Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
Other two questions
goal for encore: we never really had one, encore really just grew out of wanting more of a good thing
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
Hey man, appreciate the answers
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
and what currently differentiates core from encore... at the moment not a lot really
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
but I think you shoudl put them on the thread
theres a fair few rumblings going on [:(] its not just me on the thread
but understand if you rather answer to just me
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
just yourself for the moment
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
k, no worries.
On a personal level though
Do yah see where im coming from?
or am i being out of line raising the concerns
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
yeah man I do, and to be honest if these are concerns people are having then they need to be raised
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
Well . I semi raised them a few months ago
I was hoping would just get fixed.
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
we're finding it awkward trying to gauge what people want because let's face it, people rarely tell anyone what they want
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
Can I throw maybe an honest but stinging opinion towards you guys?
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
previous attempts to outreaching via asking people at weeklies, posts and polls etc on facebook/forums don't get any useful feedback
other than 'move the sofas to encore'
voice away
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
It seems like to me, the people running it . You CJ, et all have perhaps lost touch with some aspects, via some personal interests
That sounds horrible but its not meant that way
personal passion is a huge thing
but atm video games seem absolutely like an afterthought
(btw thats not a critique , you absolutely should do what you find fun)
(not a personal one anyway)
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
completely agree - we can see darragh and robert making huge strides and pouring a lot of effort into their respectives fields, and RP always has a lot of effort from individuals as opposed to the group
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
I think warhammer is a very good example
It practically runs itself
Seems to work like clockwork
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
well they seem to know exactly what they want and do it
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
Yeah so
going back to the point about , not getting feedback
Why would this prompt the actions taken over the last few months
Such as, moving certain groups down to desginated seats
and the gaming schedule
It boggles my mind what prompted those
I spoke about this in a lengthy manner with CJ once
dunno if he ever brought it up
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
gaming schedule I would have said was from an organisational standpoint, and ease of running... however I'm being told it was mostly an anti-theft device originally. and 2nd reason, we had lots of people taking up consoles for the majority of the day on one game, and then free consoles weren't left over
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
Re: The 2nd
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
referring to the moving people into groups thing, both the barry's and I believe brucie at the time wanted their own street fighter area. that was accomodated for, and now it's not wanted?
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
My observation is that what you are talking about is true to a degree
I would call it projector hogging those
though*
there were always plenty of free xboxes
infact they are normally unoccupied
Which is what confused me the most.
It's not like there were queqes so I was confused at that
(can never spell that)
as for Anti Theft, fair enough can see what you mean . I think its an perhaps too strong a measure
Why not use the same game swap system as before, but have the staff physically come in and put on the game themself
As for Street Fighter Area
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
first I've heard of it
would be suprised to find out it was ture
(ALSO WHO IS THE 2nD BARRY I DONT KNOW HIM LOL)
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
Barry Stanton (chun li)
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
Ohh
well I dont know him so well so couldnt possibly comment
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
fair
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
The way cj put it to me was
at the time they wanted to downplay the whole fight ing games only thing
Which frankly. Pissed me off
Im a pro games person
not a genre [:)]
and I thought it was extremely rude and infact underhanded to go about it in such a manner
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
well having street fighter on the projectors every week was putting off new people from coming to the weeklies... we did actually have people who came in and gave us feedback that 'all you guys seem to do is play street fighter'
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
COol well
I can appreciate that
but I mean seriously mate
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
so there was that, coupled with giving the crowd the projector they wanted
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
We are like, massive regulars there
what stopped you guys from going over and saying
hey guys couldyou tone it down a bit
instead of the sneaky sneaky
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
again
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
I mean, we dont bite and we dont smell that bad ( I think)
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
the 'underhanded' and 'sneaky sneak' comments seem unwarranted when we were essentially 'giving the fightan players what they wanted'
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
Well man I'll put my cock on the line and say right now I don't believe Blank Barry or S-Carlin said that within 2 months of it happenin
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
also, chris and mark did go over to them at one point and asked them to tone it down at one point, and it wasn't met with good reaction... neil remembers the exact names of people in question
Aaron Donaghey
about an hour ago
Aaron Donaghey
So i think theres some crossed wires there
Would love to hear that incident
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
about an hour ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
here's a point I'll make... carlin seems one of the least involved in anything atm
he's not in my mind when i'm mentioning the fightan crowd anyway
Aaron Donaghey
59 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
but i dont understand in that case then.
(sorry if the sneaky sneaky seemed personal, its not bud)
^ Just said up here
referring to the moving people into groups thing, both the barry's and I believe brucie at the time wanted their own street fighter area. that was accomodated for, and now it's not wanted?
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
58 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
not personal man, just right now we get complaints if we do nothing, and when we make changes to give people what they ask for, they get all sneaky sneaky and grumble among themselves and never approach us again
Aaron Donaghey
58 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
but , if you dont idenitfy him as being part of the fightan games thing
why would you act on that?
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
58 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
I never mentioned brucie earlier
Aaron Donaghey
58 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Uhm, you did.
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
58 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
I was speaking purely from the barrys because I remember them being vocal about it
hang on *scrolls up*
'i believe brucie at the time'... my apologies
Aaron Donaghey
56 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
no worries
Anyway. I can't help but feel maybe end up wandering in cricles a bit here
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
56 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
yeah a little
now let me pinpoint something from earlier
Aaron Donaghey
56 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Sure
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
55 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
you mentioned 'theres a fair few rumblings going on'... firstly is it because people don't feel they can approach us or voice their opinions
and secondly are you hearing about this personally, or are you hearing it third hand
right now it seems people want stuff, but dont wanna tell anyone and just grumble to themselves/their mates about it rather than say or do anything about it
Aaron Donaghey
53 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Well in my own defense
I've mentioned to CJ about 2 months ago
and now im being very open about it
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
50 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
ok neil has a particular input here
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
50 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
is there anything in particular you think we can improve in response to these grumbles?
if people are unhappy then obviously we wanna make them happy. core wasn't made to make people miserable [:p]
Aaron Donaghey
49 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
I think its really just communication man
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
49 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
I agree
Aaron Donaghey
49 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Fact of the matter is, there's not really any complete communication input via the gamer side
and everyone is to blame for htat.
Aaron Donaghey
48 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
I also feel like gaming has gradually become an afterthought
despite showing consistenly good numbers
at the encore 2 events ago, there was 20 for SFIV and 16 for Marvel
I dont remember the ones for the last one as I didnt have a hand in them
(btw please don't bung me in with a Fighting game only grou)
I am a fan of all game types [:)]
and i enter just about everything
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
46 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
gaming being an afterthought, you mean in general or purely for encore?
as far as encore is concerned we agree
Aaron Donaghey
46 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
For encore,yes
for core, no
Core is cool but im not a fan of the recent sort of penning in
but i can live with it
you guys do a shit ton of wor
work
for consoles
big respect for this
but i mean if you actually just look at it on paper
Gaming at encore is just not there
The logistics alone must be a nightmare
So after what? 3 years?
I dont blame the fact that maybe you guys drifted off a bit [:D]
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
44 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
well biggest two things I'm seeing personally
1) being communication with the players, which is being worked on. previous console rep allocation hasn't proven effective, and I've just been told i'm being promoted so I'll hope to make an improvement on this moving forwar
2) our usual problem we're finding is apathy. we make tournaments for games people want/like, then nobody feels like playing in said tournament. we've also been doing this for a good few years now, there has been some drifting off. other stuff happening, work etc
neil also has been makin the point in the last few months that people seem to be getting pretty bored of encores
Aaron Donaghey
42 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Maybe es too many?
and regarding tournaments
I definately see what you mean for tournaments for some games
You are running around with lists beggin peeps to sign up
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
41 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
('es too many', not following)
Aaron Donaghey
41 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Is too many encores
but anyway
I see another guy has replied
I dont even know who that is
maybe this is a good chance to get some feedback on the whole thing
Aaron Donaghey
35 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Also
I think there might be a bit of seeing things from one perspective
or taking some people sword too literally
ANYWAy
thanks kindly for your time mike
I know its an annoying thing to be talking about on a friday night
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
34 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
not at all man, thanks truly for talking to me about it. me and neil are now in a lengthy discussion regarding some of the points, so we'll get looking into it from here
Aaron Donaghey
33 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Oh
can i bring up one further thing
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
33 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
and hell I'm in work tomorrow, my friday nights are always bad XD
yes go ahea
*ahead
Aaron Donaghey
33 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
This is a story I heard recently
part of the grumblings so to speak
I dont know who crhis and mark are
so maybe it was them
but they said in the bar (at anarchy)
someone came over and asked them to move off the projector, it wasnt a staff member so they didnt know who they were
they finished their round
and moved down to the Tv
and for 30 minutes
no one actually then used the projector
so apparently after the 30 minutes
they went up
Aaron Donaghey
32 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
and played some crappy shooting games rest of the night
This was at anarchy last month
maybe i got the few details wrong
but sounds fairly close t oyour mark and chrfis thing you mentioned
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
31 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
yeah here's the clarification
yeah that was mark and chris the twins... they are committee.
also this was a really bad call
going back to the 'all you do is street fighter' comments earlier
Aaron Donaghey
31 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
I didnt even know they were comittee personally [:)]
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
31 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
quite a bit of pressure to get some first year interest, because obviously we won't all be here forever, new blood is going to be needed
so we listened to that, and made a bad call out of it
Aaron Donaghey
30 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
It's s'all good
this was actually something i spoke to CJ about
was alienating regulars
this was before that i think
Im no sure
Its a lonnng story arc lol
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
30 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
also those two people are committee because they wanted to be ... any student that wanted to be party of committe or a rep could be if they wanted more input e.g. blanka
right
you're talking to CJ a lot
obviously that isn't being passed along
Aaron Donaghey
29 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Not recently
About 2 months ago
I spoke to him
At least a 2 hour chat
very heated at points
much more so than this
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
29 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
I mean in general, obviously that isn't being passed along by him
Aaron Donaghey
29 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
I think it was maybe even 3
it was the first week after things were moved about
I spotted it and it set off alarm bells for me
As for the bad call thing
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
28 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
any issues/worries/suggestions like tonight you have in future, bring it to any of us (neil michael committee included)
Aaron Donaghey
27 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
i dont blame you for making attempts to keep peeps around
Makes sense
but I think there were mistakes made in other ways
(again i mentioned this all to CJ)
but I felt the issue could be summed up as giving out inappropiate blame
use us as a tool man not something to sweep under the rug [♥]
As for ways things might have good better
Captain hindsight on duty
but I didnt see anyone being introduced or sort of chaperoned on their first core night
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
25 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
chris knox
new yugioh player
but then again, it's not difficult to be introduced to the yugioh crowd
Aaron Donaghey
25 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Ok
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
25 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
but yeah, that chaperoning is something we should consider
it's a good idea
Aaron Donaghey
25 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
I dont get any view from that perspective
Apologies
iwas talking bout gamezz
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
24 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
I'm just saying the yugioh ones are always great at accomodating new people and introducing them around
just need to extend that in general
Aaron Donaghey
24 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Like "Hi, Im blah blah , welcome to core man. First nights free, what sort of stuff you into? Oh yu gi oh? Sweet, ill introduce you to hte yugi oh guys"
That needs to be for all aspects
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
24 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
agreed
Aaron Donaghey
22 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Anyway I dont know what can be done this time around for Encore
Its very close now
but I do think an honest sit down chat sometime in core
Might be an idea
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
21 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
agreed, this will definately get brought up again on a scale larger than just me and neil
preferably not at 2am
XD
Aaron Donaghey
21 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
Lol
I can see a hint !
Aaron Donaghey
21 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
I'll leave you alone . im sure you will have many sleepless nights
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
20 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
always do before work man
again, appreciate it [:)]
we'll talk soon man
Aaron Donaghey
20 minutes ago
Aaron Donaghey
no worries
I regret not having come to you beforehand
frankly I only spoke out in public because I felt after talking to CJ
If that didnt get through there
maybe it needed a little more public airing
and see if other peopel came on board with it
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
18 minutes ago
Mike Anti-Meta Durrant
I see
well we agree with a lot of those, and obviously we're problem points to move on with from here
for the moment however and I'm gonna be selfish here
my main problem point for now is being tired, so I'm gonna go fix that
take it easy man
Aaron Donaghey
about a minute ago
Aaron Donaghey
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