[01:46] <nerkel> Hey, can I ask some questions pertaining to Dota ?
[01:48] <imwoods> shoot
[01:49] <imwoods> what'd you like to know
[01:49] <nerkel> :D
[01:49] <nerkel> Well, it's for personal reasons. I'm also attempting to write a guide to help out LoL players who want to transition to Dota2
[01:49] <imwoods> ye
[01:50] <nerkel> Can a courier be killed?
[01:50] <imwoods> ye
[01:50] <nerkel> If it can, does the items it have get destroyed upon it's death?
[01:50] <imwoods> whenno
[01:50] <imwoods> no
[01:50] <imwoods> they drop
[01:50] <imwoods> and you can kill them on the ground
[01:50] <imwoods> if you make the courier flying
[01:50] <nerkel> Ahh
[01:50] <imwoods> (costs an extra 200g)
[01:51] <imwoods> it has a movementspeed boost (think ghost walk?lol)
[01:51] <nerkel> Yeah
[01:51] <imwoods> and a shield (5seconds) that makes it totally invulernable
[01:51] <nerkel> Ahhh, okay
[01:51] <imwoods> but only when flying
[01:51] <imwoods> walking is just that
[01:51] <imwoods> walking transport
[01:51] <nerkel> lol
[01:51] <imwoods> they tend to die in 1/2 hits
[01:51] <imwoods> at level 1
[01:51] <nerkel> that's nifty
[01:51] <nerkel> aw
[01:52] <imwoods> but if you're good
[01:52] <imwoods> you either put it behind the tower
[01:52] <imwoods> where it's generally safe
[01:52] <imwoods> or if it's flying
[01:52] <imwoods> you can shift queue it
[01:52] <imwoods> so it starts flying towards you with the ms boost
[01:52] <nerkel> nod
[01:52] <imwoods> when it gets to you
[01:52] <imwoods> gives you the items instantly
[01:52] <imwoods> puts the shield on automatically
[01:52] <imwoods> and flys base
[01:52] <nerkel> That's pretty awesome
[01:52] <imwoods> it's pretty basic stuff
[01:52] <imwoods> but very very useful
[01:53] <nerkel> ;p
[01:53] <nerkel> In LoL, you need boots on every character, no exception. Does every Hero in Dota need boots?
[01:53] <imwoods> yes
[01:53] <imwoods> no exception
[01:53] <nerkel> Ah, I see
[01:53] <nerkel> Sorry, without having played Dota I really don't know the numerous differences
[01:54] <imwoods> no problem
[01:54] <nerkel> HoN sorta added its own items to the pool
[01:54] <imwoods> well
[01:54] <imwoods> take away plated greaves
[01:54] <imwoods> and striders
[01:54] <imwoods> from HoN
[01:54] <imwoods> is the same as dota
[01:54] <imwoods> but in dota you get arcane boots
[01:54] <imwoods> which on activation
[01:54] <imwoods> give mana in aoe (like the free summoner spell in LoL)
[01:54] <nerkel> Wow
[01:54] <imwoods> really nice on heroes like earth shaker
[01:54] <imwoods> think they're 1500g
[01:54] <nerkel> Thats nice
[01:55] <nerkel> Is there a locked Camera mode for dota?
[01:55] <imwoods> 500g boots/1000g mana item (forgot the name)
[01:55] <nerkel> I know in LoL a lot of people keep it on, and it's a bad habit
[01:55] <imwoods> in DotA2 if you want locked camera
[01:55] <imwoods> double click on the hero portrait
[01:55] <imwoods> it locks in
[01:55] <nerkel> Ah, there we go :D
[01:55] <imwoods> there will probably be a bind aswell
[01:56] <imwoods> (by portrait I mean the icon in the gui at the bottom that you'll see as people play on streams now)
[01:56] <nerkel> Yeah
[01:56] <nerkel> :3
[01:56] <nerkel> How are the runes determined for the river?
[01:56] <nerkel> Are they random?
[01:56] <imwoods> it's rng
[01:56] <imwoods> 50/50 chance
[01:56] <imwoods> top or bot
[01:56] <imwoods> one at 00:00
[01:57] <imwoods> one at 2,4,6,8,10
[01:57] <imwoods> etc
[01:57] <imwoods> (minutes)
[01:57] <imwoods> for rest of the game
[01:57] <nerkel> Cool beans
[01:57] <imwoods> like LoL you get a pre-game timer
[01:57] <imwoods> before the creeps spawn
[01:57] <nerkel> right
[01:57] <imwoods> neutrals don't spawn until 30seconds past lane creeps spawn
[01:57] <imwoods> creeps can be stacked once every minute
[01:57] <imwoods> creep corpses don't block the spawns (as in hon)
[01:58] <nerkel> I imagine that would be a weird strategy
[01:58] <imwoods> what
[01:58] <nerkel> stacking creep corpses in hon
[01:58] <nerkel> Or am I thinking of something else
[01:58] <imwoods> I meant neutral creeps
[01:58] <imwoods> wood creeps
[01:58] <nerkel> ahhh
[01:59] <imwoods> in HoN if a creep corpse stays in the camp blocking area
[01:59] <imwoods> it blocks the neutrals from spawning
[01:59] <imwoods> in DotA2
[01:59] <imwoods> it doesn't
[01:59] <nerkel> Ahhh
[02:00] <nerkel> How do you Deny? Is it just right clicking on your own minions like any attack?
[02:00] <imwoods> exactly the same as farming
[02:00] <nerkel> Cool
[02:00] <imwoods> when it's low hp
[02:00] <nerkel> I imagine some people would wonder about that
[02:00] <imwoods> you attack it as if you were trying to farm it
[02:00] <imwoods> but it denies them the exp / gold
[02:01] <nerkel> right
[02:01] <nerkel> :3
[02:01] <nerkel> Is there a time limit on buybacks?
[02:01] <nerkel> And thats it, I swear
[02:01] <nerkel> D:
[02:01] <imwoods> in dota2 you can buy back every certain amount of time
[02:01] <imwoods> forever
[02:01] <imwoods> aslong as the timers off cool down
[02:01] <imwoods> you can buy out
[02:01] <nerkel> Cool :D
[02:02] <nerkel> so it's on a timer
[02:02] <imwoods> yeah, don't ask me how long
[02:02] <nerkel> x3
[02:02] <nerkel> I can research numbers, it's mechanics that can be a bit baffling
[02:02] <imwoods> how so?
[02:02] <nerkel> Just not being familiar
[02:02] <imwoods> well
[02:03] <nerkel> LoL may have the same goal (Destroy the enemy base)
[02:03] <imwoods> if you're a good LoL player
[02:03] <nerkel> but the way it accomplishes it is different
[02:03] <imwoods> you'll be better then the bads in DotA
[02:03] <imwoods> but you won't be godlike
[02:03] <nerkel> I'd consider myself decent
[02:03] <imwoods> unless you really pick it up properly
[02:03] <nerkel> I was 1500 solo queue a year ago
[02:03] <nerkel> right
[02:03] <nerkel> I plan to really get into the studying whenver I get a beta key
[02:04] <imwoods> no need
[02:04] <imwoods> just need to focus on a role
[02:04] <nerkel> ;p
[02:04] <imwoods> in LoL you play what you've bought
[02:04] <nerkel> I'm sorta liking Int
[02:04] <imwoods> carries or supports
[02:04] <imwoods> favourite LoL hero?
[02:04] <nerkel> Tinker and Zeus
[02:04] <nerkel> Favorite lol hero...
[02:04] <imwoods> tinker is fucking SOLID to play as a beginner hero
[02:04] <imwoods> fyi
[02:04] <nerkel> :D
[02:04] <imwoods> he's like "Difficulty: Nightmare"
[02:04] <imwoods> I mean properly though
[02:04] <nerkel> oh
[02:04] <imwoods> not in bad pubs
[02:05] <imwoods> in a proper 5v5
[02:05] <imwoods> if not played properly he'll be useless
[02:05] <nerkel> I was also told that Sven was an easy to learn STR hero
[02:05] <imwoods> sven is retardedly easy
[02:05] <nerkel> and Skeleton King
[02:05] <imwoods> both
[02:05] <imwoods> are
[02:05] <imwoods> so noob friendly
[02:05] <imwoods> it's untrue
[02:05] <imwoods> but that's not the way to play
[02:05] <imwoods> you want to know how to play EVERY hero
[02:05] <nerkel> Whats a good noob friendly Int then
[02:05] <imwoods> zeus is cool
[02:05] <imwoods> his first spell (chain lightning) is straight outta lol
[02:05] <imwoods> it's a tiny mana cost
[02:06] <imwoods> spammable spell
[02:06] <imwoods> you use it to farm on mid
[02:06] <nerkel> :O
[02:06] <nerkel> Well, not as spammable as LoL i imagine
[02:06] <imwoods> leave it at level 1 skill
[02:06] <imwoods> you can do about
[02:06] <imwoods> 30 chain lightnings
[02:06] <nerkel> woah
[02:06] <imwoods> with starting regen and stuff
[02:06] <imwoods> it doesn't hurt much
[02:06] <imwoods> but it's nice for last hits
[02:06] <imwoods> vs strong last hitters
[02:06] <nerkel> yeah, I imagine
[02:07] <imwoods> and his ult
[02:07] <imwoods> is just like karthas?
[02:07] <imwoods> global nuke
[02:07] <nerkel> :O
[02:07] <nerkel> Fun
[02:07] <imwoods> but in dota it's instant the minute you press the button
[02:07] <imwoods> think it's karthas
[02:07] <imwoods> it's a global nuke
[02:07] <nerkel> yeah
[02:08] <nerkel> Karthus is the one
[02:08] <imwoods> yeah but it's instant
[02:08] <imwoods> the minute you press the button
[02:08] <nerkel> hehe
[02:08] <imwoods> he's a very weak
[02:08] <imwoods> difficult to master hero
[02:08] <imwoods> but very easy to play
[02:08] <imwoods> and puts out SOOOO much damage
[02:08] <nerkel> Ah o:
[02:08] <nerkel> How do you determine item effectiveness?
[02:08] <imwoods> how'd you mean
[02:08] <nerkel> Like, In LoL you usually only get 1-2 items to start with
[02:08] <nerkel> from the dota2 streams Im seeing 4, 5 items
[02:09] <imwoods> yeah
[02:09] <imwoods> it's the price
[02:09] <imwoods> in lol you've got
[02:09] <imwoods> health pots
[02:09] <imwoods> wards
[02:09] <imwoods> starting items
[02:09] <nerkel> and the basic dorans
[02:09] <nerkel> yeah
[02:09] <imwoods> in dota you've got +stat items (cheap)
[02:09] <imwoods> there's no dorans
[02:09] <imwoods> or anything like that
[02:09] <nerkel> yeah ,I figured
[02:09] <imwoods> it's +tiny stats
[02:09] <imwoods> and health/mana regen
[02:09] <imwoods> you can't give and take as much in DotA
[02:10] <nerkel> right right
[02:11] <nerkel> Whats the point of day/night
[02:11] <nerkel> I thought that looked a bit weird
[02:11] <imwoods> you get more
[02:11] <imwoods> line of sight
[02:11] <imwoods> in the day
[02:11] <imwoods> then at night
[02:11] <imwoods> (it's for ganking)
[02:11] <imwoods> also one hero
[02:11] <imwoods> relies on the night
[02:11] <imwoods> (night stalker / balanar) it makes him a LOT stronger (during the night)
[02:11] <nerkel> Nightstalker
[02:11] <imwoods> he's basically a vampire
[02:11] <imwoods> ye
[02:12] <nerkel> Crazy
[02:12] <imwoods> it's an after effect from wc3
[02:12] <imwoods> but it's a cool principle
[02:12] <nerkel> x3
[02:12] <imwoods> basically all your vision shrinks at night
[02:12] <imwoods> so you can't see potential ganks
[02:12] <nerkel> So you have to be more defensive
[02:12] <imwoods> potentially
[02:12] <nerkel> or gank
[02:12] <imwoods> bingo
[02:12] <imwoods> you're getting it already
[02:12] <imwoods> depends on your hero
[02:12] <nerkel> :3
[02:12] <imwoods> and your role
[02:12] <nerkel> Right
[02:13] <nerkel> Well, that was adorable
[02:13] <nerkel> Just saw Tinker summon the goblin army
[02:13] <imwoods> watching h4nn1s stream?
[02:13] <nerkel> Yeah
[02:14] <nerkel> He seems to know a lot
[02:14] <imwoods> ex dota pro
[02:14] <nerkel> I'm taking mental notes
[02:14] <imwoods> current hon pro
[02:14] <imwoods> h4nn1s role
[02:14] <imwoods> in teams
[02:14] <imwoods> is difficult
[02:14] <imwoods> he's really really good
[02:14] <imwoods> he plays how I aspire to play )
[02:14] <nerkel> :D
[02:14] <imwoods> although I can guarantee i'm better at some heroes than him :P
[02:14] <nerkel> He's using teleport scrolls to move around?
[02:14] <imwoods> no
[02:14] <nerkel> Do they last forever or are they a stack use item
[02:14] <imwoods> he has boots of travels
[02:14] <nerkel> Ahh
[02:14] <imwoods> they have one use
[02:14] <imwoods> tp scrolls
[02:14] <imwoods> 135g
[02:15] <imwoods> 1 use
[02:15] <imwoods> you can stack
[02:15] <imwoods> millions
[02:15] <imwoods> in one inventory slot
[02:15] <imwoods> but they have a cool down
[02:15] <imwoods> tinkers ult
[02:15] <nerkel> I hear they're crucial to getting back into
[02:15] <imwoods> refreshes all of his skills
[02:15] <nerkel> OH
[02:15] <imwoods> and items
[02:15] <nerkel> His ult
[02:15] <imwoods> yeah
[02:15] <nerkel> so he can use the boot of travels
[02:15] <nerkel> more than once
[02:15] <imwoods> he can use it
[02:15] <imwoods> whenever
[02:15] <imwoods> aslong as he has the mana
[02:15] <imwoods> to ult
[02:15] <imwoods> and tp
[02:15] <nerkel> wooow
[02:15] <nerkel> That's pretty good
[02:15] <imwoods> like I said
[02:15] <imwoods> heroes amazing
[02:15] <imwoods> very difficult to master
[02:15] <imwoods> you literally
[02:15] <imwoods> can keep someone disabled
[02:15] <imwoods> forever
[02:15] <imwoods> if you have the mana
[02:16] <nerkel> Nothing against Riot, but this is beyond LoL champ design
[02:16] <imwoods> because of that ultimate
[02:16] <imwoods> LoL champ design was dumbed down for bad players
[02:16] <imwoods> I don't hate the players
[02:16] <imwoods> but that's what it was
[02:16] <nerkel> yeah
[02:16] <imwoods> and too many people couldn't get into hon for fear of the difficulty
[02:16] <imwoods> are gonna get crapped on by dota2
[02:16] <imwoods> cos dota2 is gonna kill both hon & LoL
[02:17] <nerkel> I dunno about Lol, but Hon probably :X
[02:17] <nerkel> Thankfully, my money investment in LoL is minimal
[02:17] <imwoods> LoL will die
[02:17] <imwoods> I can guarantee it
[02:17] <imwoods> all players like you
[02:17] <imwoods> who actually now have faith
[02:17] <imwoods> in the company making dota
[02:17] <imwoods> will play it
[02:17] <imwoods> and think
[02:17] <imwoods> fuck me
[02:17] <imwoods> why did I ever play LoL
[02:17] <imwoods> )
[02:17] <nerkel> Well yeah, I plan to play dota2
[02:18] <nerkel> lol
[02:18] <imwoods> it's the honest truth
[02:18] <nerkel> I can hope
[02:18] <nerkel> x3
[02:18] <imwoods> because LoL albeit reasonably good
[02:18] <imwoods> is just so badly done
[02:18] <imwoods> in so many ways
[02:18] <imwoods> and all the fun that dota/hon have
[02:18] <imwoods> a lot of that has been sapped out of LoL
[02:18] <imwoods> to make the game noob friendly
[02:18] <imwoods> but after you've stopped being a noob
[02:18] <imwoods> you learn to love it
[02:18] <imwoods> doesn't take more then 100 games
[02:18] <imwoods> and there will be millions of people like you
[02:18] <nerkel> ah
[02:18] <imwoods> all having the same problems
[02:18] <nerkel> I only have 500 in Lol ;p
[02:18] <imwoods> learning the game
[02:19] <imwoods> if I sat
[02:19] <imwoods> on a VoIP server with you
[02:19] <imwoods> and play through the game
[02:19] <nerkel> :O
[02:19] <imwoods> I could get you to the equivalent of mid level DotA2 support play
[02:19] <imwoods> with no problems
[02:19] <nerkel> Nice
[02:19] <imwoods> it's who you're taught by
[02:19] <nerkel> That makes me feel a bit better
[02:19] <imwoods> and what you're taught
[02:19] <imwoods> don't be daunted
[02:19] <imwoods> just learn to play a role
[02:19] <imwoods> and become good at it
[02:19] <imwoods> every hero in dota2 can win the game if played properly
[02:19] <nerkel> Yeah
[02:19] <imwoods> and every hero can lose it if played incorrectly
[02:20] <imwoods> massive team game
[02:20] <nerkel> yeahhh
[02:20] <imwoods> you wouldn't have
[02:20] <imwoods> these worries
[02:20] <nerkel> Are there any heroes that specifically jungle so they can gank?
[02:20] <imwoods> yeah
[02:20] <imwoods> natures propheyt
[02:20] <imwoods> enchantress
[02:20] <imwoods> chen
[02:20] <imwoods> er
[02:20] <imwoods> can't think of more off the top of my head
[02:20] <nerkel> Yeah, I saw chen can make the jungle creep his minions
[02:21] <nerkel> I hear he's a hard to master champ too
[02:21] <imwoods> he's
[02:21] <imwoods> ridiculously hard to play
[02:21] <imwoods> and also
[02:21] <imwoods> my favourite hero
[02:21] <imwoods> )
[02:21] <nerkel> x3
[02:21] <imwoods> I play that role
[02:21] <imwoods> jungle gankers
[02:21] <imwoods> chen furion enchantress
[02:21] <imwoods> tempest
[02:21] <imwoods> etc
[02:21] <imwoods> there are a lot of junglers in dota
[02:21] <nerkel> Also, uh
[02:21] <imwoods> but it's more difficult to jungle
[02:21] <nerkel> whats this "shitty wizard" that every hero has in it's sound file
[02:22] <imwoods> don't know
[02:22] <imwoods> if I knew
[02:22] <imwoods> i'd probs be in the beta
[02:22] <nerkel> xD
[02:22] <nerkel> Yeah, true
[02:22] <imwoods> but i'm just another desperately waiting person
[02:22] <nerkel> Ah
[02:22] <imwoods> being nice to people on the off chance they have a key
[02:22] <nerkel> I can't wait to get in
[02:22] <nerkel> If I get a key, I'll make sure to forward it to you
[02:22] <imwoods> appreciated
[02:22] <nerkel> You've really been helpful to me
[02:22] <imwoods> dw though
[02:22] <imwoods> now this is the thing
[02:22] <imwoods> if valve
[02:22] <imwoods> actually reward
[02:22] <imwoods> helpful people
[02:22] <imwoods> I could dedicate my time to it
[02:23] <imwoods> but most of these games don't
[02:23] <nerkel> There's that Karma system
[02:23] <nerkel> I keep hearing about
[02:23] <imwoods> well
[02:23] <imwoods> if I could stream
[02:23] <imwoods> i'd do what day9 did with sc2
[02:23] <imwoods> but with dota2
[02:23] <imwoods> i'm not good enough to be a pro
[02:23] <imwoods> yet
[02:23] <imwoods> but I can play in games with them
[02:23] <nerkel> Yeah
[02:23] <imwoods> and not be a drag on their games
[02:24] <nerkel> :3
[02:24] <nerkel> That's good
[02:24] <imwoods> but I can't stream
[02:24] <imwoods> )
[02:24] <imwoods> i'm on the equivalent of third world internet
[02:24] <nerkel> aw :(
[02:25] <nerkel> I have a medium to low end computer
[02:25] <nerkel> It can run games, it can't stream
[02:25] <imwoods> ah iv'e got a beast
[02:25] <imwoods> with a crap net connection
[02:25] <nerkel> xD
[02:25] <nerkel> It's my dream to own a high end computer or laptop
[02:25] <imwoods> get a job then buddy
[02:25] <imwoods> and you'll be alright