Session Start: Fri Sep 18 21:18:10 2009
Session Ident: fae`liin_M`taali
01[21:18:15] <RingtailedFox> i'm irish, you moron
01[21:18:32] <RingtailedFox> plus, i live in ontario, the english part of canada
[21:18:38] <Fae`liin_M`taali> :P
Session Close: Fri Sep 18 21:18:58 2009
Session Start: Fri Sep 18 21:19:02 2009
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
[21:19:02] Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali (AnthroChat, RingtailedFox) (~o@naughty.foxkitty.nomnomcookies.org)
[21:19:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Get mad and I'll reset it.
[21:19:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Took a second to set and two to take off.
[21:19:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Grow a sense of humor.
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01[21:19:02] Fae`liin_M`taali on #yiff
01[21:19:02] Fae`liin_M`taali using otter.anthrochat.net AnthroChat, Texas
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Session Close: Fri Sep 18 21:19:13 2009
Session Start: Fri Oct 23 19:41:59 2009
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[19:42:00] <RingtailedFox> what's wrong?
[19:42:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Hmm?
01[19:43:27] <RingtailedFox> you have trolls bugging you?
[19:44:12] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Nope...I get along with everyone for the most part.
[19:44:19] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Sahoni is the one getting iRaped.
[19:59:33] <Fae`liin_M`taali> http://naughtyfoxkitty.notfurnet.com/
[19:59:39] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Serverlist is on the right.
01[19:59:42] <RingtailedFox> alrighty
01[20:00:08] <RingtailedFox> are you interested in a potential link up with another IRCnetwork?
06[20:01:17] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods, "We're always seeking to expand and such to better be of service...what did you have in mind?"
01[20:03:19] <RingtailedFox> well, my friend runs irc.digibase.ca and its network "DigitalNET"
01[20:03:27] <RingtailedFox> we're a furry-friendly network that keeps a low-key
01[20:03:28] <RingtailedFox> profile
01[20:03:37] <RingtailedFox> ahh.. if you wish, you can join #furry on irc.digibase.ca and talk to network owner kradorex
[20:05:07] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Hmm...I'll have to look into that. We're considering a restructure presently as well, so it's a very timely thought. ^^
06[20:05:15] * RingtailedFox nods
01[20:05:38] <RingtailedFox> i don't own an irc network, i just run the second-largest channel there... #furry. i simply moved there, and invited my furnet friends to join me after i was booted from the network
01[20:05:50] <RingtailedFox> rontosh j oined and soon linked up, and then my webhost (keiro) added an irc server of his own
[20:06:15] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Awww...that's really cook.
[20:06:20] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Err...cool*
[20:06:27] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Not going to eat you, I swear.
[20:06:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> :3
01[20:06:34] <RingtailedFox> there's just one potential issue: we already offer a full set of services and that would cause a conflict with your services
[20:07:00] <Fae`liin_M`taali> True..
[20:07:07] <Fae`liin_M`taali> What package? Anope?
01[20:07:16] <RingtailedFox> we're also working on a merger with MorphForest, another irc network
01[20:07:20] <RingtailedFox> ahh... i'm not sure.
01[20:07:22] <RingtailedFox> how would i find that out?
[20:07:42] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Easiest just to ask, probably.
[20:09:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Does the network allow SSL?
01[20:09:23] <RingtailedFox> yes, i do believe so
[20:09:25] <Fae`liin_M`taali> irc.digibase.ca is timing out. :o
01[20:09:31] <RingtailedFox> o.O
01[20:09:47] <RingtailedFox> irc.kitsuneparadise.com
01[20:09:48] <RingtailedFox> try that one
[20:11:01] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It's Unreal 3.2.x so the servers would merge just fine.
01[20:11:05] <RingtailedFox> sweet
[20:12:05] <Fae`liin_M`taali> We use 3.2.8.1, but 3.2.7 should be fine. There were some buffer-overrun issues with 3.2.7 or something, I guess...nothing commonly ran into or anything, though.
01[20:12:34] <RingtailedFox> i think he uses 3.2.8.1
[20:13:37] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Hmm...Kitsuria's /version said 3.2.7
01[20:13:42] <RingtailedFox> hmm
01[20:13:50] <RingtailedFox> keiro (owner of irc.shatteredtears.com) is going to visit
[20:13:55] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Either way, it should be fine; Otter.anthrochat.net uses 3.2.6
01[20:13:56] <RingtailedFox> he also hosts my website, mobianlegends.com
06[20:14:00] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods
01[20:14:01] <RingtailedFox> anthrochat's gay
[20:14:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It sucks pretty hard.
01[20:14:17] <RingtailedFox> almost as much as furnet
01[20:14:23] <RingtailedFox> so, we'll build a better furry network together
[20:14:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> But people seem to avoid small networks because there is more yiff on larger ones. c-c
[20:14:30] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Awesome. ^^
01[20:14:31] <RingtailedFox> we're about to get a whole lot bigger
01[20:14:38] <RingtailedFox> are you in kitsuneparadise or irc.shatteredtears.com?
[20:14:49] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Kitsuneparadise
01[20:14:58] <RingtailedFox> sweet
Session Close: Fri Oct 23 21:15:08 2009
Session Start: Wed Dec 30 23:03:17 2009
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[23:03:18] <RingtailedFox> murr
[23:03:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Hih
[23:03:30] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Hihi*
01[23:03:41] <RingtailedFox> ?/me snugs yau
06[23:03:46] * RingtailedFox snugs ya
01[23:03:50] <RingtailedFox> sorry, keyboard's dying
06[23:04:18] * Fae`liin_M`taali snugs back understandingly, "Mine's Finnish...no worries." :3
06[23:04:57] * RingtailedFox licks and nuzzles
06[23:34:51] * RingtailedFox pets
Session Close: Wed Dec 30 23:34:52 2009
Session Start: Wed Dec 30 23:44:51 2009
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
[23:44:51] Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali (AnthroChat, RingtailedFox) (~...@naughty.foxkitty.nomnomcookies.org)
06[23:44:51] * Fae`liin_M`taali petpets
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01[23:44:51] Fae`liin_M`taali on ~#Halcyon &#yiffcabin &#furrycoffeeshop
01[23:44:51] Fae`liin_M`taali using snowleopard.anthrochat.net AnthroChat, California
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06[23:46:50] * RingtailedFox licks
Session Close: Wed Dec 30 23:56:01 2009
Session Start: Thu Jan 21 19:44:07 2010
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[19:44:08] <RingtailedFox> heya
[19:44:16] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Hi..
01[19:44:24] <RingtailedFox> how are ya?
01[19:45:13] <RingtailedFox> murr?
[19:45:48] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm terrible, actually. You?
01[19:47:38] <RingtailedFox> so-so
01[19:47:40] <RingtailedFox> what's wrong?
01[19:53:53] <RingtailedFox> do you have any stories, art or music that need hosting? if not.. do you know anyone that does? i'm asking becusae i'm trying to get my website back up
[20:03:20] <Fae`liin_M`taali> ko7I'm in the same business, actually. ^^;
01[20:03:50] <RingtailedFox> what do you mean?
01[20:04:04] <RingtailedFox> http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/MobianLegends
01[20:04:17] <RingtailedFox> that's my website at the time of the unanticipated server move
[20:04:40] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I operate a webhosting outfit. :3
01[20:06:10] <RingtailedFox> link?
01[20:06:16] <RingtailedFox> perhaps we can pool our resources
[20:08:11] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm actually in the process of recreating the entire system...I'm about to get a much needed hardware upgrade soon, so the mainsite is still somewhat a mess as I'm retooling for a reopening. ^^;
01[20:09:55] <RingtailedFox> well, if yuo need a webhost...
01[20:10:03] <RingtailedFox> i picked out Lansing, Michigan-based CoreNetworks
01[20:10:05] <RingtailedFox> www.corenetworks.net
01[20:11:27] <RingtailedFox> you like my setup?
01[20:11:31] <RingtailedFox> well, my potential setup?
01[20:11:40] <RingtailedFox> i'm thinking on grabbing one of the discount dedicated servers
01[20:14:27] <RingtailedFox> murr?
[20:15:01] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It looks like a great host, actually. :o
01[20:15:27] <RingtailedFox> yeah
01[20:15:35] <RingtailedFox> downside is: becuase of hte l ow prices, you're on your own (no real form of tech support)
[20:15:36] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It's too bad their colo isn't ready yet...getting an octal Xeon server with 16Gb of DDR2. ^^
01[20:15:40] <RingtailedFox> *nods*
01[20:15:52] <RingtailedFox> so, did i help brighten up your day?
06[20:15:58] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods and hugs
[20:16:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's cool...Tech is my thing. ^^
06[20:16:04] * RingtailedFox hugs "i'm glad"
01[20:16:10] <RingtailedFox> would you be willing to assit me with my website?
01[20:16:14] <RingtailedFox> you saw what i want to offer
[20:17:20] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'd be happy to, but I still have to rewire my insfrastructure and everything. :3
[20:17:50] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm the sole staff-member for my operations aside from NotFurNet because I'm a wierdo and never think to ask. xD
01[20:44:51] <RingtailedFox> i'm the only staff member on my website becuase no one wants to ever help me with anything
01[20:44:54] <RingtailedFox> i'd love to host membres
01[20:45:22] <RingtailedFox> see, my friend wants to give me 1000 dollars towards the server bills for the year, but if we don' see any results from our labours (members, content, activity of any sort, projects, hosted stuff)... then we'll get shut down
06[20:46:32] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods o.o
01[20:47:00] <RingtailedFox> ?
01[20:48:11] <RingtailedFox> what did you mean?
[20:48:35] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's just...really cool, is all. :o
01[20:48:38] <RingtailedFox> i don't understand how websites like furspace, furaffinity, deviantart, sofurry are all so popular.. they offer the exact same shit as each other, and most of them suck so hard for various reasons
01[20:48:39] <RingtailedFox> how so?
01[20:48:46] <RingtailedFox> my friend said he'll cut the donations if we don't have any members
[20:49:16] <Fae`liin_M`taali> But that's awesome that he's willing to donate.
01[20:49:39] <RingtailedFox> yeh
[20:49:57] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I have trouble finding donors, but I can handle the tech in my sleep. x3
01[20:50:28] <RingtailedFox> if i can find hostees that need a home for their stuff, i'll be FINE
01[20:50:36] <RingtailedFox> but no one wants to help me with my site, or even visit it
01[20:50:39] <RingtailedFox> hell, not even my friends want to visit
[20:50:45] <Fae`liin_M`taali> o.o
01[20:50:49] <RingtailedFox> it's like anything im even remotely associated with is considered "bad"
01[20:50:58] <RingtailedFox> i'm always the only person doing everything./
[20:51:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> What sort of things do you need hosted? Or need help with?
[20:51:26] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Also: BRB little foxkitty's room. ^^
01[20:51:27] <RingtailedFox> i wanted to host other people
01[20:51:40] <RingtailedFox> i'll need help with setting up an icecast2 tv station
06[20:58:30] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods
[20:58:47] <Fae`liin_M`taali> So you're looking to host other people's content, or more artistic things?
01[20:58:50] <RingtailedFox> both
01[20:58:58] <RingtailedFox> i will also need help with setting up firewalls and other DOS/DDOS mitigation systems
[20:59:38] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Software or hardware? <question type="dumb" />
01[20:59:49] <RingtailedFox> ahh... software, i think
01[20:59:57] <RingtailedFox> i doubt i'll have a hardware firewall on the system there
[21:00:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Now that you mention it, that sounds about right.
[21:00:36] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Also...what OS do you plan on using?
01[21:01:37] <RingtailedFox> CentOS
[21:02:03] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Awesome. ^^
01[21:03:57] <RingtailedFox> hm?
01[21:04:05] <RingtailedFox> i will be getting cpanel, s well
[21:04:25] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Very nice. ^^
01[21:04:58] <RingtailedFox> i hope to offer email... but i don't know what else i'll need
01[21:05:04] <RingtailedFox> http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/MobianLegends
01[21:05:07] <RingtailedFox> check out the full list
01[21:05:09] <RingtailedFox> you might like it
06[21:06:41] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods will read now. ^^
[21:12:56] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It definitely appears to be a well-put-together operation. ^^
01[21:13:02] <RingtailedFox> it is
01[21:13:08] <RingtailedFox> but no one wants to give it a chance
[21:13:25] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's dumb. :/
01[21:14:14] <RingtailedFox> i know
01[21:14:18] <RingtailedFox> seems like assholery sells
[21:15:59] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Knowing Kisuka and Xeon personally, I'd have to say Kisuka is definitely an asshole. >.>
01[21:16:09] <RingtailedFox> who and who?
[21:16:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> The owners of FurSpace. We've partnered up somewhat.
01[21:16:57] <RingtailedFox> if they're assholes, why do that?
[21:17:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Xeon's a great guy and is really reasonable.
[21:17:22] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Kisuka is mostly a figurehead and pays the hosting for FurSpace.
01[21:17:51] <RingtailedFox> i'll host furspace if xeon wants.
[21:18:05] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Kisuka tried some dickish stuff once, and Xeon told him he can run FS without him if he did it again...since Kisuka really is a figurehead at best.
01[21:18:39] <RingtailedFox> and why did he keep kisuka around?
[21:19:06] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Because Kisuka pays the hosting bill and Xeon feels bad for him, mostly.
[21:19:34] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Kisuka's not the msot socially adept, and deals with the stress of college poorly...so things like "having 7000 users" goes to his head.
01[21:19:37] <RingtailedFox> why feel bad for someone that hates you?
[21:19:38] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Most*
01[21:19:54] <RingtailedFox> i'm not socially adept, and i don't act like an asshole to everyone i meet.
01[21:20:01] <RingtailedFox> you think i should?
[21:20:07] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No. xD
[21:20:12] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I like you because you're a sweetheart.
01[21:20:21] <RingtailedFox> we rarely talk, though
[21:20:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Kisuka sucks at dealing with stress.
[21:20:26] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Yeah. :/
01[21:20:31] <RingtailedFox> i thought you seem completely uninterested in talking with me, or evne didn't like me.
[21:20:35] <Fae`liin_M`taali> o.o
[21:20:43] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Nononono...I'm jsut constantly busy. >.O
[21:20:51] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm coding 2/3 of the time.
01[21:20:52] <RingtailedFox> then at least say that
06[21:21:22] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods, "I didn't realize you enjoyed talking to me...I guess I got the wrong impression." ^^;
[21:21:31] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'll be sure to talk more. ^^
01[21:22:14] <RingtailedFox> i do like talking with ya
01[21:22:19] <RingtailedFox> and yiffing... you're a nice guy
[21:22:49] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Awwwwwww...likewise, sweety. ^^
06[21:22:52] * Fae`liin_M`taali blushes
06[21:22:56] * RingtailedFox wags
01[21:23:09] <RingtailedFox> can you tell your friends about my website?
06[21:24:20] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods and huggles tightly, "Sure! I'll even put it in the entry message of #Halcyon for you." ^^
06[21:24:28] * RingtailedFox purrs "thanks"
01[21:26:00] <RingtailedFox> http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/MobianLegends#Webhosting
01[21:30:15] <RingtailedFox> i'd like that if you put the site in the entry message
06[21:31:00] * Fae`liin_M`taali topic'd it. ^^
06[21:31:16] * RingtailedFox blushes and hugs tight
01[21:31:16] <RingtailedFox> thankies
06[21:31:57] * Fae`liin_M`taali snuggles back, "No problem, sweets." ^^
[21:33:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Oh...the links on the wikifur are throwing up the "it works" cPanel message.
01[21:33:18] <RingtailedFox> yes
01[21:33:20] <RingtailedFox> i know
06[21:33:34] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods and licks
06[21:33:38] * RingtailedFox licks
01[21:33:49] <RingtailedFox> is stream always a dick?
[21:35:16] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No...he wasn't being serious at all. o.o
01[21:35:28] <RingtailedFox> that's the problem.
01[21:35:32] <RingtailedFox> people should learn to be serious at times
[21:35:34] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I think he figured you were playing along. He's actually not a dick at all.
01[21:35:35] <RingtailedFox> life isn't a game
01[21:35:52] <RingtailedFox> i'm not playing anything
06[21:35:53] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods
01[21:36:04] <RingtailedFox> i'm quite enraged and sad right now beucase everything i do ends in failure
[21:36:30] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Erf...I had not realized you were upset, sweety. >.<
06[21:36:32] * Fae`liin_M`taali squeezes
01[21:41:10] <RingtailedFox> if you get tired of the netsplits, you guys can join palace.morphforest.com... it's where my channel (#furry) is currently at
06[21:41:46] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods softly
[21:42:40] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I've been pondering moving things over to NFN...it would be a lot more lively. Erik_Mouse came over for a while...but I never really knew why.
01[21:43:15] <RingtailedFox> becuasei told him about your network :)
[21:43:48] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Awww...thanks. ^^
01[21:44:15] <RingtailedFox> would you be interested in a potential link-up? once i get my irc server, i was thinkingon linking it with morphforest, but i may go with your network instead.. that or we could merge both
[21:45:48] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm open to ideas, definitely. ^^
01[21:46:35] <RingtailedFox> we could probably get negotiations for a merger underway... if not, i'll still link up withya
06[21:47:31] * Fae`liin_M`taali nodnods, "That would be really cool; we're always looking for equitable merges." ^^
06[21:47:56] * RingtailedFox pets
06[21:49:15] * Fae`liin_M`taali hugs
06[21:51:28] * RingtailedFox hugs back
01[21:52:15] <RingtailedFox> the main problem is, i've been trying hard for years to get a website going
01[21:52:29] <RingtailedFox> people everywhere are telling me to give up, or that some people are not meant to be good webmasters..
06[21:52:41] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods softly and whimpers
[21:52:44] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's no good...
01[21:52:47] <RingtailedFox> i even have a starfox erotic fanfic repository that i inherited from Geocities... (Queer as Lylat)
01[21:52:48] <RingtailedFox> i knwo
01[21:53:03] <RingtailedFox> i took a break from 2006-2008, hoping things would cool off and let me resume.. but i suppose i was wrong
[21:54:05] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Why do you feel that way? D:
01[22:03:36] <RingtailedFox> well, no one seems to like what i have ot offer
06[22:04:16] * Fae`liin_M`taali squeezes softly and whimpers, "Awwr...mayhaps you've just met the wrong audience by chance." :/
06[22:04:53] * RingtailedFox shrugs
06[22:04:55] * RingtailedFox licks softly
01[22:05:06] <RingtailedFox> would you be willing to ask your friends at furspace if they can help me get some traffic?
01[22:05:15] <RingtailedFox> even a formal lalliance or link exchange too
06[22:05:43] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods, "I'll talk to Xeon and see what I can do." ^^
01[22:05:58] <RingtailedFox> thanks
[22:13:35] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No problem. ^^
[22:13:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I always do what I can to help friends out.
01[22:14:45] <RingtailedFox> i appreciate it
01[22:18:21] <RingtailedFox> now, what can i do for you in return?
[22:23:51] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You don't have to repay me, sweety...I'm awkward with things like that in truth.
01[22:30:20] <RingtailedFox> oh ok
[22:31:12] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I don't know how to recieve gifts. :s
06[22:46:02] * RingtailedFox pets
01[23:02:38] <RingtailedFox> anyway, if you and erik are up for discussing merger details, he's here
01[23:02:44] <RingtailedFox> well, on NFN
01[23:22:05] <RingtailedFox> here's what i told erik: i'm sure if we were to merge, we'd be able to shut down services, and have him (you) sync everything by adding the data from our network into his (nickserv and chanserv, mostly)
01[23:22:10] <RingtailedFox> would that be difficult to do?
01[23:22:59] <RingtailedFox> and does your network allow yiff rooms?
[23:23:10] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Synching together services databases? Not if we're using the same version of anope. :3
01[23:23:17] <RingtailedFox> anope?
[23:23:18] <Fae`liin_M`taali> We allow anything so long as it's not FBI bait.
01[23:23:24] <RingtailedFox> erik uses unrealircd, i think
[23:23:29] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Yeah.
[23:23:34] <Fae`liin_M`taali> We do too.
01[23:23:37] <RingtailedFox> ok
[23:23:43] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Anope is a services package.
06[23:24:13] * RingtailedFox nods
[23:25:12] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Do they use Anope with MySQL?
[23:25:17] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Or Anope flatfiles?
01[23:25:21] <RingtailedFox> ik dunno. i think you'l have to ask erik
[23:25:43] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Okies
[23:25:48] <Fae`liin_M`taali> GOOD IDEA. xD
06[23:25:50] * Fae`liin_M`taali hugs
06[23:26:01] * RingtailedFox hugs
01[23:26:02] <RingtailedFox> i'm sorry
01[23:26:06] <RingtailedFox> he just knows the servers better than i do
[23:26:14] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It's silly that I'm talking to him about nothing and asking you all the technical details. xP
[23:26:19] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Nono...nothing to be sorry for.
01[23:26:19] <RingtailedFox> lol
01[23:26:21] <RingtailedFox> ok
Session Time: Fri Jan 22 00:00:09 2010
01[00:40:37] <RingtailedFox> erik brought up a minor issue.. my channel is #furry on morphforest.. and he saw you have it forbidden here
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[12:27:17] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Oh.
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01[12:27:20] <RingtailedFox> ?
[12:27:21] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I can undo that.
[12:27:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I t was to prevent the one here
01[12:27:41] <RingtailedFox> oh ok
[12:28:15] <Fae`liin_M`taali> The #furry here is a channel sull of wanna/b/ people.
[12:28:26] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Let me remove that restriction. ^^
01[12:29:08] <RingtailedFox> ok
[12:30:31] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Fix'd
01[12:39:21] <RingtailedFox> so, whatcha up to?
01[12:39:26] <RingtailedFox> did you hear back from furspace yet?
[12:40:06] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Not yet...I'm going to see if I can prod Xeon on MSN after I get out of the shower.
01[12:40:50] <RingtailedFox> thanks
01[12:41:33] <RingtailedFox> if they decline, that's it. game over. they had their chance at getting a furry radio station and furry tv station, and they blew it. i;m so fucking sick of people. now i see why there are so many despotic dictators and crazies in the world that want to kill everyone
01[13:06:06] <RingtailedFox> yerf?
06[13:36:50] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods softly, having returned from the shower.
06[13:38:20] * RingtailedFox wags
01[16:13:53] <RingtailedFox> any luck with furspace?
[16:14:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Not yet; Xeon's in school.
01[16:14:30] <RingtailedFox> how old is he?
01[16:17:09] <RingtailedFox> are we talking grade schoo,?
[16:22:50] <Fae`liin_M`taali> College...he has a packed schedule
01[16:25:41] <RingtailedFox> ahh ok
01[16:56:35] <RingtailedFox> i can just imagine. my site goes down... "Breaking news from CNN... mobianlegends.com has been shut down by its owner citing a lack of visitor traffic. Islamic Jihad, Al-Qaida, and 43 other various groups have claimed responsibility."
01[17:07:12] <RingtailedFox> do you think i would have more traffic if i opened a general-purpose furry portal?
01[20:32:25] <RingtailedFox> woof?
06[21:46:03] * RingtailedFox snugs
06[22:48:13] * RingtailedFox pest?
01[22:48:15] <RingtailedFox> *pets?
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01[01:57:34] <RingtailedFox> no such luck from furspace?
01[15:43:35] <RingtailedFox> hi?
01[19:17:52] <RingtailedFox> woof?
01[19:18:01] <RingtailedFox> any news from your furspace friends?
[19:20:53] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I was gone all day yesterday...but honestly, I don't see Kisuka doing it even if Xeon does want to try it out.
[19:21:03] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Kisuka is a primadonna douche.
01[19:21:03] <RingtailedFox> huh?
01[19:21:18] <RingtailedFox> if he's a douche, why is he allowed to run the site?
01[19:21:26] <RingtailedFox> does that mean they will, or not?
[19:21:57] <Fae`liin_M`taali> What do you mean "allowed"...he -founded- it and pays all of the bills himself.
01[19:22:15] <RingtailedFox> you told me xeon owns and runs the site, kisuka just pays for it
[19:22:44] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I told you that Kisuka founded it and does not much else aside from pay for it.
[19:22:58] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Xeon is the one that makes the code not suck, and generally keeps everything afloat.
01[19:23:15] <RingtailedFox> if kisuka simply pays for it, why should he care?
[19:23:39] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You're asking me things you ought to be asking them. :s
01[19:23:58] <RingtailedFox> i'd ask them myself but i don't know how to contact them
[19:24:07] <Fae`liin_M`taali> They're both usually on NFN.
[19:24:22] <Fae`liin_M`taali> They are gone a lot, but they get back to people ASAP.
[19:24:33] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Xeon does, at least.
01[19:24:33] <RingtailedFox> i see
01[19:33:31] <RingtailedFox> has kisuka ever threatened to something l ike "do what i say or i pull the plug on furspace"?
01[19:33:43] <RingtailedFox> or "remove that link/add this link or the site gets shut down"?
[19:34:36] <Fae`liin_M`taali> The first one, yes.
[19:34:38] <Fae`liin_M`taali> The second, no.
[19:35:05] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It had no effect, though.
01[19:35:15] <RingtailedFox> wow
[19:35:33] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I talked to Xeon and Xeon told him that he can do FurSpace alone if he tries that again.
01[19:36:04] <RingtailedFox> nice!
01[19:36:11] <RingtailedFox> i'd LOVE to host furspace. it would give my website purpose
[19:36:59] <Fae`liin_M`taali> What Xeon meant was that he would stay on my staff and leave Kisuka to fend for himself.
01[19:37:28] <RingtailedFox> kisuka probably wants that
[19:38:55] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Kisuka -can't- do it alone...that's why he listens to what Xeon says.
01[19:39:25] <RingtailedFox> and if xeon wanted to link up with me?
[19:46:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Might go well, might not.
01[19:47:03] <RingtailedFox> how so?>
[19:56:48] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Because they talk about these things jointly.
01[20:04:21] <RingtailedFox> ok
01[20:35:25] <RingtailedFox> is xeon on right now?
[20:35:59] <Fae`liin_M`taali> He's online...I don't know if he's available or not.
[20:36:05] <Fae`liin_M`taali> He's on NFN.
[20:36:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> xcXeon
01[20:41:08] <RingtailedFox> ok
01[21:11:45] <RingtailedFox> so, do you know why furnation went down?
[21:13:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> "Nexus is a retard" is the general concensus.
01[21:15:40] <RingtailedFox> i don't get it
01[21:17:23] <RingtailedFox> was he just trolling the whole fandom and decided to pull the plug to piss everyone off?
[21:22:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> ...
[21:22:18] <Fae`liin_M`taali> He's a moron and can't manage his life.
01[21:22:23] <RingtailedFox> ok
06[21:22:24] * Fae`liin_M`taali facepalms
01[21:22:25] <RingtailedFox> well, i didn't know!
01[21:22:29] <RingtailedFox> no one tells me anything
01[21:46:53] <RingtailedFox> want me to leave you alone?
[21:47:21] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm just really busy msot of the time...sorry about the slow replies. :s
01[21:54:48] <RingtailedFox> sorry, i'm allergic to stupidity
[21:55:16] <Fae`liin_M`taali> lol
01[21:55:20] <RingtailedFox> ?
[21:55:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> RTF...I advise you not to start.
01[21:55:32] <RingtailedFox> i didn't do anything
01[21:55:35] <RingtailedFox> don't get bitchy at me
[21:55:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm thinking I see why you have the troubles you do, RTF...social prowess makes all the difference. Banhammers perpetuate drama and simply transmute it into other varieties.
01[21:55:52] <RingtailedFox> ?
01[21:55:58] <RingtailedFox> no, you're just being needlessly rude
[21:56:04] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm not.
[21:56:11] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You're taking it senselessly personal.
01[21:56:17] <RingtailedFox> laughing at me, telling me not to start when i have done nothing
01[21:56:22] <RingtailedFox> i'm not taking anything personally
01[21:56:28] <RingtailedFox> not in there, anyway
[21:56:32] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You really are, RTF.
01[21:56:41] <RingtailedFox> you say you wonder why i say i think you dislike me.
01[21:56:42] <RingtailedFox> now you know why.
[21:56:44] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Try to listen to what I'm saying and let me explain before you assume you know.
01[21:56:47] <RingtailedFox> these types of actions and behaviours
[21:56:50] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Try to listen to what I'm saying and let me explain before you assume you know.
01[21:57:00] <RingtailedFox> i can repeat without listening, too, ya know
01[21:57:04] <RingtailedFox> but speak
[21:57:13] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You're already doing that, honestly.
[21:57:21] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Hense the repetition to ensure notice.
01[21:57:57] <RingtailedFox> ?
[21:57:57] <Fae`liin_M`taali> What I am saying is that you lunge for blood/revenge too quickly, and that getting a pound of flesh is not the goal of conflict resolution.
01[21:58:15] <RingtailedFox> well, talking never gets anywhere
[21:58:25] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And yet it gets me everywhere.
01[21:58:34] <RingtailedFox> ok, now you're just trolling
[21:58:38] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No.
[21:58:42] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm being dead serious.
01[21:58:55] <RingtailedFox> go ask rask on irc.esper.net why he still has a ban on me in his channel (#furry) since 2003
[21:58:57] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Diplomacy is an invaluable tool when dealing with others.
01[21:59:02] <RingtailedFox> you'll see you can't talk to unreasonable people.
01[21:59:11] <RingtailedFox> he doesn't evne tell me why he banne me in the first place.
[21:59:54] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Ringy...you do realize that you are acting quite belligerent with me whilst I'm simply trying to give you some advice that might help you.
01[22:00:04] <RingtailedFox> i'm listening, i just disagree
01[22:00:16] <RingtailedFox> i know i'm not always right, but you must also realize the same
[22:00:24] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I do realize that.
[22:00:37] <Fae`liin_M`taali> But everything I have accomplished is because I talk to people.
01[22:00:42] <RingtailedFox> ok
01[22:00:52] <RingtailedFox> so, go talk to rask, and ask him why he banned me and why he keeps it up..
01[22:00:59] <RingtailedFox> and then report back on if he decided to remove it
01[22:01:06] <RingtailedFox> you'll see you can't talk to everyone
[22:01:37] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I never said diplomacy is perfect; it it was, diplomats would ensure there we no wars.
[22:01:50] <Fae`liin_M`taali> But it works literally 97% of the time for me.
01[22:02:01] <RingtailedFox> [21:58:15] <RingtailedFox> well, talking never gets anywhere
01[22:02:01] <RingtailedFox> [21:58:25] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And yet it gets me everywhere.
[22:02:04] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm not trying to belittle you or anything of the sort.
[22:02:14] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That is not a statement of perfection.
01[22:02:15] <RingtailedFox> well, you may not have intended to, but you did very effectively.
[22:02:29] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That is a statement of general truth insofar as my experience.
01[22:02:37] <RingtailedFox> and so is mine
[22:02:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Unlike most people, I say -exactly- what I mean.
01[22:02:41] <RingtailedFox> you think i just say things to piss people off?
01[22:02:44] <RingtailedFox> same here.
01[22:02:52] <RingtailedFox> i have yet to have anything work in my favour
[22:03:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I think you jump for blood/vengeance/etc too swiftly...you called me a troll because I said my experience with life is different than yours, for instance.
[22:03:44] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm trying to show that working with your agression and finding ways to channel it will be very helpful for you.
01[22:03:50] <RingtailedFox> no, you said it mocking my statement becuase it was so close in wording and so close in time
01[22:04:04] <RingtailedFox> i've tried that MANY TIMES and for MANY YEARS
01[22:04:14] <RingtailedFox> "channeling" is just a waste of time and energy and makes me feel ill
[22:05:01] <Fae`liin_M`taali> If I were mocking you, I could far better...I was introducing a counterpoint to contradict the futilism in your statement. You stated an absolute that I've seen quite the opposite of.
[22:05:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Well...then can you blame the people that are wary?
[22:05:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm not saying that to be rude...simply trying to illuminate what some of your difficulties might stem from.
[22:06:32] <Fae`liin_M`taali> My point is simply that giving up and/or banning every person that disagrees with you is not a viable solution, even if it might feel better.
[22:07:12] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I wish I could do that too sometimes, but those are the times I take a step back and realize that I need to do something else until my temper calms.
[22:09:42] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Do you see how that did not solve anything?
01[23:18:18] <RingtailedFox> eys
01[23:18:19] <RingtailedFox> *yes
01[23:18:35] <RingtailedFox> oh, nice. real mature
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[23:20:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You're asking me for maturity?
[23:20:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> How entertaining.
01[23:20:30] <RingtailedFox> you banned me
[23:20:40] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Do you see my point now?
[23:20:43] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It solved nothing.
01[23:20:48] <RingtailedFox> what point are you tryign to make/
[23:20:49] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Excuse me while I unset it.
01[23:20:59] <RingtailedFox> you banned me from #yiffcabin, too
[23:21:06] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That your "ban everyone I don't agree with" stance is impractical.
01[23:21:21] <RingtailedFox> i wasn't saying ban everyone i don't agree with
[23:21:22] <Fae`liin_M`taali> #Halcyon voted to ban you for drama-incitation.
01[23:21:26] <RingtailedFox> i meant ban others that harass you
[23:21:30] <Fae`liin_M`taali> YC was my doing.
01[23:21:33] <RingtailedFox> i didn't start any drama
[23:22:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Halcyon runs on a community-rule system.
01[23:22:10] <RingtailedFox> tyranny by majority?
[23:22:17] <Fae`liin_M`taali> LOL
01[23:22:25] <RingtailedFox> what happened? you were nice just a few housr ago... now you're completely unpredictable
[23:22:30] <Fae`liin_M`taali> RTF...please...stop saying things like that if you want me to take you seriously.
[23:22:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I am really annoyed with you.
01[23:22:44] <RingtailedFox> i don't know why!
01[23:22:48] <RingtailedFox> please tell me why.
[23:22:49] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Because you're acting like TempDog.
01[23:22:53] <RingtailedFox> who is that?
[23:22:55] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Ever talked to him?
01[23:22:59] <RingtailedFox> never even heard of him
[23:23:25] <Fae`liin_M`taali> He runs #Furrycoffeeshop, the thinly-veiled "shithole" you were talking about earlier.
01[23:23:34] <RingtailedFox> i don't visit that channel
[23:24:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm an admin there still, but I refuse to return until TempDog gets over his persecution-complex.
01[23:24:30] <RingtailedFox> ok
[23:24:34] <Fae`liin_M`taali> People blaming me for "oppressing" them when I'm simply responding to their initial actions.
01[23:24:59] <RingtailedFox> ...
[23:25:19] <Fae`liin_M`taali> "Fuck you" "Fuck you too" "OMG YOURE A TROLL YOU TOLD ME TO FUCK OFF"
01[23:25:30] <RingtailedFox> ?
[23:25:40] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It's an example of what I''m talking about.
01[23:25:43] <RingtailedFox> ok
01[23:25:52] <RingtailedFox> i don't see how that relates to my issue, though.
[23:27:04] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Because you called an entire room of poeple stupid because they disgreed with you, and then proceeded to call me a troll for trying calmly and respectfully to explain to you why that won't help you succeed at the things you strive to do in life.
01[23:27:17] <RingtailedFox> i said you sounded like you were trolling
01[23:27:27] <RingtailedFox> and you even called the same room a shithole
01[23:28:47] <RingtailedFox> murr?
[23:29:03] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It -is- one...I'm not saying you're wrong for calling it that.
01[23:29:10] <RingtailedFox> you just were
[23:29:42] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm referring to what you said about my room, not FCS.
01[23:29:53] <RingtailedFox> what did i say about you room?
01[23:30:00] <RingtailedFox> i thought you were referring to a different room, like FCS
[23:30:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That you're allergic to stupid people.
01[23:30:38] <RingtailedFox> i never said that your room = stupid people
[23:31:06] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You left and PM'd this to me immediately after: "<RingtailedFox> sorry, i'm allergic to stupidity"
01[23:31:21] <RingtailedFox> people sayign they don't like large crowds..
01[23:32:09] <RingtailedFox> look
01[23:32:14] <RingtailedFox> you acted nicely, and then get ovelry pissy for nothing
01[23:32:18] <RingtailedFox> you have a better-than-you complex
01[23:32:22] <RingtailedFox> i'm glad shadowfox booted you from #yiffcabin
01[23:32:29] <RingtailedFox> i dont' want to go back to your channel if you want to act so two-faced
01[23:32:35] <RingtailedFox> i'm not linking up with your network, either
01[23:32:46] <RingtailedFox> you say you like me, but act like i'm your enemyu
[23:33:03] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Uhhhh...RTF...get a grip.
01[23:33:14] <RingtailedFox> i do
01[23:33:16] <RingtailedFox> shadow's talking to me righ tnow
[23:33:17] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Firstly, no such complex.
01[23:33:19] <RingtailedFox> and so are a few others
01[23:33:23] <RingtailedFox> so, everyone else is wrong but you?
[23:33:29] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Shadow did not boot me...I left by choice.
[23:33:36] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I have the PM if you want to read it. :P
01[23:33:36] <RingtailedFox> good. he said you're not welcome back
01[23:33:40] <RingtailedFox> don't need to
01[23:33:47] <RingtailedFox> anyway, what is it you even want?
01[23:33:57] <RingtailedFox> "act the way you want and i can rejoin #halcyon"?
[23:34:01] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No.
[23:34:15] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And KingCulex filled me in about you...you're a liar and completely unstable.
01[23:34:24] <RingtailedFox> i'm not a liar
[23:34:37] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Prove it, then.
[23:34:49] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Because I don't believe you over a friend I've had for years.
01[23:34:51] <RingtailedFox> you listen to someone saying things at random online?
01[23:35:00] <RingtailedFox> do you know him in real life?
01[23:35:25] <RingtailedFox> i've known him since 2002
01[23:35:27] <RingtailedFox> he's not exactly stable, either
[23:35:29] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Do I know -you- in real life?
01[23:35:31] <RingtailedFox> no.
[23:35:36] <Fae`liin_M`taali> He's more rational than you are acting.
01[23:35:41] <RingtailedFox> whatever
[23:35:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And always has been to me.
01[23:35:44] <RingtailedFox> whatever i do i'm wrong, to you
[23:35:46] <Fae`liin_M`taali> So either calm down and talk.
[23:35:50] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No.
01[23:35:50] <RingtailedFox> i am calm
01[23:35:51] <RingtailedFox> i don't know what you want.
[23:36:15] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm trying to tell you and you're going on about all sorts of things that have no basis in reality.
01[23:36:16] <RingtailedFox> you honestly think furrires are supposed to be "normal and stable" people?
[23:36:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Most are.
01[23:36:27] <RingtailedFox> i'd like to meet them
[23:36:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I've met QUITE a few.
[23:37:00] <Fae`liin_M`taali> By the way:
[23:37:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> [08:35:12 PM] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Did you say I'm not welcome in #YiffCabin anymore?
[23:37:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> [08:35:19 PM] <ShadowFox> no
[23:37:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> [08:35:27 PM] <ShadowFox> who told you that?
[23:37:12] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You're a liar.
01[23:37:22] <RingtailedFox> i'm not a liar.
01[23:37:32] <RingtailedFox> i said that becuase i'm confident that if you started harassing me again, shadowfox would boot ya
[23:37:42] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It's still a lie.
01[23:37:47] <RingtailedFox> call it what you want
01[23:37:49] <RingtailedFox> what do you want from me?
[23:38:03] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I want you to speak rationally with me.
[23:38:07] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's it.
01[23:38:11] <RingtailedFox> i've been trying to.
01[23:38:14] <RingtailedFox> brb.
[23:38:26] <Fae`liin_M`taali> RTf...you've been accusing me of everything short of the Holocaust.
06[23:38:29] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods
01[23:43:25] <RingtailedFox> back
01[23:43:29] <RingtailedFox> and no, i didn't blame you for anything
01[23:46:05] <RingtailedFox> so
[23:46:32] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I didn't say blaming...I said accusing. I don't fancy myself better than others, I acted nice until you insulted a lot of my friends and then I did express my distaste for your behavior...you've accused me of a lot of things that I've not done during the course of this conversation.
[23:47:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Some of the more grievous ones you've tried to take back, but it's still fairly offensive when a friend seems to treat you like crap once they don't feel they need the perks they give you anymore.
01[23:47:23] <RingtailedFox> i really don't like people that try to "teach me a lesson" becuase half the time, i don't understand the lesson they are trying to force me to learn
01[23:47:33] <RingtailedFox> huh?
01[23:47:47] <RingtailedFox> fae, you act nice to me and then started ignoring and avoiding me and acting rudely to ME...
[23:47:54] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You stopped being friendly as soon as I said you should ask Xeon.
01[23:48:01] <RingtailedFox> that's not true
01[23:48:10] <RingtailedFox> say it if you want, but that doesn't make it true
[23:48:14] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Really? Because that's how it looked on this end. :/
01[23:48:17] <RingtailedFox> no
01[23:48:22] <RingtailedFox> i've also been having a very bad week myself
[23:48:36] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Yeah...but that means I'm entitled to take the fall for it?
01[23:48:46] <RingtailedFox> no
[23:49:27] <Fae`liin_M`taali> All I initially did was ask you not to insult a channel full of my friends, and to listen (nothing more) to one bit of advice (not a lecture) that I thought you would find helpful.
01[23:49:28] <RingtailedFox> aside from "Getting a grip", what do you want me to do?
01[23:49:35] <RingtailedFox> i did
01[23:49:37] <RingtailedFox> i disagreed with it
[23:49:55] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And you called me a liar.
01[23:50:04] <RingtailedFox> you called me one
01[23:50:07] <RingtailedFox> many times
[23:50:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> After.
01[23:50:15] <RingtailedFox> does that change anyting?
[23:50:18] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Yes.
01[23:50:23] <RingtailedFox> please explain
[23:50:53] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You can't say "YOU CALLED ME ONE FIRST" when I said it after....and you can't fault me for calling you a liar when you lied to me. :/
[23:50:57] <Fae`liin_M`taali> We have not talked that much.
[23:51:07] <Fae`liin_M`taali> So that lie is a large percentage of our conversations.
01[23:51:17] <RingtailedFox> o.O
01[23:51:20] <RingtailedFox> how?
[23:52:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Because we barely talk, and so if you measure the percentage of what you say in "truth" and "lies", that lie does not have that many truths to outweigh it.
[23:52:35] <Fae`liin_M`taali> If we talked more and it came to be shown that you're not, I'd apologize.
01[23:52:48] <RingtailedFox> i try talking to you, but you're away and don't reply 90% of the time
01[23:53:13] <RingtailedFox> as for KC... i don't know why you'd believe him. he's done nothing but cause trouble for me and say lies against me
01[23:53:19] <RingtailedFox> if you dn't believe me, log on to morphforest and ask rozene.
01[23:53:21] <RingtailedFox> and erikmouse
[23:53:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm really busy, RTF...I have real life to attend to, and I have hosting customers and the like to take care of. The do take contracts.
[23:53:56] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I can't always be here, and I sleep at strange and inconsistent hours.
01[23:54:10] <RingtailedFox> same here, but half the time, you act like i'm your enemy
[23:54:39] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Just this time, if at all, and only because you did a great many things to offend me in one fell swoop.
[23:55:01] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I didn't even know you wanted to be friends until two days ago.
01[23:55:01] <RingtailedFox> so now i'm automatically and permanently your enemy.
[23:55:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No.
01[23:55:09] <RingtailedFox> i did, but now i'm not so sure.
[23:55:36] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Well...when 90% of the things you say to me are yiff, and the conversations are like this, how do you think I feel?
01[23:55:51] <RingtailedFox> i don't know, becauyse you don't tell me.
01[23:56:08] <RingtailedFox> i could say nasty things about you and proclaim them as truth... if i told others you were unstable and such, would you like it? would you like it if i banned you from my room wihtout warning? i highly doubt it.
[23:57:17] <Fae`liin_M`taali> RTF...look at how erratic you've been acting even just in this conversation.
01[23:57:30] <RingtailedFox> i'm not acting erratic in any way
01[23:57:42] <RingtailedFox> i'm just trying to understand what you're saying and what you want
[23:58:01] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You are jumping between "OMG I HATE YOU" and "why are you so mean to me".
[23:58:05] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's pretty erratic. :/
01[23:58:16] <RingtailedFox> well, i want to like you, but you are being mean to me
[23:58:31] <Fae`liin_M`taali> ...
01[23:58:32] <RingtailedFox> i'm angry at you for banning me, and sad that you keep acting mean
[23:58:38] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You honestly think this is mean?
01[23:58:44] <RingtailedFox> yes
[23:58:44] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That none of this is warranted?
01[23:58:47] <RingtailedFox> yes
[23:58:52] <Fae`liin_M`taali> ...
[23:59:03] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And you still persist in claiming that you're 100% sane?
01[23:59:11] <RingtailedFox> i never said that
01[23:59:15] <RingtailedFox> did KingCulex tell you that?
[23:59:41] <Fae`liin_M`taali> KC warned me not to try too hard because you'll just get more and more angry.
01[23:59:51] <RingtailedFox> i'm not angry, i'm depressed
Session Time: Sun Jan 24 00:00:01 2010
[00:00:14] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It's like you think that you're the only one that can be offended.
01[00:00:32] <RingtailedFox> ?
[00:00:53] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You attack me AND the people I care about...I respond by calmly telling you an alternative...and you jump down my throat about how horrible and mean I am.
01[00:01:06] <RingtailedFox> i don't know what you're trying to get at, or if you have a point to make, fae. are you trying to tell me what others told you about me... or, are you just trying to psychoanalyze me and diagnose me?
[00:02:03] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm trying to get you to see that I don't even want to fuckign argue with you, and that I don't know how you manage to twist this to make yourself feel you're the victim in it.
01[00:02:09] <RingtailedFox> ?
[00:02:14] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I really don't enjoy this.
[00:02:16] <Fae`liin_M`taali> At all.
01[00:02:17] <RingtailedFox> you think i do?
[00:02:27] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I think you get SOMETHING out of it.
01[00:02:50] <RingtailedFox> i get used and dumped on a daily basis. i have yet to meet a friend that hasn't dumped me, or pretended to like me, then turn nasty on me.
01[00:02:57] <RingtailedFox> so, what i want is for someone to treat me with respect and kindness.
01[00:03:02] <RingtailedFox> i treat others with kindness and get shit on.
[00:03:18] <Fae`liin_M`taali> RTF...it's like you don't feel I have a right to be upset with you.
[00:03:21] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Well...I do.
[00:03:26] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Everyone has a right to feelings.
[00:03:29] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Not just you.
[00:03:40] <Fae`liin_M`taali> You were not kind to me.
[00:03:46] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Read up over how you acted.
01[00:03:57] <RingtailedFox> if you gave me a chance, i can show you how kinda nd loving i am
[00:04:33] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I've given you two months of chances and you just wanted yiff...until you realized that I can help you in other ways too.
01[00:04:40] <RingtailedFox> that's not true
[00:04:42] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And even now, I'm not "against" you.
[00:04:48] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Despite what you might think.
01[00:04:50] <RingtailedFox> i feel you are by banning me
01[00:04:54] <RingtailedFox> uh, furs YIFF>
01[00:05:00] <RingtailedFox> that's what they do
[00:05:02] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And?
[00:05:05] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Not all.
[00:05:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Ant all the time, either.
01[00:05:22] <RingtailedFox> they talk, not ban each other..
[00:05:29] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Maybe my idea of a good time does now ENTIRELY consist of sucking e-cock?
01[00:05:41] <RingtailedFox> i never said it does.
01[00:05:49] <RingtailedFox> but you seem to act like it. do what you say, and think as you think, or get banned.
[00:05:59] <Fae`liin_M`taali> No.
01[00:06:00] <RingtailedFox> i don't know what you want, fae.
[00:06:39] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I want you to stop blaming me for this, because I'm the only person in this conversation trying to solve it and not just get told "okay, you're right".
[00:06:45] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I was wrong about a couple things.
[00:06:51] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'll list them if you like.
01[00:06:54] <RingtailedFox> ok
[00:07:06] <Fae`liin_M`taali> But I doubt you'll be happy until I kiss your feet and beg you to be my friend.
01[00:07:12] <RingtailedFox> no, i don't want that
01[00:07:15] <RingtailedFox> i'd be disgusted if you did
01[00:07:21] <RingtailedFox> by the way, i'm not blaming you for anything, either. why do you keep saying that?
[00:07:32] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Because it's what the words you used mean.
[00:08:00] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm a person of precision; I say what I mean and I hope that others do the same.
01[00:08:08] <RingtailedFox> i'm also offended that you said i'm not "completely stable"... and consider the words of someone else to be far more valuable than someone else's.
01[00:08:14] <RingtailedFox> but please list what you were going to list
[00:08:44] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I've not had the time to ask what you meant by your comments yet; I'm too busy defending myself to try and get to the root of the matter.
[00:09:15] <Fae`liin_M`taali> So I have to go strictly by what you said until I can ask what you meant.
[00:10:10] <Fae`liin_M`taali> The first thing I did wrong was not familiarize you with the rules of my channel...it does not work like a typical heirarchical op-structure.
[00:10:48] <Fae`liin_M`taali> It's based on community-decisions.
01[00:11:03] <RingtailedFox> ok
06[00:13:32] * RingtailedFox wonders if his connection died
[00:13:35] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I just asked them to revote on the matter, and they voted to keep the ban for now. I lift bans after a week unless they are for floodbots or habitual offenders.
01[00:13:48] <RingtailedFox> that's fine
[00:13:52] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'll probably lift this one tomorrow, since it was not anything major.
[00:14:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> And you seem like you honestly want to work this all out.
01[00:14:16] <RingtailedFox> i do
[00:14:18] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's all I ask really...willingness to try and play nice.
01[00:14:24] <RingtailedFox> i'd like compassion
01[00:14:26] <RingtailedFox> and trust
06[00:14:33] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods
01[00:14:40] <RingtailedFox> part of me is saying "uh, maybe linking up is a bad idea..."
01[00:14:58] <RingtailedFox> only reason for that: you believe in community-based, i beleive in heirchy
[00:15:08] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Well...that's what the rest of my staff have decided as well...
[00:15:27] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm on the fence, because I want to get as much information as possible..
[00:15:49] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I've kept it open, despite everyone deciding the same night you asked.
01[00:17:06] <RingtailedFox> hm
01[00:19:54] <RingtailedFox> so what do we do now?
01[00:24:58] <RingtailedFox> i'll be here if you want to reply
Session Close: Sun Jan 24 00:25:02 2010
Session Start: Sun Jan 24 00:26:44 2010
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[00:26:44] <Fae`liin_M`taali> We start talking normally and stop taking jabs at one another.
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01[00:26:51] <RingtailedFox> ok
01[00:27:39] <RingtailedFox> i don't know how you'd want me to show friendship... i thought yiffing was a nice way to show friendship
[00:28:16] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I can't yiff now because I have a boyfriend and I'm that kind of guy...but talking is just as good with me.
01[00:29:17] <RingtailedFox> i see
01[00:29:59] <RingtailedFox> are you a starfox fan?
Session Close: Sun Jan 24 00:30:41 2010
Session Start: Sun Jan 24 00:30:51 2010
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[00:30:51] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I've never played the games, actually. ^^;
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01[00:31:04] <RingtailedFox> hm
[00:31:06] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I've never much had the time...always one thing or another.
01[00:31:11] <RingtailedFox> how are you so busy?
[00:31:30] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I pack my schedule to keep myself from going insane.
01[00:31:34] <RingtailedFox> o.O
01[00:31:37] <RingtailedFox> why not talk with your friends?
[00:31:43] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Like...I'm a therapist for about 2500 different people.
[00:31:49] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Most of them are my friends. o.o;
01[00:31:53] <RingtailedFox> ok
01[00:32:07] <RingtailedFox> well, i should go. i'm still extremely angry and i don't want to blow up at you.
Session Close: Sun Jan 24 00:32:09 2010
Session Start: Sun Jan 24 00:32:12 2010
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[00:32:12] Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali (AnthroChat, RingtailedFox) (~...@naughty.foxkitty.nomnomcookies.org)
[00:32:12] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'll help people I dislike too...I try not to let personal feelings steer how I treat people.
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Session Close: Sun Jan 24 00:32:17 2010
Session Start: Sun Jan 24 00:32:37 2010
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06[00:32:37] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods softly and pats your shoulder, "Take it easy, okay? I'll be here if you need someone."
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01[00:32:53] <RingtailedFox> well... i'm still a bit angry about being banned, too. *pats back and purrs8
Session Close: Sun Jan 24 00:32:58 2010
Session Start: Sun Jan 24 00:33:37 2010
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06[00:33:37] * Fae`liin_M`taali nods :/
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Session Close: Sun Jan 24 00:33:59 2010
Session Start: Sun Jan 24 15:57:55 2010
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
Session Close: Sun Jan 24 15:58:04 2010
Session Start: Sun Jan 24 16:38:40 2010
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[16:38:40] <RingtailedFox> woof
01[19:36:05] <RingtailedFox> woof?
[19:38:40] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Meep ^^
01[19:39:00] <RingtailedFox> how are you?
[19:39:21] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm alive-ish. ^^
[19:39:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Yourself?
01[19:39:30] <RingtailedFox> still shitty
[19:41:14] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Erf...I'm sorry. :/
01[19:41:36] <RingtailedFox> i see
01[19:42:51] <RingtailedFox> so, whatcha up to?
[19:44:33] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Mostly, trying to wake up. :s
01[19:44:56] <RingtailedFox> it's nearly 8 PM, though :P
[19:45:09] <Fae`liin_M`taali> hehehe
[19:45:23] <Fae`liin_M`taali> 4PM here...but I went to bed at 8:30AM.
01[19:45:48] <RingtailedFox> aww
06[21:12:49] * RingtailedFox snugs ya?
01[21:43:04] <RingtailedFox> want me to leave you alone?
01[22:54:12] <RingtailedFox> fae, i have good news
[23:48:42] <Fae`liin_M`taali> homes
01[23:50:15] <RingtailedFox> i'll be hosting a starfox fan game project :D
[23:50:28] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Awesome. ^^
01[23:50:33] <RingtailedFox> very!
06[23:50:34] * RingtailedFox licks ya
01[23:50:47] <RingtailedFox> http://dingonet.org/sfhq/index.php?s=ec5fa9d936ab8d59dff767e146158018&showtopic=31&st=0&start=0 and http://arwinglanding.net/forum/index.php?topic=13464.0
01[23:50:51] <RingtailedFox> it's named StarFox: Paths of Fate
01[23:54:24] <RingtailedFox> you like?
[23:55:07] <Fae`liin_M`taali> That's really neat ^^
01[23:55:12] <RingtailedFox> i agree
Session Time: Mon Jan 25 00:00:13 2010
Session Time: Tue Jan 26 00:00:11 2010
Session Close: Tue Jan 26 00:31:47 2010
Session Start: Wed Jan 27 22:23:09 2010
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[22:23:11] <RingtailedFox> wof
[22:29:16] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Mow
01[22:29:20] <RingtailedFox> how are ya?
[22:30:29] <Fae`liin_M`taali> I'm alive, mostly.
[22:30:33] <Fae`liin_M`taali> Been awake for...a few days.
01[22:37:25] <RingtailedFox> ick
01[22:37:26] <RingtailedFox> you s hould sleep
Session Time: Thu Jan 28 00:00:09 2010
Session Start: Fri Feb 05 02:32:14 2010
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[02:32:16] <RingtailedFox> murr
Session Start: Sat Feb 06 18:42:38 2010
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[18:42:39] <RingtailedFox> woof/
Session Time: Sun Feb 07 00:00:00 2010
Session Close: Sun Feb 07 21:11:48 2010
Session Start: Mon Feb 08 21:37:46 2010
Session Ident: Fae`liin_M`taali
01[21:38:01] <RingtailedFox> if you want, we can talk sometime, dear (not sure if you got my messages on notfurnet)
Session Close: Mon Feb 08 21:38:03 2010