19:57 BeyRevRa hey
19:57 BeyRevRa zacherys told me you have promise as a mage/psion or whatever you are
19:58 BeyRevRa is that true or false, do you have an opinion on that
19:58 TashRikil that is true.
19:59 BeyRevRa ok
19:59 TashRikil i think i could, if i had an appropriate practice, and things to learn that interested me.
19:59 BeyRevRa what do you do I'm just wondering, psi or magick or something else I haven't heard of
20:00 TashRikil i'm a bit of a wild talent. i dont use any of the terminology you will commonly find in the oec.
20:00 BeyRevRa ok
20:00 TashRikil and you are?
20:00 BeyRevRa what have you accomplished with magick?
20:01 BeyRevRa nobody important, just an occultist
20:01 TashRikil i havent accomplished anything using forces outside myself
20:01 TashRikil if that is what you mean by magick
20:02 TashRikil nobody listens to me. success is elusive at best. i dont really reach out to the dark side at all.
20:02 BeyRevRa ok
20:02 BeyRevRa i mean have you experienced results in other words
20:03 BeyRevRa and what kind if so
20:03 TashRikil well, i am able to influence traffic patterns, with visual contact
20:04 TashRikil i can be quite convincing, when i am not trying so hard, usually within the context that my idea is a little distasteful, but inevitable
20:05 TashRikil i can brawl on here effectively, if that counts. to my mind it doesnt. you just have to influence others' perceptions
20:06 TashRikil i seem to influence the chance of freak things happening wherever i go, usually bad luck.
20:06 BeyRevRa lol
20:06 BeyRevRa so do you have much success with mind control
20:06 TashRikil and i can speak with astral beings. including dead people.
20:07 TashRikil no. no i do not.
20:08 BeyRevRa you said you can be quite convincing, i thought you meant mind control by that
20:08 BeyRevRa what did you mean
20:08 TashRikil mind control is not reprogramming someone else's computer ok?
20:09 TashRikil you cannot violate their ability to think for themselves. not must not, CAN not.
20:09 TashRikil what you can do is set triggers, little waypoints, usually hinged on some sort of reason, that direct their thoughts in certain directions. if you know the probable outcomes it can be very useful
20:11 BeyRevRa the easiest counter to that arguement is television advertisement influencing people's beliefs, values and opinions about products, issues and people
20:11 TashRikil creating little islands of understanding, even if wrong, can influence people to think in a certain way, or at least down certain paths
20:11 TashRikil no, in fact. television is indeed the easiest proof of that pudding.
20:12 BeyRevRa pudding?
20:12 TashRikil for instance the little words we have in our head about coke, and pepsi. would you even consider a third party soda? no, probably not, because we think these are "better" for some reason
20:13 BeyRevRa what is your point though
20:13 BeyRevRa that mind control isn't possible?
20:13 TashRikil most of america's populace is brainwashed by a bogus educational system
20:13 TashRikil my point is just that people cannot be controlled like robots. they can be influenced instead. and the outcome is almost never completely desirable to the influencer.
20:14 TashRikil and also, if they realize what was done to them, they can break out.
20:14 BeyRevRa you must have had a bad experience because my experience is the exact opposite of what you're telling me
20:14 BeyRevRa did you have a bad experience?
20:14 TashRikil oh. you think you can walk on people's minds?
20:14 BeyRevRa yes
20:14 TashRikil i have had many bad experiences. did i mention my luck?
20:14 BeyRevRa yes go on
20:15 TashRikil no.
20:15 BeyRevRa i'm not judging you I just want to know what you know
20:15 TashRikil of course you do, instead of sharing you are taking.
20:15 TashRikil so no.
20:16 BeyRevRa well you already told me you didn't have much success with mind control, then you're telling me how it works which is contrary to what I have experienced
20:16 BeyRevRa so what do you want me to say?
20:16 BeyRevRa I'm just asking you
20:16 TashRikil offer me something i can work with then.
20:16 BeyRevRa hmm, ok
20:17 BeyRevRa three years ago when I was taking prerequesite courses in college I had to take a speech class
20:17 BeyRevRa I wasn't good at public speaking at the time and I was very nervous to get in front of people and I was having a hard time creating the speech and remembering what I had to say, I was extremely stressed out and nervous about it because I didn't want to fail, that class was important to me
20:18 BeyRevRa to make matters worse, I had the hardest teacher who expected us to look at the audience, not our notes
20:18 BeyRevRa she expected every detail to be professional, down to body language like hand movements, and tone of voice
20:18 BeyRevRa she was a real bitch in other words
20:18 BeyRevRa good teacher, but too strict
20:18 TashRikil ok
20:19 BeyRevRa well the past one or two speeches, we all did so bad
20:19 BeyRevRa she would criticize every detail when we finished right there in front of everyone
20:19 BeyRevRa even the best speakers would get a grade of 75 or 80 maximum
20:19 BeyRevRa and she had so many bad things to say
20:19 BeyRevRa so here I was stressed out and I just got tired of all the bullshit
20:19 BeyRevRa so I created a specific spell to help me with the speech
20:20 BeyRevRa this speech had 3 - 6 specific intentions that had to be done exactly as I said, and I was just so mad/stressed I didn't think about it too much after making it, I guess I was stressed out so much I couldn't even think about it
20:20 BeyRevRa So the conditions were this
20:21 BeyRevRa 1. I will give a good speech and I will get an A (I thought this was impossible because like I said, she was way too strict and I'm not a good speaker, the highest grades in the class were like C+)
20:21 TashRikil thats two intentions.
20:21 BeyRevRa 2. I'm too nervous about this for it to be a waste of time, everyone will pay close attention to me and learn everything I have to say
20:22 BeyRevRa I figured, why give a speech if nobody cares and doesn't listen to what I'm saying?
20:22 BeyRevRa 3. It will be so educational, people will actually thank me and tell me how much they learned from my speech
20:22 BeyRevRa 4. I will be completely calm, comfortable and organized, and I will not get nervous when I'm up there
20:23 BeyRevRa 5. (not this one I was just bullshitting I knew for sure this one wouldn't happen) My speech will be so good, everyone will give me a round of applause
20:23 BeyRevRa in that class we don't applaud after a speech, we just wait for the teacher to criticize
20:24 BeyRevRa so anyway I went into class and just sat there, one person told me "how are you so calm? aren't you nervous?" also I felt focused and calm so much so that the teacher said afterwords "just don't lean on the podium next time, it makes you look too relaxed"
20:24 BeyRevRa I ended up getting not only an A, put a 100, a perfect score which was unheard of in that class, especially for me
20:24 TashRikil hmmm alright. let me ask you something
20:25 BeyRevRa the teacher herself specifically told me "I learned so much I found myself taking down notes during your speech, it was very educational"
20:25 BeyRevRa And when criticizing my speech, she said "Wow.... just wow, I have nothing bad to say about it, everyone give him a round of applause"
20:25 BeyRevRa and they did
20:25 TashRikil is there any reason i should avoid drinking the white russian i have just fixed>
20:25 BeyRevRa Not really unless you have a history of liver or kidney disease
20:25 BeyRevRa sounds like a good idea
20:26 BeyRevRa Alright, so I gave you something to work with
20:26 BeyRevRa now will you give me a little something to work with?
20:26 TashRikil if you intend to teach me something tonight i probably should not drink it.
20:28 TashRikil very well. influencing traffic is simple. if you understand that most people already drive in a bit of a zen trance and it only takes a little nudge mentally, essentially you only have to think it at them real hard, to move faster. but you have to be able to see them, and sense them, which is not always available.
20:29 BeyRevRa what about the bad luck
20:29 TashRikil so if i get stuck behind a truck or at the bottom of a hill i cannot see over, traffic clogs again. and loosens up the moment i can see down the highway. just a little, gentle nudge to step on the gas
20:30 TashRikil i honestly do not know why i am so unlucky. sometimes i think it is a trade. my general unluck for my ability to influence people when it really counts. except that isnt true either.
20:30 BeyRevRa maybe its a curse
20:30 TashRikil might well be. but if it is, i'm not aware of it, let alone how to counter it.
20:31 BeyRevRa what religion are you
20:31 TashRikil good question. i have no idea.
20:32 TashRikil used to be christian. never hung out with the society much, couldnt connect to the people.
20:32 BeyRevRa did you believe the gospel and do you still believe it
20:32 TashRikil i know the bible, or perhaps i remember it, better than anyone you have met, most likely
20:32 BeyRevRa I'm just seeing if there is a pattern between curses and religions
20:34 BeyRevRa the bible talks about generational curses, "sins of our fathers" as it were
20:34 TashRikil i believe it to the point where i understand its context, and choose to apply it where it is most useful, and choose to ignore it when its context is exceeded, or when hundreds of stupid little rules would make rational behavior impossible
20:34 BeyRevRa generations of children being punished for the sins of their parents
20:35 BeyRevRa alright so you aren't christian then
20:35 TashRikil no. every man is responsible for his own tablet. nobody else's. i have always firmly believed that
20:35 TashRikil you ever read the epistles?
20:35 BeyRevRa yes
20:35 TashRikil so you're aware that Paul was writing into specific situations, expanding the context?
20:36 TashRikil but that not every guideline was meant to be followed ad infinitum?
20:37 TashRikil or maybe you're not.
20:37 BeyRevRa did you have any other success with mind control
20:37 TashRikil when i was an ardent fundamentalist i converted a vampire and dragon or two. does that count?
20:38 BeyRevRa you converted mythological creatures?
20:38 TashRikil i converted otherkin.
20:38 BeyRevRa oh humans
20:38 TashRikil yes, humans. read that again. i. converted. otherkin.
20:39 BeyRevRa good
20:39 TashRikil not so much.
20:39 TashRikil but... things i believe in are very compelling, regardless of whether they are right or wrong.
20:41 TashRikil i sat and preached in a vampire room for years. and they never once banned me. though i saw others being banned right and left.
20:41 TashRikil i was repulsive to them. but i was eh... kinda right.
20:42 TashRikil and eventually the weakest willed after a few years decided to rediscover the religion of her childhood. in large part due to me working like a demon on making certain things... more workable in her context.
20:43 TashRikil is that mind control? i have no idea. but it stands out as one of the more improbable things i have ever done.
20:43 BeyRevRa technically yes but not the kind I was talking about
20:44 TashRikil no. certainly not the kind you were talking about. the kind i was talking about.