[00:33:37] <Warod> Hi there.
[00:34:10] <screensilently> hi Warod
[00:34:49] <screensilently> what's the name of the flower on your hostname?
[00:37:17] <Warod> I'm not quite sure what you actually asked. :P
[00:38:01] <screensilently> you connected from "lakka.kapsi.fi"
[00:38:08] <screensilently> do you know what's the name of the flower there?
[00:38:37] <Warod> In english? Cannot remember what lakka is in english.
[00:39:16] <Warod> Couldberry according to dictionary. :)
[00:39:53] --> davidjr621 (~davidjr62@unaffiliated/davidjr621) har blitt med i #globalshellz
[00:39:54] *** Modus #globalshellz +v davidjr621 av EmperorPalpatine
[00:40:04] <screensilently> yes, got it. it's a cloudberry
[00:40:14] <screensilently> it's quite strange
[00:40:18] <Warod> how so?
[00:41:05] <davidjr621> lookin like US Servers down?
[00:41:06] <screensilently> it's the first time i see such a flower
[00:41:12] <davidjr621> or am i just not able to conneect?
[00:41:40] <screensilently> davidjr621: it seems up
[00:41:51] <-- DaFrog^ (~DaFrog@0x55528f55.adsl.cybercity.dk) har avsluttet (Remote host closed the connection)
[00:42:06] <screensilently> ssh at least
[00:42:07] <Warod> screensilently: It's more widely known as a tasty berry than a flower. I bet most people who eat it doesn't really mind the flower part of it at all. :P
[00:42:10] <screensilently> i don't have an account
[00:42:16] <davidjr621> screensilently: what about US ZNC?
[00:42:24] <Warod> grows on swamp areas
[00:42:29] <Warod> on northern Finland
[00:42:44] <screensilently> Warod: It's actual name is Rubus chamaemorus as i see in wiki
[00:42:55] <davidjr621> * Connecting to us.gshellz.org (208.73.217.107) port 8500...
[00:42:55] <davidjr621> * Connection failed. Error: Connection timed out
[00:42:59] <davidjr621> 5 attempts
[00:43:01] <davidjr621> same error
[00:43:10] <davidjr621> so i assume its down
[00:43:17] <Warod> screensilently: btw, how much users does globalshellz have?
[00:43:26] <wims_> zetas is not online = us server down
[00:43:51] <screensilently> Warod: I don't even have a shell acount lol
[00:43:54] <screensilently> i'm not an admin
[00:44:07] <Warod> do you have any idea, though?
[00:44:20] <Warod> 100s? 1000s? 10 000s?
[00:44:28] <wims_> much less than 1000
[00:44:34] <Warod> meh
[00:44:43] <screensilently> i don't have an idea
[00:44:54] <Warod> wims: any clue whre I can find a big one?
[00:44:58] <Warod> where*
[00:45:04] <wims_> no
[00:45:09] <wims_> what do you need a big one for
[00:45:31] <Warod> to talk about linux kernel problems on such environment
[00:45:31] <wims_> sounds shady
[00:45:34] <wims_> to say the least
[00:45:35] <wims_> ok
[00:45:37] <screensilently> any good comedy movie recomendations?
[00:45:49] <Warod> I _know_ linux doesn't scale well on shell servers. :)
[00:46:10] <wims_> shellium has a bunch, but its currently down
[00:46:14] <wims_> for the last few months
[00:46:29] <Warod> I _know_ you'll end up banging your head to the wall with linux eventually. :)
[00:46:56] <wims_> you recommend bsd?
[00:47:02] <Warod> it's even worse.
[00:47:52] <screensilently> and the what?
[00:48:07] <Warod> I know some universities which run Solaris on big multi-user environments.. but I'm not willing to pay for Solaris just yet. :)
[00:48:17] <wims_> you can get free solaris
[00:48:20] <wims_> opensolaris
[00:48:24] <Warod> dead
[00:48:28] <screensilently> SolarisSucks = SS
[00:48:39] <wims_> they have something new that is free as well
[00:48:42] <wims_> if im not mistaken
[00:48:46] <Warod> There is OpenIndiana, yes.
[00:48:54] <wims_> solarisexpress or whatev
[00:48:55] <Warod> Good for storage.
[00:49:08] <screensilently> what package manager open solaris use?
[00:49:11] <Warod> express has evil lisence
[00:49:17] <Warod> screensilently: pkg
[00:49:24] <Warod> screensilently: it's very nice
[00:50:12] <Warod> screensilently: You can do dist upgrade by telling pkg to make you new "boot environment" with newer release version.. then boot into it when you're ready. If it doesn't suit, boot back to the old one. :)
[00:50:42] <Warod> screensilently: Solaris is lightyears ahead of linux etc on few things.
[00:51:03] <Warod> pkg and BE are few to name
[00:51:03] <screensilently> sounds cool
[00:51:19] <Warod> ZFS also
[00:51:39] <Warod> we run OpenIndiana ( a community for of opensolaris ) as a storage server.
[00:52:17] <Warod> provides NFS to the shell and web servers.
[00:53:13] <screensilently> Warod: do you have any solaris server that you can give me a temporary shell?
[00:53:19] <Warod> no
[00:53:47] <screensilently> cool ;)
[00:53:47] <Warod> screensilently: Install OpenIndiana on your own desktop in VirtualBox or such
[00:54:07] <Warod> takes some time to get used to it
[00:54:24] <Warod> like... some... time.. ;P
[00:54:36] <Warod> depending on how much you've been with other unixes besides linux lately
[00:54:45] <screensilently> i'm downloading the serv iso of indiana
[00:54:57] <Warod> yeah
[00:56:48] <screensilently> i will try it tommorrow
[00:56:52] <screensilently> going to see a movie
[00:56:53] <screensilently> cya
[00:57:17] <Warod> you'll do well if you know: pkg, svcs -a, svcadm, svccfg, svcprop, zpool and zfs
[00:57:30] <Warod> oh, and ipadm
[00:57:39] <Warod> and dladm
[00:57:44] <Warod> the last two are for networking
[00:58:54] <Warod> and after installing do: mv /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[00:59:17] <Warod> quick start self learning guide to Solaris. ;)
[01:00:40] <Warod> wims: do you know any more details about GS setup?
[01:01:54] <-> davidjr621 er nå kjent som davidjr6211
[01:06:15] <wims_> its debian
[01:06:26] <Warod> yeah, read as much from the wiki. :>
[01:06:30] <wims_> its run from http://darkholdings.com/
[01:06:33] <wims_> same owner
[01:06:39] <Warod> and it has a kernel with grsec
[01:06:42] <Warod> like we do
[01:08:05] <wims_> i dont really know anything else
[01:08:08] <wims_> not that i can think of
[01:10:42] <wims_> whats the name of your server / community?
[01:13:10] <Warod> Kapsi
[01:13:19] <Warod> www.kapsi.fi
[01:13:23] <wims_> kk
[01:13:35] <Warod> an association for finnish users
[01:13:52] <wims_> vittu perkele!
[01:13:54] <wims_> sorry
[01:13:59] <wims_> only finnish i know
[01:14:19] <Warod> you should try "vittu saatana"
[01:14:23] <Warod> sounds much better
[01:14:28] <wims_> rgr
[01:14:32] <wims_> i knew that one as well
[01:14:33] <Warod> "perkele" stands better on its own. ;)
[01:15:57] <Warod> but yeah, we have had our share of linux not scaling well. :)
[01:16:08] <Warod> last year we abadoned CFS scheduler
[01:16:15] <wims_> so now youre looking to other kernels?
[01:16:29] <wims_> how many users do you got?
[01:16:36] <Warod> some 3500
[01:16:39] <Warod> give or take
[01:16:40] <wims_> oh ok
[01:16:48] <wims_> thats quite a few
[01:16:52] <Warod> yeah
[01:17:13] <Warod> well.. quite basic HP DL 380 G5 server could take twice that... just that linux has bugs. :)
[01:17:39] <Warod> and we don't even enforce strict limits... I think process limits is 128 or something
[01:18:37] <wims_> thats quite unusual
[01:18:48] <wims_> on most freeshells they allow 2 processes or whatever
[01:19:15] <Warod> well.. Kapsi membership costs
[01:19:19] <wims_> okay
[01:19:21] <Warod> 35 eur / year
[01:19:32] <Warod> not bad though... all services considered. :)
[01:20:03] <wims_> cheaper than most other providers
[01:20:47] <Warod> 50 GB of space + 500 GB not seperately backuped. Two shell servers to use. Http vhosts with no other limits but "don't disturb others and obey the laws"
[01:21:15] <Warod> I think biggest single site hosted by a member consumes something like 30 TB of traffic per month
[01:21:24] <wims_> whoa
[01:23:54] <Warod> but yeah.. linux has good kernel versions and bad kernel versions.. we'd like to know what others use no big environments. :P
[01:24:45] <Warod> currently one guy is fixing some of the bugs on grsec.. PAX has quite a few. :P
[01:25:29] <Warod> we hit one while testing and now he found a bunch of similar bugs there. :)
[01:26:10] <Warod> See, no OS is perfect, no matter what they say. ;)
[01:26:26] <wims_> yeah