113
11-07-2011, 11:49 AM
zero2dash [H]ardness Supreme, 4.3 Years Status:
The free AVG app also includes a remote phone finder, remote lock and remote wipe features. (the other high rated security app, Lookout, does not offer remote lock or wipe in the free version)
It's useful for more than just being an antivirus. But hey, feel free to keep bitching even though you're not forced to download it.
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#114
11-07-2011, 12:34 PM
computerpro3 LightningRod, 8.9 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang_steve
First lesson learned in helpdesk, if they're throwing extremist responses, they're often ignoring you. So either terminate session or keep pressing until they do provide results. They'll be angry either way, since they came in with a negative expectation already.
First lesson from management; I don't hire helpdesk people like you.
Like it or not, you are in the vast minority believing that Android battery life is equal to ios. Look at every single expert review. Delusional helpdesk people only waste the company's time and hurt the bottom line.
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#115
11-07-2011, 01:19 PM
mustang_steve c[H]ewbacca, 8.5 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by computerpro3
First lesson from management; I don't hire helpdesk people like you.
Like it or not, you are in the vast minority believing that Android battery life is equal to ios. Look at every single expert review. Delusional helpdesk people only waste the company's time and hurt the bottom line.
...for fun, try to point out where I said that Android was better than iOS on battery life. I didn't.
I was arguing that Android does not equal shit battery life. Perhaps on a few platforms it may, but not as a whole.
Nothing delusional about what I did in this thread. I refused to assume, which is something that hangs helpdesk people. Want a problem that can be fixed in a day ongoing after a week? Just send high dollar parts overnight with install techs on assumptions. You'll find the situation will end up far worse. I've seen people who spend 40 years working with computers make basic mistakes like not screwing in a VGA cable. I guess we could waste his time by having a motherboard (onboard graphics) replaced for a loose cable. It's repeated mistakes like that which cause managers that let agents assume get fired.
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#116
11-07-2011, 08:08 PM
ComputerBox34 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.3 Years Status:
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#117
11-07-2011, 08:12 PM
khanable Banned, 5.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by ComputerBox34
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/07/c...-store-gets-h/
O FUCK IBETTEr GET THE iNORTONS
#118
11-07-2011, 08:26 PM
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#119
11-07-2011, 08:34 PM
Yossarian22 [H]ard|Gawd, 2.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by valve1138
Yeah I agree, and it's exactly why I have an iPhone. I need my phone to work with no bullshit.
I love fiddling with things, but my phone isn't one of them.
An Android phone might be neat to fuck with, but I don't see buying one just to muck around.
I was looking at the new Kindle Fire, no SD slot on the Fire along with limited memory killed that for me too though. Disappointing really ont hat.
Has anyone performed a Fire teardown? Maybe the port is actually on the PCB... bit-banging flash memory isn't too difficult after all.
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#120
11-08-2011, 03:57 AM
Lunas [H]ardness Supreme, 10.6 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by Yossarian22
Has anyone performed a Fire teardown? Maybe the port is actually on the PCB... bit-banging flash memory isn't too difficult after all.
Or you can save some time and effort and just get the nook tablet for around the same price and it has a micro sd
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#121
11-08-2011, 05:00 AM
valve1138 [H]ardness Supreme, 8.8 Years Status:
Yeah, the new Nook looks nice.
#122
11-08-2011, 05:10 AM
Calavaro Enough Already, 10.8 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by kuyaglen
3.000000001 TB of pr0n?
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#123
11-08-2011, 06:45 AM
mdk30 Gawd, 7.9 Years Status:
Your biggest complaint is that they have anti-virus software for Android and then...
Quote: Originally Posted by Andrew_e1
(I stress tested it using porn sites so you I know for a fact it can handle stressful flash situations).
At least you have the option of voluntarily getting a virus on your non-iOS toy.
#124
11-08-2011, 08:05 AM
Andrew_e1 [H]ard|Gawd, 6.1 Years Status:
Quote: Originally Posted by ComputerBox34
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/07/c...-store-gets-h/
When I saw the headling from that article I was disappointed, but upon reading I'm glad they banned the smartass... I mean, instead of contacting apple in the first place, he goes on and publishes a vulnerable app on purpose?
That's sort of like going to someone and saying, I stole your car but only to show you that you left your doors unlocked, but I didn't plan on doing anything wrong with it...
Had he gone to apple in the first place without being a sneaky bastard, he would have probably been rewarded or something.
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