[20:40] <~Venar> Issue 1 : User Levels
[20:40] <~Venar> what does it mean to be trusted/moderator/leader? Do we need to make any adjustments.
[20:40] <~Venar> (it is in bold)
[20:40] <~Venar> it is colored too ha
[20:41] <~Venar> Znakey Says: I fear the seperation between regular members and trusted & up is hurting since everything even slightly important is put to trusted and most that was put to mods before are there now, new members hardly get a chance to give input.
[20:42] <&dokken> yup, that's always the risk when (ab)using levels
[20:42] <~Venar> I think he hit the nail on the head, because new members don't get to see all that we are saying, they think nothing is being said at all! I believe that trusted should stay but it should only be used for very private issues, such as planning a war
[20:42] <&dokken> yup
[20:42] <&dokken> but, there's just not been said alot last time :p
[20:43] <&Debar> i think trusted was developed, out of unhappiness with slow leadership
[20:43] <&luke> I think new members do get chance to give input, but majority of the time, all of the important issues are normally discussed in the Trusted section on the forum, so usually normal members dont get a look in.
[20:43] <~Venar> the reason we created it in the first place was to keep SR spys from knowing our shit
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[20:43] <&luke> But on the odd occasion, I have seen things like the DT continuation posted in the general talk, and often gets good response.
[20:44] <&Debar> i think overall forum is not much used for opinionforming, as input can be valuable, where new members can have input too
[20:44] <&Debar> i would cheer for more discussing on forum
[20:44] <&dokken> me 2
[20:45] <&luke> agreed
[20:45] <&luke> not saying everyone does, but everyone in FF CAN use the forum, so we could post things in the General Talk and if they don't reply, they can't have any issue with it.
[20:45] <&Debar> i think it would be good to put more things discussing in open for new members too
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[20:47] <&Debar> lol
[20:47] <&luke> nice
[20:48] <&dokken> looks I'm the only admin you can really count on :p
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[20:49] <&Pr0dIgY> ty
[20:49] <&Debar> i think it would be very good if leaders also take participation then in that discussion topics
[20:50] <&luke> so that everyone can know what the leaders are thinkin
[20:50] <&Debar> yeah
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[20:50] <&Debar> hehe
[20:50] <&Venar> Whoops sorry
[20:50] <&Venar> Can someone else log the conversation? I switched PC's
[20:50] <&dokken> I often stay quiet at start, to not push a discussion into a direction
[20:51] <&Debar> i have always log on Venar
[20:51] <&Venar> did anyone see my post about Moderators?
[20:52] <&dokken> nope
[20:52] <&Venar> haha okay
[20:52] <&Debar> sorry, dont thing so, just noticed today, i got access there
[20:52] <&Venar> i think that i got d/c
[20:52] <&Debar> sorry, inhere
[20:52] <&Venar> Basically I was saying that there is some confusion between the rolll of moderators and access vs trusted
[20:53] <&Debar> dont understand you, sorry
[20:53] <&dokken> mods are basically trusted with a job :p
[20:53] <&dokken> not?
[20:53] <&Venar> in my opinion, once trusted, always trusted, and that moderators are pulled from a pool of trusted players based on who
is being active and willing to handle the responsabilitys
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[20:53] <&luke> <-
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[20:53] <&Debar> i dont really agree to once trusted, always trusted
[20:53] <&Debar> where is Hack?
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[20:53] <&luke> gone
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[20:54] <&Debar> he could be aswell playing in DT orso
[20:54] <&Venar> how about on the condition you don't leave chain?
[20:54] <&Venar> but for example, crossroads may quit for an age, but do we remove him from trusted?
[20:54] <&Debar> nope
[20:54] <&Venar> i think not, because when he comes back, we know for sure he is loyal and wonderful member
[20:55] <&Debar> but when he is gone 2 or 3 ages, i think its gonna be different
[20:55] <&Venar> so, you believe trusted you must be active in the last 2/3 ages?
[20:55] <&Debar> hmm people as xroads are so known for loyaltie, but i dont think that of every trusted
[20:56] <&Venar> well then they should be removed from trusted, imho :P
[20:56] <&dokken> a lot is based on knowing the person
[20:56] <&Debar> hey, its not only me!
[20:56] <&Debar> more input please
[20:56] <&Venar> dokken i want to hear you
[20:56] <&dokken> if you're gone for 2-3 ages, not alot of active players might know you
[20:57] <&luke> i bet if u asked in #FF if anyone knew crossroads, you wouldnt get much of a response
[20:57] <&Debar> i know for instance Handbanana, how many of you know him?
[20:57] <&Venar> love the guy :)
[20:57] <&luke> i do
[20:57] <&dokken> I would remove, but with the option to give it back relatively fast if he's active again or so
[20:57] <&luke> :)
[20:57] <&Debar> that sounds cool
[20:57] <&luke> needs to re-prove themself to get trusted back
[20:57] <&Venar> i guess i just fundamentally believe trusted doesn't have to do with activity
[20:58] <&Venar> moderator is activity, trusted is TRUST
[20:58] <&Venar> and i dont lose trust over time...
[20:58] <&Debar> and based on that i had asked Kadji to put him quick back in trusted
[20:58] <&luke> i should be a mod then :p
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[20:58] <&dokken> I ment 'plays again'
[20:59] <&Debar> so then Trusted could get demoted too?
[20:59] <&luke> like inactive trusted?
[20:59] <&luke> idk
[20:59] <&Venar> personally i am against that idea, but if ya'll agree on it, we can have a vote
[20:59] <&luke> cant really demote someone from trusted based on what you said earlier
[21:00] <&Debar> inactivity?
[21:00] <&luke> its not really demotion, just basically like a suspension, if you're gonna offer them trusted back
[21:00] <&CrazyOrc> (on , reading)
[21:01] <&Debar> suspension sounds good
[21:01] <&Venar> alright, well we have to move on soon, i can compromise with a Trusted-inactive, which suspends privalages after an age of not playing, but resumes when they play again
[21:01] <&luke> suspension in a good way obv :p
[21:01] <&Venar> do we all agree to that?
[21:01] <&luke> aye
[21:01] <&dokken> tehnicaly speeaking if people are inactive (= dont play) their lux acces is revoked, which is based on forum group
[21:02] <&dokken> so far I've put people to old member (wnet inactve) or Old member (left FF)\
[21:02] <&Venar> ok debar, dokken do you like the compromise?
[21:02] <&Debar> yep
[21:03] <&dokken> yep
[21:03] <&luke> done
[21:03] <&luke> NExt Venar :)
[21:03] <&Venar> ISSUE 2: FF Cheating Policy
[21:03] <&luke> define cheating please
[21:03] <&Venar> Should we have one? How strict?
[21:03] <&luke> ac/ab ?
[21:03] <&luke> multis?
[21:03] <&dokken> no bold, no more color :(
[21:03] <&Venar> I would say anything that gets you banned by mods
[21:04] <&Venar> (i know i'm sorry dokken, new computer :( doesn't have irc
[21:04] <&Debar> one side i like it, but when other chains do cheat so much in all regions, we should not be so much more stricter
[21:04] <&Debar> i think its too harsh
[21:04] <&luke> maybe demotion for cheating
[21:04] <&luke> if is a mod/trusted/leader etc
[21:04] <&luke> but members we cant demote
[21:04] <&Venar> Here's my deal
[21:04] <&luke> and there isnt really another punishment
[21:05] <&Debar> suspension?
[21:05] <&Venar> i dont mind them being in our alliance, but i dont think they should be publicly leaders
[21:05] <&Venar> because it gives us a bad reputation
[21:05] <&Venar> maybe more "behind the scenes" leaders or such
[21:05] <&luke> shouldnt be any sort of leader until proven that shit aint gonna happen again
[21:05] <&Debar> hence i mentioned suspension, but not forever
[21:05] <&luke> lux suspension?
[21:05] <&dokken> if the ban is also accepted by FF (koc admins arent always correct) i would say demote
[21:06] <&luke> cant exactly suspend someone from the alliance can we?
[21:06] <&Debar> no, not leading one age orso
[21:06] <&Debar> or no modding, what the rank was
[21:06] <&luke> not leading until proven that they can be trusted to not cheat
[21:06] <&Venar> ok and i agree with dokken
[21:07] <&Debar> and for that, i think people who really offended FF, as Azerbaby, and Uther, should also allowed to get a second chance after some time
[21:07] <&Venar> uther didn't cheat did he?
[21:07] <&CrazyOrc> debar is making confusion
[21:07] <&Debar> sorry
[21:08] <&CrazyOrc> she talks about offending now , not cheating
[21:08] <&Venar> oh ok
[21:08] <&Debar> true
[21:08] <&luke> Uther didnt cheat, he was a trickle and left to go rogue
[21:08] <&CrazyOrc> uther is pretty anti-cheating
[21:08] <&Venar> ok, we'll talk about offenses afterwards
[21:09] <&Debar> k
[21:09] <&Venar> cheating policy compromise -> demotion to normal member no matter the status, ability to rework their way up the ranks after an age played cleanly w/out cheating
[21:09] <&Venar> is it good?
[21:09] <&CrazyOrc> uther left not because he went rogue , but he couldnt agree with FF surrendering
[21:09] <&luke> agreed Venar
[21:10] <&dokken> agree
[21:10] <&CrazyOrc> ok
[21:10] <&luke> Debar?
[21:10] <&Debar> or one level down, i dont know if i would like an old leader to even not trusted
[21:11] <&Venar> well we dont' have to follow it to the letter in every case, this is our public policy
[21:11] <&luke> Venar came back and went straight to trusted, so one level down might be a better compromise
[21:11] <&Venar> luke: i never cheated, and never lost leadership :P
[21:11] <&Debar> just say demoted then, and not say how far
[21:11] <&luke> you were old leader
[21:11] <&CrazyOrc> trusted is still fine , because that s not a public function
[21:11] <&luke> ok
[21:11] <&luke> agreed
[21:12] <&Venar> alright
[21:12] <&luke> demoted to member of cheated, trusted if old leader/mod and returns
[21:12] <&luke> agree?
[21:12] <&Venar> are you talking about two different things?
[21:12] <&Venar> or all cheating?
[21:12] <&luke> two different
[21:12] <&luke> Demoted to member if they cheat
[21:13] <&luke> Return as trusted if an old leader/mod
[21:13] <&CrazyOrc> lets say you cant be mod nor leader, when caught cheating?
[21:13] <&Debar> nope, demoted to no public level
[21:13] <&Debar> for one age
[21:13] <&Debar> and chance of rehabilitizing
[21:14] <&Venar> i agree with debar, and luke, leader is always leader, old leader means "inactive, won't but into your issues"
[21:14] <&luke> ok agreed
[21:14] <&Venar> when you've put in your bloods and sweat for years, its a slap in the face to be demoted
[21:14] <&Venar> ok
[21:15] <&Venar> so in summary, "cheater is demoted, loses all public status, and can regain rank in alliance after 1 age played cleanly"
[21:15] <&dokken> yup
[21:15] <&Debar> k
[21:15] <&luke> k
[21:15] <&Venar> great
[21:15] <&CrazyOrc> k
[21:15] <&Venar> We have to be quicker for next issues
[21:15] <&luke> next :D
[21:15] <&Venar> ;)
[21:16] <&Venar> ISSUE 3 Current LoP Alliance
[21:16] <&luke> i like them
[21:16] <&Venar> What do we gain, what do they gain, is there trust? Is their reputation good for us to share? What's the deal with their other tool?
[21:16] <&Venar> btw -> http://stats.luxbot.net/statistics.php
[21:16] <&Debar> haha, nice
[21:16] <&Venar> can anyone calculate approximately the growth we gave them versus the growth they gave us?
[21:16] <&luke> nice
[21:17] <&luke> probably more growth to them than us, we sat under them for a looooong time at the start
[21:17] <&luke> and didnt exactly get a lot back
[21:17] <&Debar> i think maybe Sam has the figures
[21:17] <&luke> because it was late in the age, clickback is poor etc
[21:17] <&Debar> we got some first trickles i thought
[21:17] <&Debar> who got wasted :(
[21:17] <&Venar> Sam, Debar?
[21:18] <&luke> Kill3rSam
[21:18] <&luke> lop guy
[21:18] <&Venar> ah
[21:18] <&Debar> he is not playing, but he is LOP leader
[21:18] <&Venar> oh btw,
[21:18] <&Venar> Znakey says: I don't see any gain or much trust, we're just in the same chain, no other alliance actions what I've seen (dunno if there has been a change since I was around more but thats what I feel)
[21:18] <&Debar> and very good in statistics and so
[21:19] <&CrazyOrc> it s not about the growth, but about possible wars what matters and thats why i vote for keep FF-lop alliance
[21:19] <&Venar> ok, i also have a "WITTLE" bit of a secret
[21:19] <&CrazyOrc> so we are semi allied with lacn too
[21:19] <&luke> this is gonna get confusing because we dont have the same wars, we aren't the same alliance, we're 2 different alliances
[21:19] <&Venar> oh wait, thats next topic
[21:19] <&luke> in the same chain
[21:19] <&Venar> we dont have the same wars?
[21:19] <&CrazyOrc> not yet
[21:19] <&luke> nope
[21:19] <&Debar> i think we got a more neutral stance now to lacn since we are inchain, allied to LOP
[21:20] <&luke> they're warring Anca chain, we've temp removed from sablists i think?
[21:20] <&Venar> how are we semi allied to lacn :O *confused*
[21:20] <&CrazyOrc> thats because people fear us now :)
[21:20] <&Venar> are we inchain of lacn???
[21:20] <&luke> nope
[21:20] <&CrazyOrc> no
[21:20] <&Venar> what are you saying
[21:20] <&Debar> no
[21:20] <&Venar> haha
[21:20] <&CrazyOrc> but lop is amllied with lacn
[21:20] <&luke> but lop/lacn are very closely allied
[21:20] <&Venar> oh ya?
[21:20] <&Venar> didn't know that
[21:20] <&Debar> but i think they tend to treat us with more friendlyness for LOP
[21:21] <&dokken> they jumped into a lacn war, we stayed out
[21:21] <&Venar> lop did?
[21:21] <&luke> yea
[21:21] <&Venar> why didn't we join?
[21:21] <&luke> lop gave lacn help with war, and we didnt
[21:21] <&luke> because we had DT to deal with
[21:21] <&luke> when they were actually a chain
[21:21] <&Debar> happened in the month you were afkish Venar
[21:21] <&luke> not 3 people
[21:21] <&luke> :p
[21:21] <&dokken> yup, correct
[21:21] <&Venar> ohhhkk...
[21:22] <&Debar> it was no gain for us to join, and we were given the option to stay out
[21:22] <&luke> so we did
[21:22] <&Venar> so the concencus is that we gave them more growth but it helped to be in chain because it might have helped in a war?
[21:22] <&luke> we did help them
[21:22] <&luke> the trickle meant they didnt get a lot of losses
[21:22] <&Debar> i dont know if we really gave more growth to them
[21:22] <&luke> because growth was giving them soldiers too
[21:23] <&CrazyOrc> part of FF joined lop in war too (my sons chain)
[21:23] <&Venar> i dunno it seams like a wash to me, not much of anything changed
[21:23] <&luke> which one is that?
[21:24] <&Debar> irrelevant now i think
[21:24] <&Venar> eek running low on time
[21:24] <&Debar> i think major is trust inbetween LOP and FF
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[21:24] <&luke> LOP turn lux off to attack someone
[21:25] <&Debar> i think on slayers level things are pretty good
[21:25] <&luke> so they dont get bitched at
[21:25] <&Debar> Luke, thats not really true
[21:25] <&luke> used to
[21:25] <&luke> idk if they still do
[21:25] <&Debar> but i think on leaders level there should be more coordination
[21:25] <&Venar> alright i really want to get to everything but i have to leave in 15 minutes, so lets leave this discussion for the forums
[21:25] <&CrazyOrc> so : i m still strongly pro LOP alliance, but more time needed to make it better
[21:25] <&Debar> as for instance about Ancalagon
[21:25] <&Venar> NEXT ISSUE -> DT ALLIANCE
[21:26] <&Venar> accept surrender or no?
[21:26] <&CrazyOrc> ??
[21:26] <&luke> DT surrendered?!
[21:26] <&luke> wtf
[21:26] <&luke> where u get this shit
[21:26] <&CrazyOrc> they wont surrender
[21:26] <&Venar> the ancalagon sub train
[21:26] <&Venar> *sub chain sorry
[21:26] <&luke> lol
[21:26] <&Venar> Znakey says -> Yes, if they haven't left and returned before
[21:26] <&luke> Anca has been hardcore dt for ages
[21:26] <&Venar> i dont care it's up to you guys
[21:27] <&luke> and bss before
[21:27] <&CrazyOrc> we removed them from sablist so we already accepted?
[21:27] <&Venar> alright that's easy
[21:27] <&Venar> unless someone wants to "re" fight them :P
[21:27] <&dokken> off the list = off the list for me
[21:27] <&Venar> ok, great
[21:27] <&dokken> if they sab, they go back on
[21:27] <&luke> when i had the convo with him, i told him that any hostilities would result in immediate re-approval
[21:28] <&Venar> alright, and this can be "last chance" if they attack again this age, they'll never be off
[21:28] <&Venar> OK MOVING ON
[21:28] <&Debar> i think the problem was that within the first 24 hours after the offer of Ancalagon ther was NO more coordination in this what stance really would be wise
[21:28] <&Venar> thats right, and luke you probably shouldn't have just said "ok" w/out talking to alliance
[21:28] <&luke> well we're warring DT
[21:28] <&luke> not ASS
[21:28] <&Debar> to leaders i think
[21:29] <&luke> he isnt DT
[21:29] <&dokken> also, war communication should be done in war room and not spread over 3 -4 topic in as many forum places
[21:29] <&Venar> considering the intensitity/longevity of our conflict with Anca
[21:29] <&luke> we dont sab
[21:29] <&Debar> and i think such things should be better coordinated too wtih LOP
[21:29] <&dokken> we're not really at war, we just approved all DT who sabbed us
[21:29] <&luke> http://www.kingsofchaos.com/stats.php?id=4429300
[21:29] <&luke> heres a prime example
[21:29] <&luke> ROTTEN
[21:29] <&luke> left dt
[21:29] <&luke> we unapproved cos he wasnt in dt
[21:29] <&luke> he did more damage than anca has
[21:30] <&Debar> point is also, with not letting him go, he would have continued the damagedoing!
[21:30] <&dokken> conclusion : Anca's chain is not linger approved ?
[21:31] <&dokken> *longer
[21:31] <&luke> no longer approved, but general conscensus is to get re-approved upon more hostilities
[21:31] <&Debar> <&luke> when i had the convo with him, i told him that any hostilities would result in immediate re-approval
[21:31] <&Debar> and i think that should be posted on forum
[21:31] <&dokken> sure, previous actions in an age always count
[21:31] <&luke> ok
[21:31] <&Debar> can we go to next age?
[21:31] <&dokken> that's why we only move the threads and dont delete
[21:31] <&luke> Venar next toppic
[21:31] <&Venar> oke
[21:32] <&Venar> NEXT ISSUE: END OF AGE 15, goals
[21:32] <&Venar> actually we can do this in forums probably..
[21:32] <&luke> ya
[21:32] <&luke> for everyone
[21:32] <&luke> but
[21:32] <&Venar> yea for everyone, put it in publoic
[21:32] <&luke> we need to decide who's gonna finish for FF to give best possible finish
[21:32] <&Venar> *public
[21:32] <&Debar> is there any idea about leadership for next age?
[21:32] <&luke> orc or prodigy?
[21:32] <&luke> Debar wait :
[21:32] <&luke> next topic is active leaders
[21:33] <&luke> but we're sortin this out first
[21:33] <&Debar> goal discussion on forum, looks fine for me
[21:33] <&Venar> i dont really care orc vs prodigy, but i guess orc has been more often with the scans (afaik)
[21:33] <&luke> orc is #1 always
[21:33] <&luke> :p
[21:33] <&luke> well
[21:33] <&luke> we shall see what pro says
[21:34] <&luke> dokken still here?
[21:34] <&luke> input plz
[21:34] <&dokken> not sure yet
[21:35] <&luke> ok
[21:35] <&luke> well gonna go public anyway
[21:35] <&Debar> i dont know what is discussed now
[21:35] <&dokken> I havent sold off in many times yet
[21:35] <&Venar> ok, we'll get input from pr0 and orc then decide
[21:35] <&luke> Venar next topic
[21:35] <&Venar> Alliances next age
[21:35] <&dokken> and not sure if we all should aim for 1 huge or 2 big acct or so,,,,
[21:35] <&Venar> yea dokken i agree
[21:35] <&Venar> plus sells are too dangerous
[21:35] <&Venar> anyways
[21:35] <&Venar> Alliances next age
[21:36] <&Debar> sells, when properly done, it works pretty good
[21:36] <&Venar> Alright so this is a secret
[21:36] <&luke> whisper then :p
[21:36] <&Venar> but RF and LoP are talking about allying next age, and will officially ask us in a week or so to be part of the trifecta
[21:36] <&luke> you know what?
[21:37] <&luke> i kinda knew this was coming
[21:37] <&Venar> yea Zar joined our forum after he told me :P
[21:37] <&luke> i had a conversation with RL leader few days afo, and was
[21:37] <&Venar> but i had to coax it out of him, LoP doesn't want us to know yet
[21:37] <&Debar> with Wulfric undercover in RL and RL on lop and our forum....yep
[21:37] <&Venar> anyways THIS IS NOT OUR ONLY OPTION
[21:37] <&Venar> we could talk to any other alliance
[21:37] <&Venar> they all would want us, litearlly all of them
[21:37] <&luke> asking me what our plans were next age
[21:38] <&Venar> Znakey says -> I'd prefer to find a new ally, but stay away from SR
[21:38] <&luke> SR = fail
[21:38] * &Venar fuck gonna be late to class
[21:38] <&luke> cheating fail
[21:38] <&Debar> i think we need to be carefull not to be crushed against LaCN, if we can prevent
[21:38] <&luke> Venar want me to take over and keep logging?
[21:39] <&Debar> nah, go Venar
[21:39] <&Venar> we're about done
[21:39] <&Debar> and we can set another meet
[21:39] <&dokken> do we even need an ally?
[21:39] <&luke> not really
[21:39] <&dokken> we've been growing in size and strenght lately
[21:39] <&luke> LaCN did well enough without allies
[21:39] <&luke> but they are like 3x bigger than us
[21:40] <&Venar> i believe we should have an ally, until we have at least half the TFF of LaCN
[21:40] <&Debar> LaCN is a lot bigger, and they were allied to LOP still
[21:40] <&Debar> yep
[21:40] <&luke> ok, Ally will be discussed depending on LoP decision with RL
[21:40] <&Venar> well they already want it, its up to us to accept or find something better
[21:40] <&Debar> i think allies can be good, but we need to work on more active talking
[21:41] <&Venar> we will certainly
[21:41] <&Venar> i also want TUE personally
[21:41] <&luke> o_O
[21:41] <&luke> TUE is tiny
[21:41] <&Venar> but tbh we'll probably do the three way
[21:41] <&Venar> but awesome :)
[21:41] <&CrazyOrc> i understand RL wants LOP , but is it sure lop wants to aliie with RL?
[21:41] <&Venar> yea they've been talking about it
[21:41] <&Venar> LoP was supposed to "break the news to us"
[21:41] <&luke> RL wants LoP because they will get immunity to LaCN then
[21:42] <&Venar> if we ally though, we'll certainly fight lacn, since we'll be fighting for first ;)
[21:42] <&Debar> lol, and that brings us into Lacn camp, more opposite of SR
[21:42] <&luke> ofc
[21:42] <&Venar> anyways i'm out of time, feel free to keep chatting, but I'll say we hit most of the topics, and we can schedule
another meeting before the age ends for next age plans
[21:43] <&luke> Venar quickly
[21:43] <&Venar> someone want to start a topic in forums for end of age 15 planning?
[21:43] <&luke> Who's gonna be active leaders next age?
[21:44] <&Venar> I would say any leader who wants to be active :) we should ask everyone
[21:44] <&luke> Debar input
[21:44] <&luke> dokken input
[21:44] <&luke> CrazyOrc input
[21:44] <&Debar> on what
[21:45] <&dokken> I have no problem in doing as I did this age
[21:45] <&luke> Who's gonna be active leaders next age?
[21:45] <&Venar> bye guys, i can do a summary later, but if someone can put the logs up it'd help me
[21:45] <&Debar> i think Venar needs to go now
[21:45] <&Venar> this was really exciting :)
[21:45] <&Venar> i'm glad we got all together!
[21:45] <&Debar> :)
[21:45] <&Venar> bye guys
[21:45] * Parts: &Venar (dborrel2@Cyanide-d0tfsh.csug.rochester.edu)
[21:46] <&luke> Who's gonna be active leaders next age?
[21:46] <&luke> dokken is staying
[21:46] <&luke> but what about ZnakeY PrOdIgY illkeyone ?
[21:47] <&dokken> we should ask them
[21:48] <&luke> Debar wheres your input? you asked for topic to be mentioned
[21:49] <&Debar> when there is no input from the players themselves, what can i say about it?
[21:49] <&luke> your opinion?
[21:49] <&luke> should anything change?
[21:49] <&Debar> things always change, and we hope for the better
[21:50] <&Debar> but i cant dictate that
[21:50] <&Debar> people only can decide for themselve, and i cant make someone else more or less active
[21:51] <&Debar> so i think talk about leadership for next age is pretty useless now
[21:51] <&luke> what do you think of the current leadership?
[21:52] <&Debar> Luke, whats your goal now?
[21:52] <&Debar> hear my gossip?
[21:52] <&luke> no
[21:52] <&luke> i want opinions
[21:52] <&luke> because people dont seem to do that
[21:53] <&Debar> i think we should ask, maybe on forum, to people who is wanting to dedicate for next age
[21:54] <&luke> are we asking all members or just trusted+
[21:54] <&Debar> i think as we mentioned before, we should put it in all members
[21:55] <&Debar> when needed, we can move parts, or continue parts in trusted
[21:56] <&dokken> Let's 1st start it in trusted
[21:56] <&luke> then move to public if needed
[21:56] <&dokken> yup
[21:57] <&Debar> when in trusted, there is more chance leadership is gonna be part of the topic
[21:58] <&Debar> *subject
[21:59] <&Debar> maybe separately in all members a topic about what role people think they wanna play next age
[22:02] * Kadji|Ghost is now known as Kadji
[22:02] * &Kadji back ppl
[22:02] <&Kadji> i made it ;P
[22:02] <&Kadji> hi all
[22:03] <&luke> its over :p
[22:03] <&Kadji> just finished catching up
[22:03] <&Kadji> yeap i know :(
[22:03] <&Kadji> agree on cheating policy
[22:03] <&Kadji> agree on user levels
[22:03] <&Kadji> dont agree with the whole anca thing
[22:04] <&Kadji> there will never be a cooldown period with any hardcore Dt member plus we really start honouring our alliance name
[22:04] <&Kadji> Ofc everything i say it's my opinion so plz do be too hasty in judging it
[22:04] <&Debar> with Ance, i think the problem was it was not drawed back in the first 24 hours
[22:04] <&Kadji> so instead of having 2 roque alliances
[22:05] <&Kadji> excuse me
[22:05] <&Kadji> i meant 1
[22:05] <&Kadji> we now have a second one
[22:05] <&Kadji> who for the time being doesnt want to get involved in a sab war?
[22:05] <&Kadji> genuine 100% bs
[22:05] <&Kadji> that's a fake fall back strategy
[22:05] <&Kadji> in order to regroup and recruit more members
[22:05] <&Debar> i dont understand you
[22:05] <&Kadji> well
[22:05] <&Kadji> i summarize
[22:06] <&Kadji> i dont agree with the anca being removed from the sab list
[22:06] <&Kadji> why?
[22:06] <&Kadji> simply because he left Dt doesnt get an absolution to what he did to FF members the whole age
[22:06] <&Kadji> members who share his gameplay
[22:06] <&Kadji> they are trucing for a bit only to regroup
[22:07] <&Kadji> so there is never peace with them
[22:07] <&Kadji> excuse my english sometimes
[22:07] <&Debar> i was not happy either, but he WAS removed, and it was not sorted within 24 to take a firm stance
[22:07] <&Kadji> language barrier
[22:07] <&Kadji> well
[22:07] <&Kadji> i think
[22:07] <&Kadji> WE should be acting much faster
[22:07] <&Kadji> i think in this age
[22:07] <&Debar> agreed FULLY on that
[22:08] <&Kadji> i contributed a bit in taking some things a bit more serious
[22:08] <&Kadji> Everyone need a Hothead in their company
[22:08] <&Kadji> but most of the times i was right so :P
[22:08] <&Kadji> on the issue regarding who is in command/leadership
[22:08] <&Kadji> honestly?
[22:08] <&Kadji> I DONT CARE
[22:08] <&Kadji> i wanna see
[22:08] <&Kadji> ACTIVE PPL
[22:09] <&Kadji> with no offense to anyone
[22:09] <&Kadji> either to dokken ( <3) nor to Afrah <.I.> (<3x<3)
[22:09] <&Debar> its the active people who are listend too very often
[22:09] <&Kadji> i wanna see EVERYONE BEING 100% ACTIVE
[22:09] <&Kadji> CLICKING RECRUITING ASSISTING IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY
[22:09] <&Kadji> oh i forgot sabbing
[22:10] <&Kadji> AND SABBING TOO }:P)
[22:10] <&Debar> can i settle for 50%? i have a life....
[22:10] <&Kadji> heheheeh
[22:10] <&Kadji> you know what i am talking about
[22:10] <&Kadji> i dont expect anyone to be 100% in koc
[22:10] <&Kadji> hey
[22:10] <&Debar> lol yeah