19:37:14: <Camwood> yo asto
19:37:25: <Astograth> Hello everyone
19:37:54: <Val|WI> [14:36] <Bostopia> Val: Ron Paul <--- boo
19:38:10: <Camwood> well, I know but we agrred on the fact that SC and Carm both enjoy bitching about irrelavant topics
19:38:18: <FSSO> i hope barack obama wins
19:38:26: <FSSO> at least he has some idea of what he is doing
19:38:28: <Val|WI> As long as he can guarantee me a master at the MIT when I leave uni, I don't care. :P
19:38:45: <FSSO> the only reason anyone is dissapointed in him is because they somehow got all hyped and thought he was incapable of making mistakes
19:38:47: <Ancharmunn> Val: Paul Ron
19:38:50: <Val|WI> Scolarships are also welcome. :P
19:38:51: <FSSO> considering the job hes had to do, i think hes done well
19:39:14: <Val|WI> Obama is a joke as well, just like Yankeeland politics
19:39:18: <Ancharmunn> I think he's possibly the best of bad bunch
19:39:42: <Camwood> I think the republicans are too christian centered
19:39:43: <Bostopia> that or we all want America out of our business :)
19:40:04: <Val|WI> We all want America to fall? :)
19:40:08: <Ancharmunn> I think the Christian Democratic Party are too secular
19:40:12: <myt> but if we had no America in our business, we'd have no business
19:40:15: <myt> but meh
19:40:24: <Camwood> not that thats completely a bad thing bu ttheres a boatload of other religions in the USA
19:40:25: <myt> anyway, the USA is just far too conservative
19:40:26: <Val|WI> Meh the yanks
19:40:37: <Val|WI> The USA need more socialism
19:40:45: <Ancharmunn> the whole world does :p
19:40:55: <Val|WI> Except Cuba. :P
19:41:00: <Val|WI> And North Korea. :P
19:41:02: <myt> socialism five, Sorth o/
19:41:28: <Camwood> yhey need socialiam if there isnt private entirprise to run utilities
19:41:36: <Ancharmunn> Cuba and One True Korea do, you can never have too much socialism!
19:41:43: <Bostopia> so it now turns out I'm cooking Sunday dinner
19:41:44: <Bostopia> fecks sake
19:41:48: <Camwood> other than that capitalism should stay where it is
19:42:02: <Bostopia> if you or anyone you know wants to die, please feel free to come round on Sunday
19:42:41: <Camwood> too much socialism=communism=dictatorship sorth :P
19:42:46: <Ancharmunn> and?
19:42:49: <Val|WI> I doubt I can be given airline tickets Bogota-Madrid-London from here to Sunday. :P
19:42:58: <Ancharmunn> is that necessarily a bad thing?
19:43:12: <Ancharmunn> the person I want dead will already be there Bos :p
19:43:14: <Camwood> you act like dictatorships are ok
19:43:32: <Ancharmunn> they can be
19:43:34: <tae> they are
19:43:49: <Ancharmunn> democracy isn't always so great in itself
19:43:50: <Val|WI> They can be ok, but that's not always the case.
19:44:10: <Val|WI> The problem with democracy is that it can easily turn into a dictatorship
19:44:16: <Camwood> I guess if you had nazis butbfor a good cause like holocausting rapists or something...
19:44:17: <myt> democracy is great
19:44:55: <Val|WI> In fact, most modern dictatorships emerged from democracies.
19:45:03: Ancharmunn democratically votes for Myt to be killed
19:45:08: <Val|WI> For example: Nazi Germany.
19:45:09: <Camwood> constitutional monarchy is the way to go I think
19:45:12: <myt> exactly
19:45:29: <myt> how does that have any bearing over whether a democracy or dictatorship is better?:p
19:45:34: <myt> Camwood, btw
19:45:41: <myt> that was directed at you
19:45:47: <Camwood> though all those ministrys can makr beuracacy
19:46:07: <Ancharmunn> especially the spelling ministry
19:46:22: <Ancharmunn> hu neds spolling aynwya
19:46:25: <Val|WI> Does Camwood have one of those, btw? :P
19:46:35: <Ancharmunn> evidentially not :p
19:46:53: <Ancharmunn> they cut it back to cut the red tape of bureaucracy :p
19:46:55: <Camwood> constitutional monarchies, in my opinion, are a moderate, happy medium
19:46:57: <tae> So this is how libety dies... with thunderous applause?
19:47:00: <Astograth> How is a constitutional monarchy functionally different from a regular democracy?
19:47:06: <Zwangzug> lol Tae
19:47:12: <Ancharmunn> because it has a monarch!
19:47:23: <Astograth> /functionally/ :P
19:47:39: <tae> ayone have a good way to tell a person that they are amazing?
19:47:40: <FSSO> ima butt in here
19:47:41: <Camwood> the monarch has power...bi gpower
19:47:48: <FSSO> camwood, capitalism is an inherently unfair system
19:47:50: <FSSO> dont be naive
19:47:51: <Camwood> stupid nook
19:47:53: <Ancharmunn> GOD SAVE OUR GRACIOUS QUEEN, LONG LIVE OUR NOBLE QUEEN, SEND HER VICTORIOUS! HAPPY AND GLORIOUS! GOD SAVE THE QUEEEEEN!
19:47:56: <Val|WI> Well, the monarch does nothing but draw his salary.
19:47:57: <Ancharmunn> fuck the 'RA!
19:47:58: <FSSO> Val|WI, socialism isn't totally good
19:48:03: <FSSO> look at all the failed commie states
19:48:04: <myt> ooh ah
19:48:08: <FSSO> mixed economy is best economy o/
19:48:08: <Ancharmunn> there, don't you feel happy having heard that? :p
19:48:15: <commerceheights> Tae: I’m not Ayone, but have you considered “you’re amazing”? :P
19:48:20: <Val|WI> Communism =/= Socialism
19:48:22: <myt> but were they actually communist FSSO
19:48:27: <myt> go go 'no true scotsman'
19:48:30: <Aels> 19:48:33 <Camwood> the monarch has power...bi gpower <--- ...
19:48:32: <tae> ive already used that a bajillion times ch
19:48:40: <Ancharmunn> were they actually failures either?
19:48:40: <FSSO> myt, nah
19:48:47: <FSSO> they wanted to be commies
19:48:51: <FSSO> but they failed, they all failed
19:48:55: <myt> FAILED
19:48:55: <Aels> you do realise in a constitutional monarchy, the monarch has no power greater than that of his or her legislature?
19:48:57: <Val|WI> Communism ended going far away from the socialist ideology
19:49:00: <myt> to be fair, the USSR worked
19:49:00: <FSSO> FAILED
19:49:04: <Camwood> Communism>Socialism in terms of power and authority
19:49:05: <myt> the people hated it though :p
19:49:09: <FSSO> nah myt
19:49:25: <commerceheights> < Tae> ive already used that a bajillion times ch ← then it seems quite likely that it wasn’t true
19:49:26: <FSSO> the USSR went through the entire growth period it could sustain before 1960
19:49:27: <Ancharmunn> and look where becoming "democratic" has got them :p
19:49:30: <FSSO> then it declined for ages
19:49:42: <FSSO> we only remained scared cuz dey had n00ks
19:49:44: <Val|WI> In a constiutional monarchy, like the UK, the monarch's power is limited by the Parliament.
19:49:46: <commerceheights> there aren’t that many amazing people in the world
19:50:00: <FSSO> constitutional monarchy a la UK isn't too bad
19:50:08: <Ancharmunn> were there at least 1,093 at the last count commerceheights?
19:50:09: <Astograth> Are there a bajillion people in the world to begin with?
19:50:20: <FSSO> 7 billion approx
19:50:31: <commerceheights> Ancharmunn: yes · Astograth: for some value of bajillion
19:50:32: <Camwood> The UK would be screwed (almost) if someone wiped out the buckinghams
19:50:37: <FSSO> it will reach 10 billion by 2050 then cap out, at least thats what most geographers think
19:50:38: <myt> is bajillion even a numerical value?
19:50:45: <Camwood> like what thecommies did to the romanovs
19:50:46: <FSSO> no camwood, it wouldn't
19:50:52: <Ancharmunn> the Buckinghams?
19:51:02: <Astograth> Camwood, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about
19:51:03: <myt> who the fuck are the Buckinghams?
19:51:05: <FSSO> and *facepalm* they are not the buckinghams
19:51:06: <FSSO> they are the windsors
19:51:06: <Val|WI> The Windsors you meant.
19:51:09: <Aels> christ, Camwood
19:51:14: <FSSO> so please camwood just dont talk
19:51:16: <FSSO> just stfu
19:51:20: <myt> someone kick him from here
19:51:22: <Camwood> UK would have to convert to a total democracy
19:51:22: <myt> forever
19:51:24: <myt> please
19:51:25: <Aels> well done on undoing any good work you've done
19:51:33: <Aels> shut up, please, unless you know what you're talking about
19:51:36: <FSSO> camwood, there is no such thing as total democracy
19:51:42: <Camwood> k
19:51:45: <Camwood> bye