23:22 <@lkalif> suzyq: if you manage to get an official word on stock viewer code for 2.0 please let me know. i think they must've muted me or something
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23:22 < Techwolf> Hmm...the dropdown history tp bar doesn't work.
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23:23 <+llmerov> MichelleZ: we haven't talked about changes in policies
23:23 <@MichelleZ> Well Amanda Linden is making such statments to people
23:24 < suzyq> llmerov: understand.... i guess i'm saying that as soon as it is reasonably possible, i'd like viewer 2.0 mainlne source (and not have only SG 2.0 source). i recognize that there is a cleansing/export process that has to happen
23:24 <+llmerov> right now, the urgency was to rebase Snowglobe so we can work on the new viewer moving forward, not the 1.23 code base
23:25 <@MichelleZ> if its just a time and prioritys thing that is fine, but people are making statments on behaf of LL that sugguest otherwise
23:25 <+llmerov> I have to confess I solely focused on Snowglobe... and I had to to make that deadline...
23:25 * llmerov pants
23:25 <@MichelleZ> and its been stated that the opensource code eg snowglobe will be some "core" like webkit with non free stuff developed on top
23:25 < suzyq> poor llmerov
23:26 < suzyq> caught in the policy snarling
23:26 * Babyboy passes llmerov some coffee
23:26 * Techwolf paws llmerov an iv.
23:26 * suzyq passes llmerov some aspirin
23:27 < Babyboy> :p
23:27 <@MichelleZ> sorry llmerov , i am glad of _your_ effort at least
23:27 < Babyboy> hes setteld now :p
23:27 <+llmerov> the idea is to move to a "webkit" model, as Howard said
23:27 <+llmerov> but that'll take times
23:27 <@lkalif> so no stock viewer code drops?
23:27 <@MichelleZ> it sounds like us building our own viewers will become 3rd rate citizens
23:27 < Techwolf> That is bad, with the patches closed source, 64-bit builds are impossiable.
23:27 < suzyq> wow, some fun stuff in http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php as well
23:28 <+llmerov> MichelleZ: why? is Snowglobe 3rd rate?
23:28 <@MichelleZ> its not currently but if it becomes just a core it will be
23:28 <@lkalif> suzyq: i know, my text viewer now faisl half a dozen of those
23:28 <+llmerov> it's the same code as the darn beta viewer right this minute!
23:28 < Babyboy> (thats what i was saying) :p
23:28 < saijanai> key word is "right this minute"
23:28 < saijanai> key phrase*
23:28 < Techwolf> llmerov, how long before it devergis to the point of no return?
23:29 * MichelleZ waits for some explict french
23:29 < niaht> llmerov: I think that's what folks are worried about, if I am understanding correctly. That they won't get access to "features" present in the internal SL 2.0 code, via SnowGlobe.
23:29 < Babyboy> rofl
23:29 <@lkalif> lmao
23:29 <+llmerov> why that fear? I would understand if we had said: Snowglobe will continue with the 1.23 code base
23:29 < Techwolf> llmerov, be frank. YOu can't hurt these ears.
23:29 < niaht> because it's human nature
23:30 < suzyq> i want the main viewer code to help with debugging
23:30 <+llmerov> that's what we would have done if we had that nefarious plan
23:30 * llmerov is feeling the Frenchman coming to the surface... not pretty...
23:30 < niaht> yeah, and I don't see that happening.. seems to be the "same as it always was" but maybe somewhat less clutter :)
23:31 < Babyboy> but llmerov why are there 2viewers then? secondlife viewer 2.0 and snowglobe viewer 2.0 ? must be a reason,... and thats what people are speculation why this is :/
23:31 < Techwolf> llmerov, that means LL has to pay someone to re-based snowglobe every time a new viewer comes out. I wonder how long will LL pay that bill...
23:31 <+llmerov> well, for one, *I* am happy not to have to do those monster merges from internal branches to Snowglobe
23:31 <+llmerov> delivering today was a stretch but freeing me from impossible to manage merges is really priceless
23:31 < suzyq> it's really helpful to have two code bases to be able to build/test/debug against each other
23:32 <+llmerov> Techwolf: it's expensive only on big rewrite, like 2.0, and even that was not that expensive...
23:33 * Techwolf nods
23:33 < niaht> or to feel that you can satisfactorily peer through the door..
23:33 < Techwolf> I have the feeling the emerald guys are going to be busy for the next few days.
23:33 <+llmerov> ok guys, I need to restart that svn commit of the indra bits so it's there tonight
23:34 < niaht> have a blast! :D
23:34 <+llmerov> It's fun and good to chat but there's code to deliver if you don't mind
23:34 < Babyboy> Techwolf they talked about first doing snowglobe 1.3 then seeing what to do with 2.0
23:34 < suzyq> llmerov: i think monster merges are here to stay, no?
23:34 < suzyq> llmerov: peace.
23:34 < Babyboy> (witch make no sence for me but ... lol)
23:35 <+llmerov> suzyq: really, it'll be a billions times easier once we can move to hg all the way
23:35 < Techwolf> llmerov, will the svn.secondlife.com site be keeped or moved to hg.secondlife.com?
23:36 < suzyq> that's good to hear, llmerov. sorry to be pounding on you here. you be da man for the viewer.
23:37 * llmerov goes back to attend his svn... sorry to go dark a little...