<Shakyj> Cru, Yeah, thought you might say that. I might try combining the two though. The conf that works on here with 4 screens on fglrx and merge it with the xorg on here
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<Shakyj> xorg on there*
<padhu> How can i get the list of recent document list in ssh connection?
<Cru> Shakyj: well, I suppose, fglrx is not using Xinerama, thus not using individually configured X screens to merge
<EvilBob> Cru Shakyj are you guys even playing with Fedora or are you totally off topic?
<EvilBob> there is not an fglrx package for any supported Fedora release
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<Cru> padhu: cat ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel on current desktops, cat ~/.recently-used.xbel on older ones
<EvilBob> So... I'm guessing you are off topic
<Cru> EvilBob: it is about xorg-x11-drv-ati
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<Cru> ... and why a fglrx configuration does not apply to that ;)
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<EvilBob> Does the radeon driver even support multihead at all?
<Shakyj> EvilBob, "supported" is sometimes a vague thing too
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<EvilBob> Shakyj: No it isn't
<xaphir> EvilBob, so it's good then that A) You're not an op and B) You don't get to decide what's on topic and what's not.
<padhu> Cru: Thanks
<Shakyj> EvilBob, So, I'm a user trying to get help and what's your problem with that? Thanks for the shitty reply :/
<EvilBob> Shakyj: Language check
<Shakyj> EvilBob, Check, I have language 1.0 installed
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<xaphir> Shakyj, the language advice is like joseph stalin giving out humanitarian awards.
<EvilBob> Shakyj: What exactly are you trying to do? can you "fpaste --sysinfo"
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<Shakyj> EvilBob, get a 500 doing fpaste :/. I have onboard and an ATI 5750 with 4 screens, 2 on each. I can get all 4 working with fglrx on centos 6.1 but as fglrx doesn't work with F16 that's a no go
<Shakyj> http://fpaste.org/Nzsl/
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<EvilBob> Shakyj: rpmfusion has the catalyst driver
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<mangas> Shakyj, fglrx doesn't work with gnome-shell but it works with fedora16
<EvilBob> Shakyj: You should give that a run
<Shakyj> tried the rpm fusion one, I just get a black screen with a _ on boot
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<Shakyj> EvilBob, using LXDE due to the problems with Gnome 3
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<EvilBob> Shakyj: that is a bad URL
<Shakyj> http://fpaste.org/Nzs1/
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<Shakyj> sorry, on 2 different machines and had to type it
<Lcstyle> how do I troubleshoot graphical startup? seems like on default runlevel 5 boot I never get to KDE desktop. console just sits there blinking?
<EvilBob> Shakyj: No Problem
<EvilBob> Shakyj: can you faste the Xorg.0.log on that machine?
<EvilBob> Shakyj: Would like to see why it fails with the catalyst driver if we can
<EvilBob> Shakyj: I hate ATi and I hate their closed source sad excuse for a driver even more just so you know.
<EvilBob> Shakyj: When building multi head machines in the past I have always started with the basics if I really wanted it to work
<EvilBob> Shakyj: One card, one display. Then two, then three and so on.
<Shakyj> I have the card + 2 screens working but not the onboard atm
<Shakyj> http://fpaste.org/E4C2/
<Shakyj> I think that is it :P
>check< your pm. and we concentrate on ati type support.
<bla_bli> I have a card with a SVGA AND a HDMI ouput
<bla_bli> so 1 card = 2 outputs = 2 screens
<bla_bli> I can clone display or extend it
<Shakyj> yeah, I have 3 on mine and they work. But now trying to get the onboard to work bla_bli
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<bla_bli> Shakyj, dummy question, did you ever disable onboard vga in BIOS ?
<bla_bli> (did you re-enable it recently thus ?)
<Shakyj> no, lol. It's on :)
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<bla_bli> do 'lsvga' detect it ?
<bla_bli> do lshw see it ?
<bla_bli> (sorry for poor spelling)
<Shakyj> Both of them return Command not found
<EvilBob> Radeon HD 5670 or Radeon HD 4250 is working now?
<Cru> is there a trick on recent releases to get filesystems from /etc/fstab cleanly mounted/umounted by an unprivileged user through Nautilus? I used "users,noauto" option, which works well on console and also in Nautilus on F13, but on F16 nautilus actually mounts the FS but waits for an ack message from DeviceKit, I think, until a timeout occurs -- but then when I e.g. plug a flash drive, also the filesystem from /etc/fstab appears as mounted, and umou
<Cru> nting gives the same problems as mounting
<Shakyj> the HD 5670 is working. That's the graphics card. The HD 4250 is not. That's the onboard
<EvilBob> Shakyj: Traditionally if you have an add in graphics card any on-board is disabled
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<Shakyj> EvilBob, would nVidia work better? If that's a better option I will get one of them cards
<EvilBob> Shakyj: I know some of that is changing
<bla_bli> Shakyj, you may run thos commands as root
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<bla_bli> lsvga is a standard cmd present on almost all distributions
<EvilBob> Shakyj: It's not a case of getting "one" you would need two.
<bla_bli> if not on yours, you should install it
<bla_bli> that the begining
<Shakyj> EvilBob, Yeah, I know this setup works, I have used the same hardware on windows 7 and centos 6.1 and it works
<bla_bli> without that it will be difficult to help you
<EvilBob> Shakyj: At this time and in all recent history nVidia has been better than ATi for most users
<bla_bli> and it takes a few seconds to type "yum install -y lsvga lshw" :-)
<bla_bli> EvilBob, I do not agree
<EvilBob> Shakyj: You have a touchscreen set up?
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<bla_bli> ATi works as well as Nvidia
<Southern_Gentlem> bla_bli, please do not recommend the -y switch the users need to know where and what they are installing
<Shakyj> EvilBob, NOOOOOO, don't go for that stuff :P
<Fieldy> fully agree with EB. nvidia puts out drivers very quickly, they work fine... as opposed to ATI who has said that linux is not a priority, and it shows. very slow to release drivers, pretty fast to drop support for cards, the drivers are often buggy and even crashy... after 14 years of linux experience, i tell linux users to avoid ati
<EvilBob> Shakyj: Just curios about the evdev
<EvilBob> errors in the paste
<EvilBob> Fieldy: WE know, because WE are here helping users.
<bla_bli> Southern_Gentlem, "-y" does not hide anything ....
<Fieldy> good good
<Southern_Gentlem> bla_bli, yes it does
<bla_bli> only removes some questions that users will validate in all cases thus ...
<Fieldy> it hides the y/n prompt....
<Southern_Gentlem> well it doesnt hid but it doesnt give the user the chance to look either
<Fieldy> that's a prett irritating assumption, bla_bli.
<bla_bli> Southern_Gentlem, that more true yes :-)
<bla_bli> Fieldy, not for installing lsvga and lshw
<bla_bli> he wants those cmds
<bla_bli> so he will type "y"
<bla_bli> that pure logic
<Southern_Gentlem> bla_bli, so please do not recommend the -y switch
<bla_bli> and if we let user decide if "-y" or not eh ?
<bla_bli> instead of thinking instead of him
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<EvilBob> Shakyj: How serious am I about my opinion of ATi? I recently turned away 2 "free" used laptops, their crap is not allowed in my house.
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<EvilBob> Shakyj: the only exception is my Son's Wii
<Southern_Gentlem> bla_bli, after they learn they can make they can decide but alot of new users see the commands here and end up in trouble later
<EvilBob> ;)
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<EvilBob> Shakyj: http://fedorasolved.org/nvidia has a link to the list of compatible cards for the current nVidia driver should you decide to go that route.
<Fieldy> ati's particularly nasty in laptops, since you can't (reasonably) swap out the card, you're just stuck with it
<Shakyj> EvilBob, don't really have the option of SLI on here. I have 2 graphics slots but they're crossfire only, so could get another ati and xfire them but would that work?
<EvilBob> I swore by and at ATi cards until FC2 then I switched, never have regretted it.
<xaphir> Basically they are clueless with regard to ati hardware and have no experience with it, so aren't qualified to speak on it.
<bla_bli> Southern_Gentlem ok, I undestand
<Fieldy> xaphir: they who?
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<xaphir> Fieldy, you for one
<EvilBob> Shakyj: Yes, a second add in card would probably work out of the box.
<xaphir> If you can't get it to work you shouldnt' be commenting on it.
<Fieldy> xaphir: i currently have a laptop with ATI. if i use ATI's drivers, the entire system is unstable.
<Fieldy> xaphir: ah, so if the drivers are shit and I don't use them, it's my fault. nice. please don't talk to me.
<xaphir> So do I, but my stuff is working. I've got 5 ati platforms here
<rdieter> at least ati releases specs for their cards, and supports opensource driver development
<EvilBob> rdieter: LOL
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<rdieter> same cannot be said of n*
<Fieldy> actually, they don't. they've done a lot of noise about saying they would -- and never did it.
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<xaphir> Fieldy, it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
<Shakyj> EvilBob, I should probably try that option then I have half an hour to get next day delivery :)
<rdieter> Fieldy: I'm aware of at least 2 developers @ rh supporting ati driver development, based on the specs ati provide
<Fieldy> in summary for me and then i'll move on: ati has said that linux is not a priority. therefore, giving them my money is not a priority.
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<EvilBob> rdieter: They are finally getting down to usable specs after 3 years?
<rdieter> EvilBob: specs have been available for a long time
<xaphir> Fieldy, I have contact with the devs in germany and again, you arent' qualified to speak on it factually.
<EvilBob> rdieter: And buried how deep?
<rdieter> EvilBob: I don't know the details beyond that
<EvilBob> Right
* rdieter hates having to triage all the bugs from nvidia drivers
<EvilBob> Based on what we see here ATi is still less desirable in most cases to anyone else
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<rdieter> so, *my* $$ is going to intel first, ati second. n* never.
<EvilBob> Even nirik, who has little bad to say about anyone/anything has bad things to say about trying to work with ATi hardware.
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<EvilBob> Based on the experiences here in this channel with fedora users
<Shakyj> EvilBob, Just found an exact same model card so I will put that in tomorrow morning as well and give that a try :)
<xaphir> Shakyj, I tend to observe and listen to the ones that have it working as opposed to the ones that are not competent enough to get it working.
<EvilBob> Shakyj: Will be great to hear what you find and I will help you as much as I can despite my hate....
<EvilBob> ;)
<Shakyj> xaphir, Going the ATI route anyway, It does work if fglrx would work on my ssytem :(
<rdieter> EvilBob: sure, my opinion is that if you end up having to use 3rd party drivers, it's already a failwhale
<EvilBob> rdieter: No arguement there
<EvilBob> argument
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<EvilBob> rdieter: I am down to ONE machine here with the closed nVidia driver, need it for the sVideo out to work on one card.
<Fieldy> xaphir: i've been using linux for 14 years from both an administration and end user viewpoint. don't insinuate to someone else without using my nick that I don't know what I'm doing. i'm sure if the drivers worked out well for me, you wouldn't be talking like that.
<EvilBob> But that machine I just noticed the other day is F13... I should be flogged...
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<xaphir> Fieldy, in that case I would say that you have wasted 14 years on attempting competency.
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<EvilBob> Fieldy: You are communicating with someone who has been here for years and not helped more than a half dozen people openly in the channel.
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<Fieldy> roger.
<EvilBob> Fieldy: His mission is to stir trash and start crap, pull people in to PMs and other channels
<xaphir> EvilBob, ati support we give elsewhere as you have made this channel antagonistic to ati users; and about all other users as it turns out
<Fieldy> ok, i will keep that in mind for the future, i won't feed the troll
<the-light> Hi all. I've problem with yum. I cann't install anyapplication because yum repo have wrong. http://pastebin.com/i2qF4uTT
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<EvilBob> Shakyj: Anyhow, Best of luck to you. I hope it all works out.