[17:37] landslide-zzzz: i got apex running.
[17:38] landslide-zzzz (~david@203-206-61-8.dyn.iinet.net.au) is now known as landslide
[17:38] landslide: though i used crosstool ;)
[17:46] rwhitby-away: what differs?
[17:48] rwhitby-away: what do we need to change in the .bb to match it?
[17:52] koen|sleep (~koen@cl-148.ams-05.nl.sixxs.net) is now known as koen
[17:53] landslide: i'm not sure.
[17:53] landslide: i'll have a look into it.
[17:53] landslide: only just got it working 5 mins ago
[17:56] landslide: i am fairly new to all this ;)
[17:56] landslide: i'm an application developer so this system programming stuff is a little foreign to me :)
[18:05] rwhitby-away: ok, be sure to run it past [g2] and beewoolie
[18:10] landslide: when do they get on here?
[18:10] landslide: apex doesn't support ethernet yet does it?
[18:13] dyoung: i had the same issue.
[18:13] dyoung: my crosstool one worked; while my oe built one didnt
[18:13] dyoung: But the OE compiler works for [g2] .
[18:16] landslide: that's weird
[18:17] landslide: because i tried the raw apex source
[18:17] dyoung: me too
[18:17] dyoung: i meant using the OE compiler.
[18:17] landslide: and configured it to use the openslug cross compiler and it produced the same gdb output and failed to work
[18:17] dyoung: not the apex bb which I've not tried yet
[18:17] dyoung: oh, sorry I misunderstood
[18:17] dyoung: yeah, Me too!
[18:17] landslide: i've tried apex bb aswell
[18:17] landslide: it did the same thing.
[18:17] dyoung: so I thought I wasnt licking it right.
[18:18] landslide: i'm not sure what licking is.
[18:18] landslide: it is the cross compiler that is the problem.. no doubt from what i have seen.
[18:18] dyoung: Its from a stupid american TV show.
[18:18] dyoung: Beavis and Butthead.
[18:18] landslide: nothing to do with the build environment.
[18:18] landslide: oh i see ;)
[18:18] dyoung: they were licking toads to catch a buzz.
[18:19] landslide: hahaha. hope it wasn't the poisen dart ones.
[18:19] dyoung: but one guy wanst getting buzz, so the other guy told him," maybe youre not licking it right!"
[18:19] landslide: hahaha.
[18:19] landslide: so how come the cross compiler sits in the openslug directory?
[18:20] dyoung: I dunno what the story is with the compilation though.
[18:20] dyoung: oh because thats the OE armeb compiler.
[18:20] dyoung: OE compiles its own compiler for the builds
[18:20] dyoung: so you actually have 2.
[18:20] dyoung: 3
[18:20] landslide: but it's under the openslug directory, it's critical so why not make a cross folder under /home/slug
[18:20] dyoung: its part of OE
[18:20] dyoung: you have 3 copilers in /home/slug .
[18:21] landslide: oh sheesh i see
[18:21] landslide: where is the OE compiler
[18:21] landslide: ?
[18:21] dyoung: which one?
[18:21] dyoung: theres one in unslung which is built for 2.4.22/2.2.5
[18:21] dyoung: then the openslug one which is 3.4.something/glibc-newer
[18:21] landslide: i haven't compiled unslung. only openslug
[18:21] dyoung: (I dont remember the exact version)
[18:22] landslide: 3.4.4 under openslug.
[18:23] landslide: that's 2.. what about number 3...
[18:38] dyoung: optwarea
[18:38] dyoung: optware has crosstool in it
[18:40] landslide: ah ok
[18:40] landslide: i haven't compiled optware. so it's not there.
[18:40] landslide: so I only have the openslug compiler and crosstool
[19:04] landslide: who can i speak to about issues in apex? i think i've found some problems.
[19:06] dyoung: what are they?
[19:06] dyoung: Beewoolie is your man.
[19:06] dyoung: but [g2] and myself have played with apex too.
[19:07] landslide: u know how i have a 128mb slug (4 x 256mbit).
[19:08] landslide: i set the bank size to 0x04000000 and enabled the second bank
[19:08] landslide: then compiled
[19:08] landslide: when i do version i get this
[19:08] landslide: memory:
[19:08] landslide: 0x0 0x02000000 (32 MiB)
[19:08] landslide: 0x4000000 0x02000000 (32 MiB)
[19:08] landslide: nor: 8MiB total 32B write buffer
[19:08] landslide: region 0: 64 blocks of 131072 (0x20000) bytes
[19:08] landslide: cpu: id 0x690541f1 ctrl 0xafa cpsr 0x200000d3
[19:09] landslide: it still thinks they are 32MiB yet the second bank starts at 64MiB.
[19:09] landslide: i'm going to trace through the code and work out what's going on.
[19:10] dyoung: yeah, youre totally breaking new ground here.
[19:10] landslide: yep...
[19:10] dyoung: this was only tested to 64MB
[19:10] landslide: it looks like it half works hehe
[19:11] dyoung: its supposed to work for memory sizes up to the maximum.
[19:11] landslide: i'm sure the SDR_CONFIG register is fine.. it seems to assertain that ok.
[19:11] landslide: yeah the code i've seen so far looks ok.
[19:11] dyoung: Beewoolie is gonna be your man. You can find him here or more likely in #openjtag.
[19:12] landslide: ok, the code is really neato.. i like it alot.
[19:13] landslide: services and the monitor is nice and simple though I noticed the backspace is not working.
[19:17] rwhitby-away: NAiL: jbowler-zzz: looks like when we add stuff to openslug-packages.conf, we need to add it to ucslugc-packages.conf too.
[19:20] DaKa2: pc133 2-2-2 sdram chips should work on the slug right?
[19:23] dyoung: I dunno the 2-2-2 spec. but the micron 16M16 PC133 should work.
[19:24] dyoung: or 32M16 if youre extreme.
[19:24] DaKa2: I've found some 32M8
[19:26] rwhitby-away: landslide: we really should discuss this in #openjtag, so that Beewoolie see the discussion in the logs
[19:31] dyoung: 32M8 wont work right I think because the banking is setup wrong for the IXP.
[19:31] DaKa2: yup.. just found that in the ixp developer manual..
[19:31] rwhitby-away: guys: #openjtag !
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[20:16] NAiL: what'd I miss? ;)
[20:17] dyoung: nail, did you mean to unlink the 2.3-beta link and turn it into a directory?
[20:17] dyoung: for the feeds?
[20:18] NAiL: yes
[20:18] dyoung: Okay, all is right with the world then. :-)
[20:18] NAiL: otherwise my push would overwrite the unstable feed
[20:19] NAiL: I started pushing, and fortunately noticed that it complained about 2.3-beta existing but not being a directory
[20:19] dyoung: that message was probably the result of a mkdir -p
[20:19] NAiL: yes
[20:20] dyoung: rsync would have blown the link away I think
[20:20] dyoung: (but I dunno for sure)
[20:21] dyoung: btw, did your mail arrive yet?
[20:21] NAiL: I haven't checked, I'm not sure if todays mail has arrived
[20:21] dyoung: well, hopefully that package makes it there.
[20:22] dyoung: because I dont have any recourse.
[20:24] NAiL: I'll go check now
[20:26] dyoung: it should be soon, I've never had a lost package before (touch wood)
[20:26] NAiL: me neither
[20:27] dyoung: maybe they thought it was a WMD or something.
[20:27] NAiL: or it may be the customs delaying it for some reason
[20:28] dyoung: Hmm, could be, since I applied the standard dyoung customs devaluation formula.
[20:28] NAiL: what's that then?
[20:28] dyoung: But I've never been dinged on that before either.
[20:29] dyoung: well, when you provide a proforma invoice for customs purposes, its a standard practice to devalue the item down to the manufacturing cost.
[20:29] dyoung: so the value of the entire package was < $50; in an attempt to thwart you being billed VAT, etc
[20:29] NAiL: hmm
[20:30] dyoung: but again, I've never had an issue with that before.
[20:30] NAiL: You've never sent anything to Norway before, have you? ;)
[20:30] dyoung: Nope
[20:30] dyoung: only... be, fr, au, de, uk, jp, nz, ... I think thats it
[20:30] NAiL: I think the limit here is ~$25 before they'll charge me VAT though
[20:30] dyoung: se too
[20:31] dyoung: well, sorry if you get dinged for VAT.
[20:31] NAiL: which is about 25% :P
[20:31] NAiL: but that's not bad
[20:32] dyoung: well, hows about we just hope and pray (if you pray).
[20:33] NAiL: Can't say I do. But it's worth a shot :-P
[20:33] dyoung: I understand that praying to the Customs Gods might be effective.
[20:33] dyoung: heh
[20:33] dyoung: cursing the VAT Gods might help too.....
[20:35] NAiL ponders upgrading his pre-2.0 slug to 2.3-beta
[20:36] dyoung: GASP!
[20:36] dyoung: The package manager isnt running latest?!
[20:36] NAiL: The package manager
[20:36] NAiL: *was* running latest
[20:36] NAiL: until the iPod he was running it off died :P
[20:37] dyoung: oh. Hence the mail anticipation....
[20:37] NAiL: I'm left only with my prodslug
[20:37] NAiL: upgrading it will mean being without music for some time
[20:39] NAiL: oh well, I guess it's time for me to catch up with the times
[20:39] NAiL: (I bet 2.5-beta will be released later today :))
[20:39] dyoung: what happened to 2.4-beta ?
[20:39] NAiL: that's the unstable tree
[20:40] dyoung: Oh right.
[20:41] NAiL: oh
[20:41] NAiL: heh
[20:41] NAiL: I don't have upslug anymore :P
[20:41] dyoung: sure you do
[20:41] dyoung: its in you rbuild tree.
[20:42] NAiL: rbuild?
[20:43] dyoung: your build tree
[20:51] NAiL: urk
[20:51] NAiL: debians arping doesn't like -f
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[21:04] NAiL: Erasing flash
[21:04] NAiL crosses fingers
[21:06] NAiL: oh.. finish writing already!
[21:07] NAiL: yay
[21:17] NAiL: hmm..
[21:17] NAiL: now I can flash in-place
[21:20] kolla: mickey|TV: say.. I fixed pine to add the chappa-patches and various other patches.. transparency, forgiving support for long base64 encoded subjects, ldapsupport (also ldapv3) and various.
[21:21] kolla: NAiL: oh, and yus.. ccxstream works, I watches "a family guy" all night last night from my slug
[21:21] kolla: watched
[21:22] NAiL: neat
[21:22] NAiL tries the stable feed
[21:22] NAiL: Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/cross/2.3-beta/samba_3.0.14a-r8_armeb.ipk
[21:23] NAiL: Well, atleast it's *there* ;)
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[21:23] away: er..
[21:23] away (kolla@firda.uninett.no) is now known as kolla
[21:23] NAiL: heh
[21:24] kolla ponders on why he wrote "/nick away" instead of "/away"
[21:25] kolla: hm, something's fishy with the TERM=xterm, since screen resizes my window to width=80
[21:26] kolla: now I just need opengpg on the slug, I can basicly toss away that old noisy epia-box, hehe
[21:33] landslide: what are the type of memory chips in the slug by default?
[21:33] landslide: what does 4x16Mx16 mean?
[21:34] landslide: the new sdram in my slug are 4Mx16bitx4banks.
[21:34] landslide: how does that translate to the 4x16Mx16 format?
[21:35] DaKa2: 16Mx16 = 4Mx16bitx4banks, dunno about the 4x infront..
[21:37] DaKa2: the original in the slug are 2Mx16bitx4banks
[21:37] DaKa2: and I've managed to find a pile of them, so I might just upgrade a slug or two
[21:37] landslide: sweet.
[21:37] landslide: i'm trying to work out what the loader is doing.
[21:38] DaKa2: couldn't find any 16Mx16, only 8Mx16.. so.. 64M for me :(
[21:38] landslide: bummer.
[21:38] landslide: but 64mb is twice the standard.. not bad.
[21:38] DaKa2: yep..
[21:39] DaKa2: but a pile of 32Mx16 wouldn't hurt :-)
[21:40] landslide: i think 4x16Mx16 is if you have 4 chips
[21:40] landslide: 2x16Mx16 is when you have 2 chips.
[21:40] DaKa2: ahh
[21:42] landslide: i think i worked it out
[21:42] landslide: a special bit must be set in SDR_CONFIG for 64Mbit.
[21:42] landslide: ahuh.
[21:43] landslide: actually that's not it.
[21:43] landslide: that's for SMALL ram chips.
[21:43] DaKa2: you are running with SDR_CONFIG 011?
[21:43] landslide: yep
[21:44] landslide: i'm trying to understand the memory block driver's memory_scan() function in apex.
[21:53] DaKa2: hm.... KVR133X64C3/128 seems to be made up of four 16Mx16 chips
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[22:00] NAiL: hmm
[22:01] NAiL: I though wget was 'fixed' with u-a?
[22:01] DaKa2: NAiL: uhm, yes?
[22:01] NAiL: DaKa2: ping?
[22:01] NAiL: aha
[22:01] NAiL: ok, just not in 2.3-beta then
[22:01] DaKa2: nope..
[22:01] DaKa2: got it in a few days after 2.3-beta got split of
[22:02] DaKa2: so its in 2.4
[22:03] NAiL: now it's in 2.3 ;)
[22:03] DaKa2: :)
[22:03] NAiL: I'm on a package-testing-spree for 2.3-beta
[22:03] NAiL: btw, you forgot to bump PR while updating :P
[22:04] DaKa2: what? no?
[22:04] NAiL: yes
[22:04] NAiL: both versions were r1
[22:04] DaKa2: on wget?
[22:04] NAiL: yeah
[22:04] DaKa2: uhm..
[22:04] NAiL: both the one in my 2.3 tree and in the current unstable had PR="r1"
[22:04] NAiL: but the unstable one had update-alternatives stuff
[22:05] landslide: alright i've had some success.
[22:05] landslide: memory:
[22:05] landslide: 0x00000000 0x08000000 (128 MiB)
[22:05] DaKa2: dammit, I did on all packages except wget, forgot that one
[22:06] NAiL: ;)
[22:06] DaKa2: landslide: nice, does linux use it all?
[22:07] landslide: haven't got that far yet
[22:08] landslide: but i the memoryscan writes 4 bytes on ever 1mbyte block and i can read them back
[22:08] landslide: so the ram is there and working.
[22:08] DaKa2: when you do, Im buying some 16Mx16
[22:08] landslide: i'll continue in openjtag...
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[22:12] becol_be: bwmon package fails to build
[22:12] NAiL: hmm?
[22:12] NAiL: how?
[22:12] NAiL: oh.. nothing provides?
[22:13] becol_be: no error in install phase
[22:13] NAiL: odd
[22:13] NAiL: ok, what error?
[22:13] becol_be: just i sec - i'm copy-pasting now ;-)
[22:14] NAiL: I made the package yesterday, so it's not exactly heavily tested :P
[22:14] becol_be: ERROR: function do_install failed
[22:14] becol_be: ERROR: see log in /home/benny/slug/openslug/openslug/tmp/work/bwmon-1.3-r0/temp/log.do_install.29719
[22:14] NAiL: copy the part from that log
[22:15] NAiL: last couple of lines should do
[22:15] becol_be: NOTE: Task failed: /home/benny/slug/openslug/openslug/tmp/work/bwmon-1.3-r0/temp/log.do_install.29719
[22:16] becol_be: from the logfile:
[22:16] becol_be: install: cannot create regular file `/home/benny/slug/openslug/openslug/tmp/work/bwmon-1.3-r0/image/usr/bin/bwmon': No such file or directory
[22:16] NAiL: oh
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[22:16] NAiL: duh
[22:16] becol_be: there is nu usr/bin and no usr in bwmon-1.3-r0/image
[22:17] NAiL: no, my ba
[22:17] NAiL: d
[22:17] becol_be: it's OK
[22:19] NAiL: There, it's in the tree. pull and try again
[22:20] kolla: maybe I will clock up my slug tonight
[22:20] landslide: ok i've got the bootloader working, what do i need to do in linux to get the ram working? ;)
[22:20] DaKa2: mem=128M or something to the kernel?
[22:21] landslide: is that all?
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[22:21] DaKa2: I have no idea
[22:21] landslide: ok hehe
[22:21] DaKa2: :)
[22:21] DaKa2: Im not the one with a 128Mb slug..
[22:21] VoodooZ: damn I hate monotone! I'm up to like 12th merge in a row and I didn't even change anything in the last 4 days!
[22:22] becol_be: @NAil: pull? how?
[22:23] NAiL: becol_be: make update
[22:23] VoodooZ: on a make update.
[22:23] VoodooZ: I've been told it's trying to merge with the common ancestor but It's driving me nuts.
[22:24] becol_be: thought so, but that fails (sry) monotone: misuse: no server given and no default server set
[22:24] NAiL: hmm
[22:24] NAiL: make setup && make update
[22:25] becol_be: nope
[22:25] becol_be: also tried make setup-unslung setup-openslug setup-ucslugc
[22:25] becol_be: && make update
[22:26] NAiL: hmm
[22:26] NAiL: what happens if you do cd openembedded; monotone pull ?
[22:26] becol_be: monotone: misuse: no server given and no default server set
[22:28] NAiL: hmm
[22:30] NAiL: omg, brilliant. "timezones" includes /one/ timezone file *per continent*
[22:30] NAiL: well.. ok... three for america
[22:33] NAiL: damn
[22:33] NAiL: the power just went out
[22:33] NAiL loves his ups
[22:36] NAiL: Weird
[22:36] NAiL: Atleast a couple of city blocks went out
[22:36] becol_be: where?
[22:37] NAiL: Trondheim, Norway
[22:37] NAiL: yesterday 180000 people lost power in Oslo
[22:37] becol_be: nice
[22:37] NAiL: Power outages are *rare* in norway
[22:37] DaKa2: fun :)
[22:38] DaKa2: and atleast as rare in sweden
[22:39] NAiL: now, where was I?
[22:40] becol_be: i think i found where it hits the fan
[22:40] landslide: anyone know why i would see this?
[22:40] landslide: Booting kernel at 0x00008000...
[22:40] landslide: Uncompressing Linux..........................................................
[22:40] landslide: crc error
[22:40] NAiL: becol_be: aha
[22:40] NAiL: where?
[22:40] landslide: -- System halted
[22:40] becol_be: make setup-monotone
[22:40] becol_be: gives error when:
[22:41] becol_be: monotone -d monotone/nslu2-linux.db pull monotone.nslu2-linux.org org.openembedded.* org.nslu2-linux.*
[22:42] becol_be: monotone -d monotone/nslu2-linux.db unset database default-include-pattern
[22:42] becol_be: gives:
[22:42] becol_be: monotone: misuse: no var with name default-include-pattern in domain database
[22:45] NAiL: anyone installed openssh recently?
[22:45] rwhitby-away: becol_be: upgrade to version 0.21
[22:48] becol_be: emerging monotone...
[22:49] rwhitby-away (~rwhitby@rwhitby.nslu2-linux) is now known as rwhitby
[22:50] becol_be: fuck - hav to re-emerge boost too - this can take while
[22:51] koen hugs apt-get
[22:53] DaKa2 kicks koen from his apt-get, MINE!
[22:53] rwhitby: becol_be: we try to keep this a PG-13 channel ....
[22:53] becol_be has time to fetch a beer while portage works
[22:53] becol_be: sry
[22:55] rwhitby: becol_be: np - I can't imagine how frustrating running Gentoo must be :-)
[22:56] NAiL: nah, gentoo is kinda nice
[22:56] NAiL: if you can handle waitingg
[22:56] NAiL: that's gentoo's most annoying feature
[22:56] rwhitby: which is slower - Gentoo builds or monotone updates?
[22:56] koen: NAiL: idiotic gentoo newbies are the most annoying feature
[22:56] rwhitby: NAiL: so are you adding all these new packages to ucslugc-packages.conf too?
[22:57] NAiL: rwhitby: no, thank you, will do.
[22:57] rwhitby: cause our ucslugc autobuilds are failing ... :-)
[22:57] NAiL: koen: that and ricers
[22:57] rwhitby: heh - love that page.
[22:58] koen: :)
[22:58] koen looks at his sparc5 running gentoo
[22:58] rwhitby: NAiL: we're gonna need to get together with jbowler and work out what to do about ucslugc-packages.conf, cause we're gonna be forever forgetting to add stuff to it, so we need to make it use openslug-packages.conf (which should be a superset of both).
[22:58] NAiL: rwhitby: well, after bwmon/ccxstream, I haven't added anything
[22:58] NAiL: rwhitby: agreed
[22:59] rwhitby: NAiL: it's failing on timezone and maybe openntpd now
[22:59] rwhitby: I wonder if we can just make ucslugc-packages.conf include openslug-packages.conf ...
[23:00] NAiL: argh
[23:00] NAiL: of course
[23:00] NAiL: I added the timezones deps to openntpd
[23:00] NAiL: man
[23:02] NAiL: ok, timezones added
[23:02] NAiL: timezones is a bit annoying though, because it only has 6 files
[23:03] rwhitby: NAiL: I'm adding a "BASE_DISTRO" variable, which defaults to ${DISTRO}, and is used in freeze.conf
[23:03] rwhitby: then we can set that to "openslug" in ucslugc.conf
[23:03] NAiL: sounds like a workable solution
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[23:12] rwhitby: So is openntpd an install and forget program?
[23:12] rwhitby: (i.e. does it require any configuration)
[23:12] NAiL: you have to set up timezones, and run update-rc.d
[23:13] NAiL: I haven't gotten around to setting up that part yet
[23:13] NAiL: timezones is *very* limited at the moment though
[23:13] NAiL: Infact, I don't think there's a tz file for australia at all
[23:13] NAiL: closest is tokyo
[23:14] rwhitby: yes there is, and it has all 9 timezones in it.
[23:14] NAiL: huh?
[23:14] rwhitby: timezones-australia
[23:14] NAiL: aaah
[23:15] NAiL: ok, so it's split thataway
[23:15] NAiL: then it makes sense
[23:18] landslide: what time do [g2] and beewoolie get on?
[23:18] rwhitby: landslide: middle of our night
[23:19] landslide: like 2-3am?
[23:19] rwhitby: let me check my logs
[23:19] landslide: k
[23:20] rwhitby: last time beewoolie was here was on Jul 28, 10am PST.
[23:21] landslide: ok.
[23:21] landslide: you know much about booting the kernel?
[23:21] rwhitby: looks like he normally comes by around 9-10am PST if when he shows.
[23:22] landslide: ok i might hang around for a while longer
[23:22] rwhitby: landslide: not when it doesn't work.
[23:22] landslide: hehe.
[23:23] rwhitby: well, I know how to binary sed the kernel such that it boots from a /linuxrc file in Unslung 1.0 instead of the Linksys initrd, but that's about it ...
[23:23] landslide: hehe.
[23:23] landslide: mine is not decompressing.
[23:24] landslide: so it must be reasing part of the linuxrc file.
[23:24] landslide: i might just flash it.
[23:24] landslide: i have jtag to recover.
[23:26] rwhitby: I doubt that ram vs flash matters
[23:26] becol_be: bwmon package now builds
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