* ChanServ gives voice to pins* ChanServ gives voice to pins* ChanServ gives voice to Dominian* ChanServ gives voice to pins* ChanServ gives voice to Dominianbronze WildPikachu: You here? bronze I'd like to suggest a mechanism for making the advocacy wars sane and in fact have them contribute to the civility and depth of the ##linux channel and community. We need the following technical capabilities - #1- automate accounts on linuxassist from people's identified freenode Identities, #2- have a mechanism in the linuxassist wiki where people can answer a poll and have that automatically generate a wikie page for that person showing how theybronze answered, AND allow them to select a reason for their answer, OR- Enter their own reason, OR - do both. Further, they can answer the poll as many times as they want, and each answer gets preserved, with its reason, like a news thread. Also each entry gets a unique id # so people can refer to each in in the IRC channel when they are discussing it. The idea here is that whenever these advocacy topics pop up in the channel, we can report the curbronze rent poll stats from linuxassist in the ##linux channel, and people can identify specific wiki entries by the ID#, so that others can read/share deeeper reasoning that IRC tends to lend itself to. A longer term discussion record will help people not have to repeat themselves, and reduce the level of purely emotional baiting.Dominian hrm.. tieing linuxassist.net into auth'd accounts would be toughbronze Dominian: not so hard.bronze Dominian: run a script on linuxassist which sends an email or a message to the new linuxassist user's freenode ID.bronze Dominian: or - run a bot on freenode which generates a unique linuxassist URL and sends it to a identified freenode use's nick via private message. bronze that unique temporary URL will only be seen by the specific freenode user, who automatically gets a linuxassist wiki account. Dominian You still have to have code in the linuxassist.net interface to deal with that code... verification, etcDominian WildPikachu: FYI, my name is spelled wrong under staff on linuxassist.net hehe its Dominian :Pbronze Dominian: the verification mechanism is "trust freenode's verification/auth' system and send messages to identified freenode nicks so only that person sees the information about their accountDominian Its still not as easy as you would thinkWildPikachu Dominian: you should have access to change it?Dominian WildPikachu: I should?Dominian hrmDominian WildPikachu: well the instant Dominion becomes available.. I'll group it :PDominian hrm I can create contentDominian but doens' tlook like I can edit existing contentbronze Dominian: in fact, using freenode to send an email to the freenode user is probably the desirable mechanism. Dominian bronze: again, how do you use freenode to send the email?Dominian We don't have access to servicesWildPikachu bronze: i was thinking about thatWildPikachu bronze: if we can get a bot linked to the site's dbWildPikachu would be awesomeDominian ayeDominian and have it 'check' with services that a user is registeredDominian but the user would have to specify an email addressbronze Dominian: I believe there is a way for any normal IRC user to send a private message to another user, which will go to their email if the receiving user has specified that.Dominian regular users can't seen hidden emailDominian bronze: IF they have.. tat's the pointDominian Don't want to assume they've turned on email memosDominian cause then you limit your functionalitybronze Dominian: if they haven't they get the message as a freenode/IRC private message(PM) so the end is the sameDominian WildPikachu: need to update the authorized bots too.. dircbot is history .. hehe eir is the man now!Dominian If that includes a unique dynamic and temp URL.. sure.. that'd workWildPikachu Dominian: all the ops should have access to change the site :)WildPikachu if not i'll prod rockroach to fixDominian WildPikachu: Well, I'm logged in nowDominian WildPikachu: and I can create.. but not editWildPikachu ok, one secDominian no worriesbronze WildPikachu: what language is the linuxassist wiki code written in? Dominian drupalWildPikachu Drupal atm, php afaikWildPikachu rockroach is the guy that migrated from tikiwiki :), we're seeing how it goesbronze Dominian: is drupal a language or a system? Dominian systemWildPikachu cmsDominian but its php afaikbronze kDominian WildPikachu: Wordpress!Dominian hehebronze php, eh? well I can wear gloves... :-) Dominian hehDominian I've been into django lately myselfDominian still don't have my head wrapped around it thoughbronze WildPikachu: is there any command line level access to the drupal stuff on linuxassist? bronze WildPikachu: or can it be maniplulated by modifying files? bronze Dominian: Django is my personal choice, but it looks like drupal has quite a large installed base. Dominian yep it doesDominian drupal is an old project still going strongbronze WildPikachu: Is the linuxassist drupal on a drupal hosting service-site or on a server that you have more direct access to, and insalled drupal onto? vorian asp ftw :PDominian hehDominian vorian: yOu just like to cause trouble don't yah!Dominian how are you vorian ?vorian Dominian: doing good :)* bronze relases an asp in vorian's bed. vorian you?vorian oh noes!bronze heh heh hehWildPikachu bronze: its one of our hosting servers, can do anything we wantWildPikachu Dominian: ...WildPikachu [16:45:48] roach: But what was he trying to edit.* WildPikachu shocks the asp in vorian 's bed to make it angrybronze Dominian: does drupal use a database for storing its content? WildPikachu as far as i know, it doesWildPikachu see ... i'm very easy what cms we use ... I just spent alot of time editing the contentWildPikachu but thats nearly as easy as copy-pasteWildPikachu so if someone has a better idea than drupal ... i'm up for it ... if you going to port the data over :)WildPikachu can even setup a vps for it if we need to do anything on the shell side of thingsrockroach Dominian: Trouble?* bronze sets up vorian on a date with Cleopatra.... she likes snakes......* vorian pulls out his aspx swordbronze rockroach: are there any command line utilities you can use on the drupal system to update content or administrate the system? rockroach bronze: I know you can use xml-rpc if you're using Drupal as a blog. Not sure about anything else that direction though.bronze rockroach: what db is being used on linuxassist for the content storage? rockroach bronze: mysqlbronze rockroach: Is there a specific mysql table for user accounts? Or an APi for adding users? bronze rockroach: just fyi if you dont have scrollback available, we have been discussing the idea of connecting ##linux-nicks with the linuxassist wiki.bronze rockroach: the idea is that freenode's auth/ID verification system can be piggybacked to leverage easy joining at linuxassist's web site