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20:22 <&alpaca> sowwy
21:07 <+dSyrup> alpaca
21:08 <&alpaca> yes
21:08 <+dSyrup> i thought we were supposed to read
21:09 <&alpaca> we are supposed to read!
21:09 <&alpaca> chapters 1-4, no?
21:09 <+dSyrup> ok good
21:09 <+dSyrup> cuz im reading
21:09 <&alpaca> cool, how much left?
21:10 <+dSyrup> dude i'm still on chap 1
21:10 <&alpaca> hurry! ill let you be
21:10 <&alpaca> entr0py: permission to let my logs/stats bot idle here?
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21:33 <~entr0py> alpaca of course
21:33 <~entr0py> hail luke
21:33 <&Luke> mr. ent
21:33 <&Luke> have things to discuss
21:33  * entr0py pees in the corner excitedly
21:35 <+fleshdunce> how cute
21:35 -!- mode/#420-books [+m] by entr0py
21:36 <~entr0py> whatchoo think, +m?
21:36 <~entr0py> everybody whose name is on the wiki has at least voice here
21:36 <+fleshdunce> that makes sense
21:37 <+fleshdunce> otherwise why should anyone be in here
21:37 <+fleshdunce> if they arent involved in #420, they wont know about this
21:37 <~entr0py> dont' want some asshole lurker sneaking in and spoiling for kicks
21:37 <~entr0py> who knows
21:37 <+fleshdunce> true
21:37 <&Luke> yeh
21:37 <+fleshdunce> also, just idiot stoners coming in and beling like
21:37 <&Luke> gotta keep the riffraff out
21:37 <+fleshdunce> you guys read a grow book?
21:37 <~entr0py> lol
21:37 <~entr0py> yeah
21:37 <+fleshdunce> or the joint rolling book
21:37 <&Luke> lol
21:37 <&Luke> Cannabible
21:37 <+fleshdunce> yeah
21:37 <+fleshdunce> and the like
21:38 <&Luke> think they are at Vol. 3 with that
21:38 <&Luke> my friend has them all
21:38 <+fleshdunce> maybe put #420 in the topic, so if someone does join and is curious they can find out more there
21:38 <&Luke> it's fun to turn to the chapter of the bud you are smoking
21:38 <+fleshdunce> oh it is in the topic
21:39 <~entr0py> yeah #420 is in the topic
21:39 <+fleshdunce> !topic
21:39 <~entr0py> you know you can type /topic 
21:39 <+fleshdunce> no bot
21:39 <~entr0py> paca where's your bot?
21:39 <&Luke> he's smokin ent
21:39 <&alpaca> oh hai
21:39 <&Luke> gettin prepped for the meeting
21:39 <&alpaca> h/o
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21:40 <+fleshdunce> maybe ill make a lil cocktail
21:40 <&alpaca> there he is!
21:40 -!- mode/#420-books [+v botwurst] by Luke
21:40 <&alpaca> he didnt read it though
21:41 <&Luke>  lol
21:41 <&alpaca> hold on let me send him the pdf
21:41 <&alpaca> will take him only a few milliseconds
21:42 <~entr0py> rented a tent, a tent, a tent...
21:43 <&Luke> Hehe, I was doing that when I was walking my dog earlier
21:43 <~entr0py> that was one of the few teeny details taht i remembered really strongly when i came across them again
21:43 <~entr0py> wandered around the house for awhile renting tents, to wifey's likely dismay
21:43 <&Luke> no strings?
21:43 <~entr0py> :/
21:44 <&Luke> bugger
21:44 <+fleshdunce> so who in here hasnt read it before
21:44 <+fleshdunce> is the first thing im curious about
21:45 <~entr0py> well let's see
21:45 <~entr0py> who's actually here
21:45 <~entr0py> luke flesh alpaca me
21:45 <+fleshdunce> roll call!
21:45 <~entr0py> man
21:45 <~entr0py> clearly we are too awesome
21:45 <+fleshdunce> clearly
21:45 <&alpaca> pls wait 60 seconds
21:45 <&alpaca> have to help jhancidcs'dfkl
21:46 <+fleshdunce> plus you have a 60 in your name
21:46 <~entr0py> kk
21:46 <+fleshdunce> err
21:46 <+fleshdunce> 0
21:46 <+fleshdunce> makes you cooler
21:46 <~entr0py> enh
21:46 <~entr0py> i'm used to it, used not to like it
21:46 <~entr0py> had no choice, somebody usurped me somewhere important
21:46 <+fleshdunce> if i ever see an entropy join the chan without a 0 im gonna ban the doppelganger 
21:46 <~entr0py> guaranteed i had it frist
21:46 <~entr0py> yeh
21:47 <~entr0py> there was a guy on efnet who was claiming to be me, real asshole too
21:47 <~entr0py> there's no /nick services on efnet
21:47 <~entr0py> ridic
21:47 <+fleshdunce> yeah i saw that
21:47 <~entr0py> no sense of humor, those people
21:47  * entr0py wais for alpaca before saying speaking of which
21:48  * entr0py wais for alpaca before saying speaking of which
21:48 <&alpaca> sorry
21:48 <&alpaca> had to help my handicapped coworker to his car
21:48 <+fleshdunce> blasphemy 
21:48 <+fleshdunce> tell your coworker to man up
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21:48 <~entr0py> q: would malachi constant help a coworker to a car?
21:48 <+fleshdunce> no
21:48 <&alpaca> no
21:48 <+fleshdunce> definitely no
21:48 <+fleshdunce> t
21:48 <~entr0py> agreed
21:49 <+fleshdunce> i kinda dig the name malachi though
21:49 <&alpaca> he might pay someone else to do it if it was a family member or close friend/relative.
21:49 <+dSyrup> my computer is reading the book to me :-D
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21:49 <&alpaca> but i wouldnt say hes a compassionate character...yet
21:49 -!- mode/#420-books [+v anonymoose] by ChanServ
21:49 <&alpaca> but i wouldnt say hes a compassionate character...yet
21:49 <+fleshdunce> he certainly isnt
21:49 <~entr0py> but there's something very cool about him, yes? a rogue sort of guy
21:49 <+fleshdunce> his main concern is himself
21:49 <+fleshdunce> though
21:49 <&alpaca> he fucks hot bitches
21:49 <&alpaca> of course i wanna be him
21:49 <+dSyrup> ^
21:49 <+anonymoose> haha
21:49 <+fleshdunce> when he hears he will bang beatrice on titan, the first thing he thinks is, awesome that means i cant die here
21:49 <~entr0py> every character we've met so far has no concern other than themself
21:50 <~entr0py> except for the narrator
21:50 <&Luke> and he doesn't have to do anything
21:50 <&Luke> because it's preordained
21:50 -!- mode/#420-books [+v anteater] by entr0py
21:50 <+fleshdunce> rumfoord seems to be somewhere inbetween now ent
21:50 -!- mode/#420-books [+v anteater] by entr0py
21:50 <+fleshdunce> rumfoord seems to be somewhere inbetween now ent
21:50 -!- anteater is now known as krazykit
21:50 <+dSyrup> i like how modern it seems
21:50 <+krazykit> thank you
21:50 <&alpaca> yeah rusmfoord seems to care about others
21:50 <+dSyrup> regarding police and concealing truths
21:50 <&alpaca> maybe not though
21:50 <+fleshdunce> with his fading in and out
21:50 <~entr0py> you actually have autovoice here kk
21:50 <~entr0py> if you're kk
21:50 <+fleshdunce> i wouldnt say he cares
21:50 <+krazykit> oh
21:50 <+krazykit> pff
21:50 <+fleshdunce> but
21:50 <~entr0py> yeah you're right alpaca
21:50 <~entr0py> and flesh
21:50 <+fleshdunce> he has more empathy than anyone else so far
21:51 <~entr0py> rumsfoord sort of does, but in a sort of entertained way
21:51 <+fleshdunce> dont know if i could call it empahy even though
21:51 <&alpaca> yeah i guess he hasnt solidly demonstrated it
21:51 <+fleshdunce> dont know if i could call it empahy even though
21:51 <&alpaca> yeah i guess he hasnt solidly demonstrated it
21:51 <+krazykit> lemme fire up the book to see where we are at chapter 4
21:51 <&alpaca> except for the painting!
21:51 <&alpaca> also, what was with hima nd the fountain
21:51 <&alpaca> hes like a kid
21:51 <~entr0py> yes
21:51 <&alpaca> just playing in this fountain
21:51 <&alpaca> being late
21:51 <+fleshdunce> it was a sweet fountain 
21:51 <~entr0py> he never had a childhood
21:51 <+dSyrup> i thought we still had 1 more hour?
21:51 <+anonymoose> i liked that fountain scene alot though
21:51 <&alpaca> for this extremely important event
21:51 <+Ciaranarchy> Just wanted to drop in and apologise and say I'll be here next week
21:51 <~entr0py> just grew up a pseudobastard
21:51 <+fleshdunce> thats cool Ciaranarchy 
21:51 <+fleshdunce> and his motehr was indeed, a whore
21:51 <+fleshdunce> i liked the party he threw
21:51 <+fleshdunce> and crying about how his dad never loved him
21:52 <&alpaca> hahaha yeah
21:52 <&alpaca> 56 days or something
21:52 <+fleshdunce> when he broke down and sold the oil stocks
21:52 <&alpaca> 56 days or something
21:52 <+fleshdunce> that was pretty hysterical 
21:52 <+fleshdunce> i thought
21:52 <~entr0py> i like his nonchalance -- 1 minute to materialiation and he finally decides its time to come down off the fountain
21:52 <+fleshdunce> thats true
21:52 <+dSyrup> !topic
21:52 <&alpaca> hes carefree
21:52 <~entr0py> a god on the cultural plane
21:52 <&alpaca> but what about OTHER PLANES
21:53 <+krazykit> so who wants awesome magnetic floating furniture
21:53 <~entr0py> o/
21:53 <&Luke> that doesn't work
21:53 <&alpaca> yeah imagining all the offices and the buildings was kinda cool
21:53 <~entr0py> humbug
21:53 <&alpaca> yeah imagining all the offices and the buildings was kinda cool
21:53 <+fleshdunce> hey it will get there
21:53 <~entr0py> i'd think the fact that my chair went racing around the room would be a virtue
21:53 <+fleshdunce> sort of
21:53 <~entr0py> woooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
21:53 <~entr0py> l;akdjsfhgkn
21:53 <+fleshdunce> until you want to actually sit
21:54 <+fleshdunce> i like how noel used the bible for his business investments 
21:54  * alpaca opens the book
21:54 <~entr0py> malachi, who was that in the bible?
21:54 <+fleshdunce> i feel like that almost points out how non sensical the bible itself is
21:54 <~entr0py> i know the name means king
21:54 <+fleshdunce> or the idea of it
21:54 <~entr0py> or some variant of it
21:54 <&alpaca> i think theres definitely more to the strategy
21:54 <+krazykit> so wait, did we read chapter 4?
21:54 <+fleshdunce> yes
21:54 <~entr0py> yeah we did kk
21:54 <&alpaca> whats the one guys name
21:54 <&alpaca> fern>?
21:54 <&Luke> yes 
21:54 <~entr0py> the actual businessman
21:54 <&alpaca> he points out that a lot of those businesses dont evn do what the company name means
21:54 <+krazykit> ok, i know where we are then
21:54 <&alpaca> its almost like its done on purpose
21:54 <+fleshdunce> ransom fern
21:55 <+krazykit> man, the book hasn't even gotten good yet at this point :)
21:55 <~entr0py> yeah alpaca, like sme kind of conspiracy is afoot
21:55 <&alpaca> yes
21:55 <+fleshdunce> it takes off from here though
21:55 <&alpaca> ok does everyone have their book?!
21:55 <+fleshdunce> cuz we made it to mars
21:55 <~entr0py> i do alpaca
21:55 <+anonymoose> I do
21:55 <~entr0py> i loved the first chapter
21:55 <+krazykit> yeah
21:55 <+fleshdunce> i do
21:55 <~entr0py> rumsfoord's got great wit
21:55 <&alpaca> whos got what?
21:55 <+anonymoose> I only made it to chapter two though :\
21:55 <&alpaca> ive got the PDF
21:55 <~entr0py> funny ass book
21:55 <+anonymoose> So i can't contribute much today
21:55 <+krazykit> kazak is the best
21:55 <+fleshdunce> it is quite funny
21:55 <&alpaca> haha
21:55 <+anonymoose> I really like Winston
21:55 <+anonymoose> hah
21:55 <~entr0py> i like how he runs in place as he dematerializes
21:55 <&Luke> what I liked about Fern is that his pedigree and education are useless when compared to a lucky, unsightly shut in in a cramped hotel room 
21:55 <&alpaca> is winston the butler?
21:55 <+anonymoose> Lol
21:55 <&alpaca> is winston the butler?
21:55 <+anonymoose> Lol
21:56 <+fleshdunce> i just like the sense of humor, the feel of the entire thing really
21:56 <+anonymoose> Nah
21:56 <+anonymoose> winston niles
21:56 <+anonymoose> rumsfoor
21:56 <+anonymoose> d
21:56 <&alpaca> oooh
21:56 <~entr0py> ok so we need to know who malachi is in the bible
21:56 <+fleshdunce> yeah luke goes along with the whole nature of time in the novel
21:56 <&alpaca> rightright
21:56 <~entr0py> i'm gonna look it up
21:56 <+fleshdunce> that time is fixed luke
21:56 <&alpaca> malache is someone in the bible?
21:56 <&alpaca> what?
21:56 <~entr0py> isn't he?
21:56 <~entr0py> malaachi
21:56 <+krazykit> yes
21:56 <~entr0py> malachi
21:56 <+fleshdunce> its a book in teh bible
21:56 <+fleshdunce> ent
21:56 <~entr0py> what's it say?
21:56 <+krazykit> it's a whole book
21:56 <~entr0py> in 13 words or less?
21:56 <&Luke> as opposed to getting unstcuk in tem in sloughterhouse flesh 
21:56 <&Luke> unstuck* hehe
21:56 <&alpaca> "god is awesome"
21:56 <&alpaca> ^
21:56 <+fleshdunce> dont know that :P
21:56 <+krazykit>  
21:56 <+krazykit> Book of Malachi
21:56 <+krazykit> Author: Malachi 1:1 identifies the author of the Book of Malachi as the Prophet Malachi.
21:56 <+krazykit> Book of Malachi
21:56 <+krazykit> Author: Malachi 1:1 identifies the author of the Book of Malachi as the Prophet Malachi.
21:56 <+krazykit> Date of Writing: The Book of Malachi was written between 440 and 400 B.C.
21:57 <+krazykit> Purpose of Writing: The Book of Malachi is an oracle: The word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi (1:1). This was God's warning through Malachi to tell the people to turn back to God. As the final book of the Old Testament closes, the pronouncement of God's just and the promise of His restoration through the coming Messiah is ringing in the ears of the Israelites. Four hundred years of silence ensues, ending with a similar
21:57 <+fleshdunce> yeah luke, even then though its still fixed
21:57 <+krazykit> IT WAS WRITTIN IN 420 BC
21:57 <+fleshdunce> his being unstuck
21:57 <+krazykit> o/
21:57 <~entr0py> ty kk
21:57 <~entr0py> and lol yes
21:57 <+krazykit> basically it's god being a whiny bitch again
21:57 <~entr0py> and wait
21:57 <~entr0py> oh nm
21:57 <~entr0py> insert joke about luke in the bible
21:57 <&Luke> Oh 
21:57 <&Luke> do you remember the rollercoaster bit?
21:57 <+fleshdunce> yeap
21:57 <~entr0py> yeah
21:58 <+fleshdunce> thats how time is described 
21:58 <&Luke> about when Beatrice father took her to one
21:58 <~entr0py> and she said fu
21:58 <~entr0py> no
21:58 <&Luke> that's fifteen minutes from here
21:58 <&Luke> real amusement park
21:58 <&alpaca> the rollercoaster is predetermined
21:58 <~entr0py> nice
21:58 <&Luke> Lincoln Park
21:58 <+fleshdunce> haha
21:58 <+fleshdunce> nice
21:58 <&alpaca> whether he tells her of the hills or not!
21:58 <&Luke> it's condemned now
21:58 <&Luke> and people have died there
21:58 <&Luke> from the rollercoaster
21:58 <~entr0py> is it predetermined, alpaca, or has it already happened? or is everything happening right now?
21:58 <~entr0py> consider:
21:58 <~entr0py> if you die today
21:58 <&alpaca> well it hasnt necessarily happened
21:59 <&alpaca> well it hasnt necessarily happened
21:59 <+krazykit> rumford claims that it's predetermined
21:59 <&alpaca> time is funny that way
21:59 <+fleshdunce> it hasnt happened, but it is going to happen
21:59 <+fleshdunce> is what we know
21:59 <~entr0py> you still live as a young boy on alpha centauri
21:59 <+fleshdunce> right now
21:59 <~entr0py> you still live as a young boy on alpha centauri
21:59 <+fleshdunce> right now
21:59 <+fleshdunce> wtf are you talking about ent
21:59 <~entr0py> lol
22:00 <+fleshdunce> no one is living on alpha centauri, its a fucking star :P
22:00 <~entr0py> ok alpha centauri delta
22:00 <&alpaca> i really liked where the priest or whoever talked about the earth as a spaceship
22:00 <&alpaca> not sure if thats original or not
22:00 <&alpaca> but it is an interesting thought
22:00 <+fleshdunce> ive heard that analogy before
22:00 <~entr0py> not at all, but yeah
22:00 <+fleshdunce> but it is
22:00 <+fleshdunce> i like his description specifically 
22:00 <&alpaca> their propaganda to make them not want to explore
22:00 <~entr0py> didn't care for the ten commandments
22:00 <~entr0py> flipped through that pretty fast
22:00 <&alpaca> makes sense in a close minded way
22:00 <&alpaca> yeah i did too entr0py 
22:00 <&alpaca> the commandments
22:00 <&alpaca> i know them
22:01 <&alpaca> dont need to review
22:01 <+fleshdunce> ha yeah
22:01 <+fleshdunce> definitely has a bone to pick with the church 
22:01 <~entr0py> i love that bit about courage
22:01 <~entr0py> style and, what was it
22:01  * entr0py flips through book
22:01 <+krazykit> that's pretty normal for vonnegut
22:01  * entr0py flips through book
22:01 <+krazykit> that's pretty normal for vonnegut
22:01 <&alpaca> yeah
22:01 <&Luke> neurotic courage 
22:01 <&alpaca> with style and in style
22:01 <&alpaca> the difference
22:02 <+fleshdunce> yeah ha
22:02 <+fleshdunce> that was a good bit
22:02 <&alpaca> why does the butler called beatrice mum
22:02 <~entr0py> damn where is that
22:02 <&alpaca> i thought that was weird haha
22:02 <~entr0py> there was style and something else
22:02 <+fleshdunce> that might be a dated thing alpaca
22:02 <+fleshdunce> i think
22:03 <+fleshdunce> it was published in 59
22:03 <&alpaca> gallantry
22:03 <+krazykit> yep
22:03 <&alpaca> style and gallantry
22:03 <+krazykit> a britishism
22:03 <&alpaca> entr0py: 
22:03 <+krazykit> the butler, like all butlers, is british
22:03 <&alpaca> but certainly he is not her son
22:03 <&alpaca> i think of her as an old woman
22:03 <&alpaca> but shes 34
22:03 <~entr0py> yeah gallantry
22:03 <&Luke> woman of the house
22:03 <&alpaca> she might be smokin hot
22:03 <&Luke> she's not
22:03 <&Luke> ordinary
22:03 <&alpaca> oh yeah
22:03 <&Luke> with bucktooth lol
22:03 <&alpaca> oh yeah
22:03 <&alpaca> it does say that
22:04 <&alpaca> i remember now
22:04 <&Luke> could replace her head with a cannonball
22:04 <&alpaca> this is why discussions are good
22:04 <&Luke> liked that
22:04 <~entr0py> yeah luke
22:04 <~entr0py> was just going there
22:04 <&alpaca> we can solidify the material and make the experience richer!
22:04 <~entr0py> and how she steps back from the banister and suddenly she's just a small woman in a big house
22:04 <+fleshdunce> !
22:04 <+fleshdunce> plus you get high
22:04 <&alpaca> yeah entr0py 
22:04 <&alpaca> that description struck me
22:04 <+fleshdunce> i mean
22:04 <&alpaca> like all of a sudden she went from being showcased in lgith to hidden in shadows
22:04 <+fleshdunce> i think that is kinda going along with this whole notion of the world/universe being bigger
22:05 <~entr0py> another lovely bit of writing: "She had a goiter, a caramel apple, and a gray little six-year-old girl."
22:05 <&alpaca> and their insignificance
22:05 <+fleshdunce> like with rumfoord fading in and out and telling them how they will end up on various planets and what not
22:05 <&alpaca> they have mentioned your insignificance once
22:05 <+fleshdunce> there is just so much more out there
22:05 <&alpaca> or twice
22:05 <~entr0py> yeah
22:05 <+fleshdunce> and they make a big deal outta these small things on earth
22:05 <~entr0py> i love how rumsford tells im
22:05 <+fleshdunce> and they make a big deal outta these small things on earth
22:05 <~entr0py> "...but bred by the Martians - like farm animals"
22:05 <~entr0py> i'm like wutz
22:05 <+fleshdunce> hahah
22:05 <+fleshdunce> yeah
22:05 <+fleshdunce> that was awesome
22:05 <&alpaca> the martians sound evil
22:06 <+fleshdunce> uhm
22:06 <~entr0py> they do
22:06 <+fleshdunce> dude
22:06 <&alpaca> also maybe i missed this but when does it take place?
22:06 <+fleshdunce> and fucking radio antennaes 
22:06 <&alpaca> haha yeah
22:06 <~entr0py> yeah
22:06 <+fleshdunce> how can that not sound evil ?
22:06 <&alpaca> that make you not talk
22:06 <+dSyrup> "we will use the lower animals only"
22:06 <~entr0py> antennae = evil
22:06 <&alpaca> hahahah dSyrup 
22:06 <&alpaca> yes.
22:06 <&alpaca> yes
22:06 <&alpaca> thank you for reminding me of that line
22:06 <&alpaca> "the lower animals"
22:06 <+fleshdunce> and when does what take place
22:06 <&Luke> Progerse 
22:06 <+dSyrup> <3 it
22:06 <&alpaca> like there is some understood hierarchy
22:06 <+fleshdunce> and which line was that
22:06 <+dSyrup> creepy
22:06 <~entr0py> don't you think there is, alpaca?
22:07 <+dSyrup> pecking order
22:07 <&alpaca> 'If people listened to people like you, there wouldn't ever be any progerse. There wouldn't
22:07 <&alpaca> be the telephone or anything. And besides,' I  tell them and I tell you and I tell everybody, 'we
22:07 <&alpaca> 'If people listened to people like you, there wouldn't ever be any progerse. There wouldn't
22:07 <&alpaca> don't have to put people in the rocket ships. We will use the lower animals only.'"
22:07 <&alpaca> be the telephone or anything. And besides,' I  tell them and I tell you and I tell everybody, 'we
22:07 <&alpaca> don't have to put people in the rocket ships. We will use the lower animals only.'"
22:07 <&alpaca> sorry.
22:07 <+fleshdunce> oh yeah
22:07 <+fleshdunce> the presidents bit was amusing too
22:07 <~entr0py> there is an evolutionary pecking order
22:07 <~entr0py> it seems ot me
22:07 <~entr0py> humans are better than dogs
22:07 <+fleshdunce> pecking order?
22:07 <~entr0py> dogs are better than fish
22:07 <&alpaca> sure
22:07 <~entr0py> fish are better than grass
22:07 <&alpaca> sure
22:07 <&Luke> what bouts dogfish?
22:07 <~entr0py> or higher if you will
22:08 <&alpaca> anyways i think its kinda irrelevant, at least at this point in the book
22:08 <+dSyrup> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecking_order
22:08 <+Ganja> dSyrup's URL title: Pecking order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:08 <~entr0py> yeah just came up is all
22:08 <+fleshdunce> ty syrup
22:08 <&alpaca> ok so the corporations
22:09  * entr0py brews a coffee
22:09  * fleshdunce dirnks coffee liqueur 
22:09 <&alpaca> it almsot seems like rumfoord might be manipulating
22:09 <&alpaca> maybe not lying
22:09 <&alpaca> but he _has_ to do these things for some reason
22:09 <+fleshdunce> well he did say that he has seen how happy they are
22:09 <+fleshdunce> perhaps it is altruistic ?
22:09 <&alpaca> i mean, he sets the course for malachi to do what he does
22:09 <&alpaca> sells everything, goes crazy
22:09 <+fleshdunce> he wants malachi to bang his wife
22:10 <+fleshdunce> so he might just be a nice dude
22:10 <+fleshdunce> who happens to fade in and out of time
22:10 <~entr0py> he's discovered, through the expanse of space and time, the core of his true being, so what seems like preordination on the level of our usual pesronalities appears to him as the right and proper thing to do
22:10 <~entr0py> perhaps
22:11 <+fleshdunce> it time is indeed a rollercoaster, that would make plenty of sense to me
22:11 <+fleshdunce> i mean why fight it if he knows it is going to happen? if he has seen it ? that would be more convincing than anything else
22:12 <~entr0py> and if you know it's going to happen, why not embrace it and go along with it?
22:12 <~entr0py> work with it instead of struggling against it
22:12 <+fleshdunce> certainly
22:12 <~entr0py> but enough of this mystical mumbo jumbo
22:12 <~entr0py> just how hot are these sirens?
22:12 <+fleshdunce> seem pretty hot to me
22:13 <&alpaca> oh absolutely.
22:13 <+fleshdunce> arent sirens those things in mythology that called sailors to their death? on rocks?
22:13 <~entr0py> yeah
22:13 <&alpaca> they sing beautiful songs
22:13 <~entr0py> drawn irrestibly to their song, the sailors plunge to their doom
22:13 <&alpaca> yeah
22:13 <&alpaca> its frmo the odyssey originally i believe.
22:13 <~entr0py> speaking of that
22:13 <~entr0py> jonah and the whale
22:13 <&alpaca> lol, he got eated
22:14 <~entr0py> and then what spit back out and shit
22:14 <~entr0py> think that analogy has more to develop
22:14 <+fleshdunce> probably 
22:14 <~entr0py> but obv wasn't a coincidence that his alias was jonah
22:14 <&alpaca> hm.
22:14 <+fleshdunce> i wanna find a chrono synclastic infundibulum 
22:14 <&alpaca> i dont think we've gotten far enough for that.
22:15 <~entr0py> yeah agreed alpaca
22:15 <&alpaca> and name your kid chrono?
22:15 <+fleshdunce> im down
22:15 <&alpaca> wanna have a kid?
22:15  * fleshdunce does
22:15 <&alpaca> i hear artificial insemination is cool these days
22:15 <~entr0py> alpaca you gonna inseminiate flesh?
22:15 <+fleshdunce> you know who unk is paca?
22:15 <&alpaca> united hotcake is funny
22:15 <&alpaca> ok yeah i wanted to talk about that chapter
22:15 <&alpaca> the whole unk thing
22:15 <&Luke> that's constant 
22:16 <+fleshdunce> ^
22:16 <~entr0py> ^
22:16 <&alpaca> what
22:16 <+fleshdunce> yes
22:16 <+fleshdunce> re read
22:16 <&Luke> uses the same description 
22:16 <&alpaca> the confusion?
22:16 <+fleshdunce> they give you a big hint
22:16 <&alpaca> whats constant
22:16 <~entr0py> word for word
22:16 <&alpaca> wtf
22:16 <&Luke> as when you first meet him
22:16 <&alpaca> wtf
22:16 <&Luke> as when you first meet him
22:16 <&Luke> except
22:16 <&alpaca> are you tlaking about
22:16 <&Luke> he's going a little bald
22:16 <+fleshdunce> unk - malachi constant
22:16 <&alpaca> wow i really musta been asleep
22:16 <&Luke> chapter four is 8 years in the future
22:16 <+fleshdunce> yeah
22:16 <&alpaca> i was kinda falling asleep during chapter 4
22:16 <+krazykit> yeah, it was pretty obvious, iirc
22:16 <&alpaca> do they say it is?
22:16 <&Luke> yes
22:16 <+fleshdunce> not outright
22:16 <~entr0py> yes
22:16 <&Luke> well
22:16 <+fleshdunce> but they use the same description
22:17 <&alpaca> wow my bad
22:17 <~entr0py> not outright, and yes
22:17 <+fleshdunce> its 8 years in the future, hes about 40
22:17 <&alpaca> i told ent i needed to re-read that chapter
22:17 <+fleshdunce> etc
22:17 <&alpaca> i said "i think ikm missing something"
22:17 <+fleshdunce> its short anyway
22:17 <&alpaca> hahaha
22:17 <&Luke> it's really short
22:17 <+fleshdunce> yeah
22:17 <+fleshdunce> and he just choked someone the fuck out
22:17 <&alpaca> his best friend
22:17 <&alpaca> right?
22:17 <&alpaca> but he doesnt remember
22:17 <&Luke> yup
22:17 <+fleshdunce> supposedly 
22:17 <&alpaca> that its his friend because he was brainfwashed
22:17 <&alpaca> for being mentally ill
22:17 <&alpaca> and hes in the military?
22:17 <~entr0py> like "alpaca is a wild a crazy four-legged mammal who resides in tall grasses when not frolicking in the here and there" and "chris  is a wild a crazy four-legged mammal who resides in tall grasses when not frolicking in the here and there"
22:17 <&alpaca> and hes in the military?
22:17 <&alpaca> and has an antenna
22:17 <&alpaca> .
22:17 <+fleshdunce> yes
22:17 <+fleshdunce> on mars
22:17 <+fleshdunce> where they nom nom nom on oxygen pills
22:17 <+fleshdunce> to breathe
22:18 <+krazykit> man, you shit the bed on this one alpaca 
22:18 <&Luke> they have to take goofballs lol
22:18 <&alpaca> krazykit: i was seriously kinda nodding off haha 
22:18 <&alpaca> during that chapter
22:18 <~entr0py> so yeah
22:18 <~entr0py> did he ever get to serve as an officer?
22:18 <~entr0py> or was that a lure and he went straight to lobotomy?
22:18 <~entr0py> mayhap we'll find out
22:18 <+fleshdunce> well he said its been 8 years
22:18 <+fleshdunce> so
22:18 <+fleshdunce> id imagine he has some experience beforehand
22:19 <+krazykit> it doesn't say at this point
22:19 <~entr0py> instinct is he was officer but fucked up and got lobotomized
22:19 <+fleshdunce> and malachi's dad told him to be ready for anything...the martians let those who are willing to go be officers
22:19 <~entr0py> but yeah not sure yet
22:19 <+fleshdunce> so
22:19 <+fleshdunce> id think he would be an officer
22:19 <+fleshdunce> for a time anyway
22:19 <~entr0py> i'd imagine him screwing up pretty early
22:19 <+fleshdunce> but obviously something didnt work out since he was just brainwashed
22:19 <+fleshdunce> yeah
22:19 <+fleshdunce> he is a dick
22:19 <&alpaca> every time i see "brackman" i think "bracketman" haha
22:19 <~entr0py> just doesn't know how to act like a human
22:19 <+fleshdunce> lol
22:19 <+fleshdunce> yeah
22:19 <~entr0py> he has no experience ever being a human
22:19 <+fleshdunce> thats true
22:20 <~entr0py> like the buddha, but without any interest in checking it out
22:20 <&alpaca> oh hey i just picked up something i missed the first time
22:20 <+fleshdunce> hes just along for the ride
22:20 <&Luke> he was given a LT colonel position outright
22:20 <+fleshdunce> rea
22:20 <&alpaca> let me share:
22:20 <+fleshdunce> rea
22:20 <&alpaca> let me share:
22:20 <+fleshdunce> really
22:20 <&Luke> he did something to fuck it up
22:20 <+fleshdunce> luke we havent seen that yet
22:20 <~entr0py> yeah flesh
22:20 <&Luke> I know
22:20 <&Luke> but it's implied
22:20 <~entr0py> seems like he did tho
22:20 <&alpaca> A small, low-flying, fast-flying moon sailed in the violet sky overhead. Unk didn't know why he thought so, but he thought the moon was moving too fast. It didn't seem right. And the sky, he thought, should be blue instead of violet.
22:20 <&Luke> that's how they recruited him
22:20 <&alpaca> i missed that
22:20 <&alpaca> heh
22:20 <&Luke> and it says at the beginning of chapter four
22:20 <&alpaca> heh
22:20 <&Luke> and it says at the beginning of chapter four
22:20 <&Luke> that he is a private
22:20 <&Luke> of old age
22:20 <&Luke> hence Unk
22:21 <&alpaca> my paragraph describes mars :p
22:21 <~entr0py> right that's it
22:21 <&alpaca> my paragraph describes mars :p
22:21 <~entr0py> private of old age was the clue
22:21 <+fleshdunce> yeah unk is just a name given to someone of old age
22:21 <&alpaca> like uncle
22:21 <&Luke> yeah but right bEfore that it says that he lost his former position 
22:21 <+fleshdunce> true
22:21 <&alpaca> At the hospital they told him again and again and again that he was the best soldier in the best squad in the best platoon in the best company in the best battalion in the best regiment in the best division in the best army
22:21 <&alpaca> thats odd
22:22 <&Luke> so who dod you think is calling the shots on Mars?
22:22 <&alpaca> thats straight up brainwashing
22:22 <~entr0py> yeah alpaca
22:22 <&alpaca> luke they make a point to say that you kinda cant tell
22:22 <+fleshdunce> thats also ovnnegut's writing style
22:22 <~entr0py> luke rumsfoord just popped to mind
22:22 <+fleshdunce> he likes doing that sorta thing
22:22 <&alpaca> you cant tell the difference even from the leaders
22:22 <&alpaca> because theyre all taking orders from their antennas
22:22 <+fleshdunce> well the highest ranked dont have them
22:22 <+fleshdunce> remember
22:22 <&Luke> someone is pulling the strings
22:22 <+dSyrup> "...he eats the dates & drinks the water from the springs in the bed"
22:22 <~entr0py> the leaders' leaders are behind the curtain
22:22 <+dSyrup> BRILLIANT
22:23 <~entr0py> heh yeah i liked that
22:23 <&Luke> yeah I liked that part dsyrup
22:23 <&alpaca> yeah
22:23 <&alpaca> something from nothing
22:23 <&alpaca> or just trickery?
22:23 <&alpaca> does it imply trickery?!
22:23 <~entr0py> trickery
22:23 <+dSyrup> i like this book so far
22:23 <+dSyrup> :-D
22:23 <~entr0py> stone soup is soemthing from nothing
22:23 <&alpaca> stone soup sounds like it tases like rocks
22:23 <&alpaca> rocks arent very tasty
22:23 <~entr0py> if you eat paper and drink metal you're gonna be hurtin
22:23 <&alpaca> rocks arent very tasty
22:23 <~entr0py> no man
22:23 <&alpaca> ROCK CANDY, HOWEVER
22:23 <~entr0py> you don't know how to make stone soup alpaca?
22:23 <&Luke> i thought it just a clever pun 
22:23 <&alpaca> no
22:24 <~entr0py> ok the short of it
22:24 <~entr0py> toss a stone into a pot of water and start boiling it
22:24 <~entr0py> then you go tell your neighbor he can have some of your soup, but maybe he has some carrot to toss in it?
22:24 <~entr0py> then the next neighbor you ask for celery
22:24 <~entr0py> and then the whole village feasts
22:24 <~entr0py> with all this stuff in it
22:24 <&alpaca> and a rock?
22:24 <~entr0py> ^ poorly told
22:24 <~entr0py> the rock is just what gets you started
22:24 <~entr0py> you don't have to eat it
22:24 <&alpaca> why do you put a rock in the soup
22:24 <&Luke> lol
22:24 <&alpaca> why not just skip tha step
22:25 <~entr0py> because you have to start with SOME kind of soup
22:25 <&alpaca> would be more sanitary
22:25 <&Luke> you dodn't remember that story paca?
22:25 <&alpaca> would be more sanitary
22:25 <&Luke> it's a trick to mooch off others
22:25 <~entr0py> it's a communist plot
22:25 <&alpaca> i just ask
22:25 <&alpaca> im shameless
22:25 <&alpaca> hahah entr0py 
22:25 <&alpaca> ok anyways
22:25 <+fleshdunce> rented a tent, a tent, a tent..
22:26 <~entr0py> rented a tent, a tent, a tent..
22:26 <&alpaca> At the hospital they even had to explain to Unk that there was a radio antenna under the crown of his skull, and that it would hurt him whenever he did something a good soldier wouldn't ever do. The antenna also would give him orders and furnish drum music to march to. They said that not just Unk but everybody had an antenna like that . doctors and nurses and four-star generals included. It was a very democratic army, they said
22:26 <+fleshdunce> i loved that the image that made in my head
22:26 <+fleshdunce> ha yeah
22:26 <+fleshdunce> democratic 
22:26 <~entr0py> wifey plays doodlejump on her phone, whenever she gets near a monster all i hear is "dirty rum, dirty rum, durty rum"
22:26 <+fleshdunce> i just enjoyed the whole picture painted on mars
22:26 <+fleshdunce> haha
22:26 <~entr0py> so bleak
22:27 <~entr0py> headtennae
22:27 <&alpaca> they train you to not think for yourself
22:27 <~entr0py> but you know
22:27 <&alpaca> respond immediately without hesitation
22:27 <&alpaca> etc
22:27 <~entr0py> one imagines vonnegut might be suggesting that humanity wanders around as if headtennaed
22:27 <+fleshdunce> yeah i mean they tell us this is a democracy
22:27 <+fleshdunce> is it ?
22:27 <+fleshdunce> would be the thing to ask
22:27 <&alpaca> the martians are like the nazis
22:27 <&alpaca> :O
22:27 <+fleshdunce> id say hes right in many aspects, lots of fokls i meet may as well have a fucking antennae 
22:27 <+fleshdunce> vonnegut was in WWII
22:28 <+fleshdunce> if you didnt know
22:28 <&alpaca> did not
22:28 <+fleshdunce> you know dresden ?
22:28 <+fleshdunce> 130k people killed? city was leveled?
22:28 <+krazykit> he mentions it in a couple of his books
22:28 <+krazykit> white phosphorus bombs
22:28 <+krazykit> the bricks melted
22:28 <+fleshdunce> vonnegut was there
22:28 <+fleshdunce> when it was bombed
22:28 <&alpaca> fleshdunce: yes i actually know a ll about dresden
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22:29 <&Luke> Yephe was there
22:29 <&Luke> yeah
22:29 <&Luke> Yephe was there
22:29 <&Luke> yeah
22:29 <&alpaca> quazy: you're tardy
22:29 -!- mode/#420-books [+v quazy] by ChanServ
22:29  * Luke gets thE tardy whip
22:29 <&alpaca> fleshdunce: later, remind me to show you symphony #1
22:29 <&alpaca> its a song tribute to dresden
22:29 <+fleshdunce> mmk
22:29 <+quazy> why are we doing voice and +m
22:29 <+quazy> also
22:29 <&alpaca> so people dont bug us
22:29 <+quazy> i was initally simply not going to be here
22:29 <~entr0py> glad you're here quazy
22:29 <&alpaca> fleshdunce: its a typical brass/wind arrangement but its CRAZY
22:29 <&alpaca> also need to show you entr0py 
22:30 <&alpaca> i performed it in high school
22:30  * Luke whips quazy with the glad you're here whip instead
22:30 <&alpaca> i performed it in high school
22:30  * Luke whips quazy with the glad you're here whip instead
22:30 <+fleshdunce> oooo
22:30 <~entr0py> how did rumsfoord make his flamillions?
22:30 <&alpaca> was extremely difficult
22:30 <+quazy> also, fucking liquor store didnt have what i want. *drinks delicious boddington's bitterly* thanks entr0py 
22:30 <&alpaca> was extremely difficult
22:30 <+quazy> also, fucking liquor store didnt have what i want. *drinks delicious boddington's bitterly* thanks entr0py 
22:30 <+quazy> lol Luke 
22:30 <+quazy> it hurts so good baby
22:30 <+quazy> hm
22:30 <+quazy> did it tell us that?
22:30 <&Luke> sometimes love don't feel as it should
22:30 <~entr0py> i don't remember it doing so quazy
22:30 <~entr0py> but maybe i just don't remember
22:30 <~entr0py> anybody?
22:30 <+quazy> me neither
22:30 <&Luke> I really like how the first chapter starts
22:30 <~entr0py> maybe we don't know
22:30 <&Luke> "Everyone knows how to find meaning of life within himself"
22:31 <~entr0py> yeah well i could go on about the narrator's intro for hours luke
22:31 <&Luke> about pushing outward for answers
22:31 <&Luke> his commentary on the space race at the time
22:31 <~entr0py> but it'd be my same boring crap all over again
22:31 <&Luke> believe this was writtin in 59
22:31 <&alpaca> polease do ent
22:31 <&alpaca> im out of things to comment on
22:31 <&alpaca> without re-skimming
22:31 <+quazy> yeah that's another thing. the style of narrative feels dated
22:31 <&alpaca> its dull but i like it
22:31 <+fleshdunce> i dont think we know how rumfoord got his money
22:31 <&alpaca> its dull but i like it
22:31 <&alpaca> not dull
22:31 <&alpaca> but...uhhh
22:31 <&alpaca> dry?
22:31 <&alpaca> im not sure
22:31 <+fleshdunce> it has that bit about how he was a member of the most elite classes of americans
22:31 <&alpaca> it has that old sci fi feel to it i guess is what im saying
22:32 <~entr0py> what do you think of the idea that outwardness has a limit of interest to us, and that the inward journey is as yet untapped?
22:32 <&Luke> well it is fifty years old
22:32 <&alpaca> entr0py: im glad you reminded me of that
22:32 <+fleshdunce> i think that comes from influences at the time as luke had said
22:32 <+quazy> there was a few pop culture things i was curious about too. dude calls their mansion whitehall. irl whitehall burned down
22:32 <+fleshdunce> the space race
22:32 <&alpaca> i guess i dont have much more to say about it but i forgot about that bit
22:32 <~entr0py> to my eyes, the first two pages set up the story in one very particular way, that there is some kind of metaphysics/mysticism afoot
22:32 <+quazy> well not pop culture, allusions
22:33 <&alpaca> i need to re-read first chapter
22:33 <+fleshdunce> i dont think mysticism would be the right word ent
22:33 <&alpaca> anyone wanna take 5-10 and re-skim it?!
22:33 <+fleshdunce> but i hear what youre saying
22:33 <&alpaca> anyone wanna take 5-10 and re-skim it?!
22:33 <&alpaca> then discuss
22:33 <~entr0py> the entire first chapter?22:33 <~entr0py> the entire first chapter?

22:33 <&Luke> you can if you like
22:33 <~entr0py> i mean i'll browse it
22:33 <&alpaca> just a re-skim
22:33 <+quazy> lol
22:33 <&alpaca> just a re-skim
22:33 <+quazy> u read this today
22:33 <&alpaca> ill do it
22:33 <&alpaca> quazy: yeah i did read this today :p 
22:33 <&alpaca> at work haha
22:34 <+fleshdunce> In short, o the basis of horse sense and the best scientific information, there was nothing good to be said for the epxloration of space.
22:34 <&Luke> yes 
22:34 <+fleshdunce> i think that shows its definitely commenting on the space race
22:34 <+fleshdunce> from pg25 in the book itself
22:34 <+quazy> Rumfoord's palm was callused, but not horny like the palm of a man doomed to a single trade for all of his days. The calluses were perfectly even, made by the thousand happy labors of an active leisure class. p11
22:34 <&alpaca> diod that turn you on quazy 
22:34 <+fleshdunce> leisure class = rich
22:34 <&alpaca> thinking about sexy man hands
22:34 <~entr0py> yeah flesh, but forget pg25, it's on pg1
22:35 <+quazy> soft man hands used to eating soft cheeses, counting money, n rubbin titties
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22:35 <&alpaca> how vulgar
22:35 -!- mode/#420-books [+v superkuh] by ChanServ
22:35 <&alpaca> how vulgar
22:35 <&alpaca> this is a book club
22:35 <&alpaca> not a strip bclub
22:35  * quazy sips his chardonnay
22:35  * alpaca spanks quazy 
22:35  * Luke gets more bud to roast
22:35 <+dSyrup> HAHAHAHA
22:35 <+fleshdunce> 53 portals to the soul
22:35 <&Luke> haha yeah
22:35 <&alpaca> oh yeah fleshy
22:35 <+fleshdunce> entr0py: youre right about the intro
22:35 <&alpaca> oh yeah fleshy
22:35 <+quazy> alpaca yer gonna get me all hot and bothered here boy >:|
22:35 <+fleshdunce> like on the first page
22:35 <~entr0py> superkuh login
22:35 <~entr0py> identify
22:35 <+quazy> uh oh
22:35 <+quazy> lol
22:36 <+superkuh> eh?
22:36 <&alpaca> yea i think authors intentionally put lots of hidden stuff in the intro
22:36 <~entr0py> oh you did get voiced
22:36 <~entr0py> weird nm
22:36 <&alpaca> because you forget all about it
22:36 <&alpaca> and when you read it again youre like
22:36 <&alpaca> LSDOHSHIT
22:36 <+fleshdunce> its interesting cuz i think although the book at first may seem to advocate some sort of mysticism, i think its more along the lines of showing how little we may know right now
22:36 <+quazy> of course
22:36 <+fleshdunce> ya know
22:36 <&alpaca> woah didnt meant o type lsd
22:36 <&alpaca> weird.
22:36 <+quazy> the intro will come back big time
22:36 <+fleshdunce> like we think we know, but theres still so much we dont understand
22:36 <&alpaca> stfu quazy you spoiler
22:36 <~entr0py> flesh nobody knows how little we know more than a mystic
22:36 <+fleshdunce> bit of a more humble view of humanity
22:36 <+fleshdunce> okay hippie
22:36 <+fleshdunce> :P
22:36 <~entr0py> :p
22:37 <&alpaca> fleshdunce: you're a hippie
22:37 <+fleshdunce> NEVAR
22:37 <&Luke> dirty hippies 
22:37 <&alpaca> The town was Newport, Rhode Island, U.S.A., Earth, Solar System, Milky Way.
22:37 <&alpaca> heh
22:37 <+superkuh> So, what's the schedule for the rest of the book so we can talk about the good stuff?
22:37 <&alpaca> next monday
22:37 <+quazy> what kinda themes are you guys seeing coming together
22:37 <~entr0py> cpas 5-8 next monday
22:37 <&alpaca> are the next...4 chapterS?
22:37 <+fleshdunce> we will need to decide how much to read
22:37 <+quazy> chapter 4 is so different
22:37 <+quazy> from 1-3
22:37 <~entr0py> yeah 4 more chapters i think
22:37 <&alpaca> ok, themes so far
22:37 <~entr0py> aren'tt there 12 total?
22:37 <&Luke> 12 
22:37 <&alpaca> whats the word...
22:37 <&Luke> plus prologue
22:37 <&alpaca> whats the word...
22:37 <&Luke> plus prologue
22:38 <&alpaca> i didnt read the epilogue
22:38 <+fleshdunce> epilogue
22:38 <&alpaca> i didnt read the epilogue
22:38 <&alpaca> was there one?
22:38 <~entr0py> yeah alpaca
22:38 <+fleshdunce> epi = at the end
22:38 <&alpaca> woops
22:38 <&alpaca> oh
22:38 <&Luke> smeant epilogue
22:38 <&alpaca> the prologue?
22:38 <+fleshdunce> i didnt have a prologue in my copey
22:38 <&alpaca> was it important?
22:38 <~entr0py> there's no prologue
22:38 <+quazy> in chaps 1-3. there isnt too much about subjugation, but that's all chapter 4 is about
22:38 <&alpaca> ok
22:38 <~entr0py> you didn't miss anything alpaca
22:38 <&alpaca> whew
22:38  * alpaca wipes sweat off forehead
22:38 <&Luke> so 5-8 for next week
22:38 <~entr0py> quazyi think there may be some subjugation in the earlier bit
22:38 <+quazy> is there subjugaton stuff in 1-3? rumsfoord is pretty paternalistic to everybody
22:38 <+quazy> his wife included i suppose
22:39 <~entr0py> only rumsfoord
22:39 <+quazy> also the millionare dude
22:39 <+fleshdunce> i think that has something to do with his class too
22:39 <+quazy> after that party
22:39 <&Luke> wife/third cousin
22:39 <~entr0py> the rest, teh wife and malachi and the business man, all out for themsleves
22:39 <~entr0py> a sort of subjugation
22:39 <+fleshdunce> since hes supposed to be of the leisure class
22:39 <&alpaca> heh i like how the door is described as an "Alice-in-Wonderland" door
22:39 <~entr0py> they're all on autopilot
22:39 <+fleshdunce> haha
22:39 <+fleshdunce> yeah
22:39 <+fleshdunce> thats a good clue to things gettin crazy
22:39 <&alpaca> whats subjugation
22:39 <&alpaca> oh is that what you do with verbs
22:39 <~entr0py> picking stocks from the bible is a sort of autopilot
22:39 <~entr0py> to dominate
22:39 <&Luke> subjugate
22:39 <~entr0py> to headtenna
22:39 <+quazy> yeah
22:39 <&alpaca> they all want "everything for nothing"
22:40 <+quazy> there is also a lot in this about fate vs chance
22:40 <+quazy> that will come up strongly as we go along i think
22:40 <~entr0py> yes
22:40 <~entr0py> destiny
22:40 <+fleshdunce> i think picking stocks from the bible just goes into the role that fate plays
22:40 <~entr0py> destiny
22:40 <+fleshdunce> i think picking stocks from the bible just goes into the role that fate plays
22:40 <+quazy> pre determined or not
22:40 <+quazy> seems pre atm
22:40 <+quazy> rumsfoord mentions his wife's future life etc
22:40 <+fleshdunce> i mean they kinda just said that yeah
22:40 <+quazy> and how everything will turn out excellent for her
22:40 <+fleshdunce> YOULL BE BANGING MALACHI ON MARS
22:40 <&alpaca> and he DOES lie to his wife
22:40 <+quazy> "Yes," said Rumfoord genially, "I told her that you and she were to be married on Mars." He shrugged. "Not married exactly ? " he said, "but bred by the Martians ? like farm animals." p14
22:41 <+quazy> heh
22:41 <+fleshdunce> lol yeah
22:41 <~entr0py> what does picking stocks from the bible tell us about fate, tho?  that there is predestiny? or that there's not?
22:41 <+quazy> but clearly rumsfoord fucks with his wife's head
22:41 <+quazy> yeah
22:41 <+quazy> entr0py 
22:41 <&alpaca> quazy wants to be treated like a farm animal when it comes to breeding
22:41 <~entr0py> lol
22:41 <~entr0py> says alpaca
22:41 <+quazy> that it's a long picture of madness and wild factors
22:41 <+quazy> that the bible was written
22:41 <&alpaca> touche entr0py 
22:41 <+quazy> so that malachi sr could get rich
22:41 <+quazy> and end up in this position
22:41 <+quazy> so that he could go to mars
22:41 <+quazy> etc
22:41 <&alpaca> yeah, how does religion play into all of this
22:41 <+fleshdunce> entr0py: i think it definitely is pushing toward the whole fate thing
22:41 <&alpaca> yeah, how does religion play into all of this
22:41 <&alpaca> no one seems religious
22:41 <&alpaca> wait
22:41 <&alpaca> scratch that
22:42 <+fleshdunce> and the fact that it comes outta the bible i think is irony sorta
22:42 <+quazy> that the bible had some hermetic truths
22:42 <&alpaca> i think theres more to that
22:42 <+quazy> just not what you'd think
22:42 <+quazy> heh
22:42 <&Luke> I don't
22:42 <&alpaca> define hermetic.
22:42 <+quazy> nothing about morality
22:42 <+fleshdunce> just to the extent that he is making guesses based on it, kinda making it seem silly
22:42 <+fleshdunce> yeah quazy
22:42 <+quazy> hermetic=hidden truths
22:42 <&alpaca> oh
22:42 <+fleshdunce> like it can be used to make money
22:42 <&alpaca> oh
22:42 <+fleshdunce> specifically
22:42 <&alpaca> like morals and stuff?
22:42 <&alpaca> pj
22:42 <&alpaca> oh
22:42 <+fleshdunce> is an interesting statement
22:42 <+quazy> no
22:42 <&alpaca> HIDDEN CODES?!
22:42 <+quazy> like lots of ppl say dont be a literalist
22:43 <+quazy> but there are truths buried in code in religious texts
22:43 <+quazy> that's hermeticism
22:43 <&Luke> those same codes
22:43 <~entr0py> as for instance, revelations is a yoga manual
22:43 <+quazy> yeah lol
22:43 <&Luke> can be used on any tome big enough
22:43 <+quazy> is it?
22:43 <+quazy> do they mention that?
22:43 <~entr0py> yeah
22:43 <&Luke> yo ucan do the same with with Moby Dick
22:43 <~entr0py> seven seals = 7 chakras
22:43 <+quazy> gangster entr0py 
22:43 <+quazy> still
22:43 <&alpaca> ooooook
22:43 <~entr0py> leviathan = kundalini
22:43 <&alpaca> ooooook
22:43 <~entr0py> take it from there
22:43 <+quazy> they recently decided they translated genesis wrong
22:43 <+quazy> and it mighta taken 8 days
22:43 <&alpaca> is the bible a sex guide
22:43 <~entr0py> lol
22:43 <+quazy> and a bunch of shit like tthat
22:43 <~entr0py> alpaca yes there's plenty of that in there
22:43 <&alpaca> i knew it
22:44 <&alpaca> i knew it
22:44 <&alpaca> ive never read the bible
22:44 <&Luke> Jesus dies
22:44 <&Luke> HAHAHA
22:44 <&Luke> spoiler!!
22:44 <~entr0py> so nobody answered me
22:44 <+quazy> yes?
22:44 <+fleshdunce> i thought i did
22:44 <+fleshdunce> no one else listened :(
22:44 <~entr0py> do you think there's anything to the idea that the external push has a finite value, and that the inner journey is the next logical course for humanity?
22:45 <~entr0py> did you flesh?
22:45 <~entr0py> sorry
22:45 <+fleshdunce> you mean in the context of the book? or generally?
22:45 <&alpaca> im not reallynsure how to answer that
22:45 <&Luke> has a finite value?
22:45 <~entr0py> generally flesh
22:45 <+fleshdunce> YOU DAMN HIPPIE
22:45 <~entr0py> yeah luke
22:45 <&alpaca> like i dont undestand the concept
22:45 <&Luke> what do you mean by that? 
22:45 <&alpaca> not really grapsing that
22:45 <+fleshdunce> like
22:45 <~entr0py> a finite value as described in teh frist page and a half
22:45 <+quazy> oh right
22:45 <+fleshdunce> do you look up
22:45 -!- Strings [~Strings@4.2.0] has joined #420-books
22:45 -!- mode/#420-books [+ao Strings Strings] by ChanServ
22:45 <+fleshdunce> towards heaven
22:45 -!- mode/#420-books [+ao Strings Strings] by ChanServ
22:45 <+fleshdunce> towards heaven
22:45 <+quazy> i absolutely do entr0py 
22:45 <+fleshdunce> or to the sky
22:45 <+fleshdunce> and space
22:45 <+fleshdunce> or do you look in
22:45 <&Luke> oi strings
22:45 <+fleshdunce> like ent does
22:45 <+quazy> not inward tho. social
22:45 <&Luke> welcome
22:45 <&Strings> i don't want to interrupt
22:45 <&alpaca> in to what though?
22:45 <~entr0py> yo strings
22:45 <+fleshdunce> yourself paca
22:45 <&Strings> because my book hasn't arrived yet
22:45 <~entr0py> ok
22:45 <&alpaca> ...
22:45 <&Strings> but when's the next chat?
22:45 <+superkuh> entr0py: I think a greater understanding of that which is perceived as internal will be accomplished only be describing it with the methods discovered by exploring 'outwardly', or empirically.
22:46 <~entr0py> my reading is that mankind pushed ever outward
22:46 <+fleshdunce> dont you ever reflect on anything paca?
22:46 <&Luke> next monday
22:46 <+dSyrup> HI TRINGS
22:46 <&Luke> 5 PM EST
22:46 <~entr0py> i agree superkuh
22:46 <&alpaca> i use mirrors for reflecting fleshdunce 
22:46 <+quazy> it isnt about internal things. but we will discover our place as members of a collective more, when we realize there is more in our heads than out there
22:46 <&alpaca> i use mirrors for reflecting fleshdunce 
22:46 <+quazy> absolutely entr0py 
22:46 <+superkuh> s/be/by/
22:46 <&Strings> alpaca just told me there was a PDF anyway
22:46 <~entr0py> scientific illumnism, superkuh
22:46 <&Luke> there is strings on the wiki
22:46 <+fleshdunce> did ouy make up that ism
22:46 <~entr0py> no
22:46 <&Strings> yeh sorry i didn't notice it :/
22:46 <~entr0py> crowley did
22:46 <&alpaca> ok let me say this:
22:46 <+quazy> so not so much that we will research our 'selfs' further, but our selfs as part of everything
22:46 <&alpaca> ok let me say this:
22:46 <&Strings> i really wish i had seen it
22:46 <&alpaca> weve talked about how people are self centered here
22:46 <&alpaca> and now we're talking about looking farther in?
22:47 <~entr0py> alpaca
22:47 <+fleshdunce> being self centered is different than looking in
22:47 <~entr0py> there's a distinction
22:47 <~entr0py> self-centered vs ego-centered
22:47 <&alpaca> ok
22:47 <&Strings> should i stay?
22:47 <&alpaca> if youd like pal
22:47 <&Strings> or will i get spoilered
22:47 <&alpaca> if youd like pal
22:47 <~entr0py> yes strings
22:47 <~entr0py> it's fine
22:47 <+fleshdunce> youll get spoilered
22:47 <&Strings> well i do actually want to read the damn book
22:47 <+fleshdunce> youll get spoilered
22:47 <&Strings> well i do actually want to read the damn book
22:47 <~entr0py> i should think
22:47 <+fleshdunce> most likely
22:47 <+quazy> that in terms of science and research, we might find there is more happening in our heads on some deep philisophical level than out in the world
22:47 <+quazy> right
22:47 <~entr0py> i mean you will get spoilers but
22:47 <&Strings> but if there's a PDF...
22:47 <~entr0py> anyway
22:47 <&alpaca> Strings: want me to send you the pdf?
22:47 <&Strings> yeh man that'd be grand
22:48 <&alpaca> sent Strings 
22:48 <&Strings> what's the issue at hand then? if not plot/book related?
22:48 <&Strings> merci <3
22:48 <~entr0py> "only the human soul remained terra incognita"
22:48 <&alpaca> you can thank kafitz for the PDF
22:48 <&Strings> shall do
22:48 <~entr0py> "what were people like in olden times, with their souls as yet unexplored?"
22:48 <&alpaca> i guess im not a spiritual person and dont understand the looking inwards thing
22:48 <+quazy> we have yet to start working on our ESP etc
22:48 <&alpaca> i guess im not a spiritual person and dont understand the looking inwards thing
22:48 <&alpaca> i dont understand whats there to see
22:48 <+quazy> and i hope we do before it's just that we ran out of space to explore
22:48 <&Luke> lol paca
22:49 <&alpaca> im wording it terribly
22:49 <&alpaca> im missing how it fits our plot
22:49 <+quazy> yeah entr0py i start wondering about that. he says that the story is ocuring in olden times right?
22:49 <&alpaca> no
22:49 <~entr0py> it fits our plot because this is what is discused in the first page and a half of the book, alpac a
22:49 <&alpaca> no
22:49 <~entr0py> yeah quazy
22:49 <&alpaca> its between WWII and the third great depression
22:49 <&alpaca> iirc
22:49 <&alpaca> isnt it?
22:49 <~entr0py> between wwii and the third depression
22:49 <+quazy> we are examinging ppl who unlike roomford (guess) have not explored their souls
22:49  * Strings writes all this down
22:49 <+quazy> the price of exploring your soul
22:49 <+quazy> might be existing infindubulm
22:49 <+quazy> :o
22:49 <&Luke> ha 
22:49 <~entr0py> iow
22:49 <~entr0py> olden times is about 300 years from now
22:49 <~entr0py> give or take 200
22:50 <&Strings> only the human soul remained terra incognita
22:50 <~entr0py> quazy you're right btw
22:50 <&Strings> implying that everything else had been discovered/explored already?
22:50 <~entr0py> that may well be a price
22:50 <&Strings> implying that everything else had been discovered/explored already?
22:50 <~entr0py> yeah strings
22:50 <&Luke> yes
22:50 <&alpaca> entr0py: i know that it is discussed in the chapters, im asking to make more concrete connections to other themes or parts of the book we read
22:50 <&Luke> on earth
22:50 <~entr0py> read the first page and a half real quick strings
22:50 <~entr0py> the narrator's intro
22:50 <&alpaca> its irrelevant to me now, i need more clarification
22:50 <&Strings> righto
22:50  * Strings reads
22:50 <~entr0py> ahpaca
22:50 <+quazy> it makes a lot of sense actually. now that we are talking about this, im a lot more excited by the premise
22:50 <+quazy> i kinda forgot it
22:50 <~entr0py> well what quazy just raised is interesting, for instance
22:50 <+quazy> it is pretty brilliant. only exploring our inner selves and whatnot
22:50 <+quazy> after physical matters
22:50 <~entr0py> rumsfoord "flew into the infindibulum" as a result of his self-exploration
22:51 <+quazy> oh true
22:51 <~entr0py> that we all endure the infinidibulum if we turn inward
22:51 <&alpaca> ahh
22:51 <+quazy> and he did it not for him
22:51 <+quazy> but for the sake of doing it
22:51 <&alpaca> ty ent.
22:51 <+quazy> what did it mean by that
22:51 <&alpaca> ty ent.
22:51 <+quazy> was the nar being sarcastic?
22:51 <~entr0py> and alpaca all these ideas of destiny are intertwined with ideas related to inner-looking
22:51 <+quazy> rumfoords selflessness was confusing
22:51 <&alpaca> i suppose so
22:51 <&alpaca> our ability to choose our path
22:51 <~entr0py> or to *think* we're choosing our path
22:51 <&alpaca> and the effects of external stimuli
22:51 <&alpaca> yeah thats what i mean
22:51 <~entr0py> the effects of external stimuli are best exemplified by the fact that a few micrograms of a chemical can cause wild changes in consciousness
22:52 <+quazy> so by that token, arent we only exploring our souls because it is the determined path?
22:52 <~entr0py> yes perhaps quazy
22:52 <&Strings> yeh
22:52 <~entr0py> surely, even
22:52 <+quazy> isnt everything only happening because it has to. wonder if thatll be a climactic element
22:52 <&Strings> surely olden times just means "times when the soul wasn't known"
22:52  * Strings keeps readin'
22:52 <&Luke> caveman times
22:52 <~entr0py> no
22:52 <~entr0py> he means now
22:52 <&alpaca> thats when entr0py was born
22:52 <&alpaca> caveman times
22:53 <~entr0py> don't i wish
22:53 <~entr0py> back when borat weddings were de reigeur
22:53 <~entr0py> well
22:53 <&alpaca> oh hey
22:53 <&Strings> ok 've read it
22:53 <&alpaca> what was the thing winston gave him?
22:53 <&Strings> the entire book
22:53 <&alpaca> with the sirejns on it
22:53 <&alpaca> its not a picture right?
22:53 <&alpaca> is it some sort of harry potter animated picture?
22:53 <~entr0py> no some kind of martian tech i think
22:53 <&alpaca> a video screen?!
22:54 <+quazy> those sires sound hot btw amirite
22:54 <~entr0py> not quite a video screen
22:54 <~entr0py> but 3d
22:54 <+quazy> what u guys think will happen with the sirens
22:54 <+quazy> who are they?
22:54 <~entr0py> i imagined one of those old vinyl things that you flipped this way and that to get a different perspective
22:54 <&alpaca> hes gonna bang em and get aids
22:54 <+quazy> what purpose do they serve?
22:54 <&alpaca> hes gonna bang em and get aids
22:54 <+quazy> what purpose do they serve?
22:54 <~entr0py> they'll lure him to his doom, quazy
22:54 <+quazy> maybe u only see what u want to see?
22:54 <~entr0py> that's what sirens do
22:54 <&alpaca> like a hologram entr0py ? haha
22:54 <+quazy> right true
22:54 <~entr0py> yeah kinda alpaca
22:54 <+quazy> maybe the sirens are different for everyone...
22:54 <&alpaca> they arent
22:54 <~entr0py> alpaca, definitely martian tech of some kind
22:55 <&alpaca> what kind of relationship does rumfoord have witht eh martians?
22:55 <~entr0py> and so in answer to flesh's question, i still offer rumsfoord as possible uberlord of the martians
22:55 <&alpaca> what kind of relationship does rumfoord have witht eh martians?
22:55 <&Luke> the sirens are a trick 
22:55 <&alpaca> do they talk about that at all?
22:55 <&alpaca> oi
22:55 <+quazy> and for some ppl like rumfoord, the siren was the chance at exploring something new no one else explored. and thats why the nar makes such a big deal about his selflessness being the purpose
22:55 <+quazy> hm no.
22:55 <~entr0py> sorry shoudl i have let you ask first akpaca?
22:55 <&alpaca> entr0py havent you read this?
22:55 <~entr0py> long ago
22:55 <~entr0py> shhh
22:55 <~entr0py> before you were born i think
22:55 <&Strings> i've read 2 pages
22:55 <&Strings> what be we discussing?
22:55 <&alpaca> through page 51
22:55 <&alpaca> in our pdf
22:55 <&Luke> chapters 1-4
22:55 <&Strings> oh deary me
22:55 <&Strings> i'm going to be as much use as a chocolate teapot
22:56  * alpaca eats strings
22:56 <~entr0py> alpaca some of the little details come back as clear memories but its still quite spoilable for me
22:56 <~entr0py> man
22:56 <&alpaca> please dont spoil it for me
22:56 <&alpaca> haha
22:56 <~entr0py> chocolate teapot would be so far from useless
22:56 <&Strings> well it might have one use
22:56 <&alpaca> yeah, ie gifting it to a lady and then her sexing you
22:56 <~entr0py> lol
22:57 <~entr0py> chocolate teapot = sexgetter
22:57 <&Strings> don't let me derail this into nonsense
22:57 <&alpaca> yeah please dont
22:57 <+quazy> also
22:57 <&alpaca> yeah please dont
22:57 <&Strings> i'll just idle
22:57 <+quazy> also
22:57 <&Strings> i'll just idle
22:57 <&alpaca> back to sirens
22:57 <&Strings> and work double quick to read for next week
22:57 <+quazy> why this rented a tent onomotopeia?
22:57 <+quazy> also, not quite an onomotopeia
22:57 <~entr0py> it's what a drum sounds like quazy
22:57 <+quazy> but yeah
22:57 <&alpaca> its a ltierary device
22:57 <+quazy> wow lol really?
22:57 <&alpaca> for sure
22:57 <&alpaca> catchy
22:57 <~entr0py> yeah you can't hear that quazy?
22:57 <+quazy> maybe!
22:57 <~entr0py> sing it quazy
22:57 <~entr0py> out loud
22:58 <~entr0py> the whole paragraphful
22:58 <+superkuh> I enjoyed the book quite a bit and read it in one sitting. I won't say anything. I have read Ice Nine already, can anyone recommend other Kurt Vonnegut books of this style?
22:58 <+quazy> yeah i supppppose... i guess also partially it represents the soldier's mindset; vacuous empty mental shanenigans
22:58 <&alpaca> you mean cats cradle?
22:58 <&alpaca> isnt that the name of it?
22:58 <+quazy> like not concentrating on anything but a simple sound
22:58 <+superkuh> ....yes.
22:58 <+quazy> like not concentrating on anything but a simple sound
22:58 <+superkuh> ....yes.
22:58 <+superkuh> Sorry.
22:58 <&alpaca> heh its all good
22:59 <&alpaca> we should read that though
22:59 <&alpaca> its rhythmic
22:59 <&alpaca> like it accents
22:59 <&alpaca> the phrase
22:59 <~entr0py> well
22:59 <~entr0py> i wouldn't be dissatisfied if we had little else to say on the subject
23:00 <+quazy> there was several little things i was curoius about
23:00 <&alpaca> such as
23:00 <&alpaca> im gonna wrap up here at work soon
23:00 <&alpaca> seems like conversation is dying a bit
23:01 <&alpaca> final thoughts etc?
23:01 <+quazy> like why the bowl of the fountain is described as beelzebub. just a devil of a bowl? that simple? also. i was wondering why they call the mansion a replica of whitehall
23:01 <+quazy> and they suggest it has permanence
23:01 <+quazy> when the real whitehall burned down
23:01 <~entr0py> i think so re beelzebub quazy
23:01 <&alpaca> to me it was just descriptive
23:01 <~entr0py> and didn't know that about real whitehall so hmm
23:01 <&alpaca> but then again im not a brilliant reader :p
23:01 <+quazy> p10 is he being ironic when he describes this whitehall, the original palace it is copied from having  burned down after almost 200y of awesome as "a better essay on permanence than the Great Pyramid"??
23:02 <+fleshdunce> alpaca just reading is awesome
23:02 <+fleshdunce> eitherway
23:02 <~entr0py> dunno quazy
23:02 <&alpaca> yes fleshdunce 
23:02 <+fleshdunce> dont need to be brilliant ;)(
23:02 <&alpaca> and id like to get better
23:02 <&alpaca> its like music
23:02 <+fleshdunce> and you do
23:02 <&alpaca> its like music
23:02 <+quazy> i dont enjoy reading if im not in control of the text to be fair
23:02 <&alpaca> you dont have to understand music in depth to enjoy it
23:02 <&alpaca> but the more you listen to it, the better you get
23:03 <+fleshdunce> so you arent enjoying this club quazy?
23:03 <+fleshdunce> :(
23:03 <&alpaca> both are pretty concrete art forms
23:03 <+fleshdunce> weve only just started
23:03 <+quazy> nono
23:03 <+quazy> i meant
23:03 <&alpaca> if he cant choose
23:03 <&alpaca> what book
23:03 <+quazy> in control of the text like... i can produce a mental map of it and recall the important plot points and how theyre related
23:03 <+quazy> etc
23:03 <&alpaca> oh nvm.
23:03 <&alpaca> i was wrong..
23:03 <&alpaca> i think im gonna head out fellas.
23:03 <&alpaca> i really enjoyed this
23:03 <~entr0py> later alpaca
23:03 <~entr0py> me too
23:03 <+fleshdunce> later paca
23:03 <+quazy> bai alpaca :D
23:03 <&alpaca> movie night sunday!
23:03 <+fleshdunce> yeah it makes it more interesting
23:03 <+quazy> heh
23:03 <&alpaca> miller's crossing?
23:04 <&Luke> Serious Man
23:04 <&Luke> !!
23:04 <+fleshdunce> quazy as i read that i picture you batting your eyelashes
23:04 <&alpaca> theres no HD rip
23:04 <&Luke> you guys need to see it
23:04 <+fleshdunce> i wanna see a serious man
23:04 <&alpaca> buuut
23:04 <+quazy> u wearing fleece pants fleshdunce 
23:04 <&alpaca> ok
23:04 <&Luke> especially if you're Jewish!
23:04 <&alpaca> you guys want to do that?
23:04 <+quazy> i did do somehing like that fles
23:04 <&alpaca> serisou man?
23:04 <+fleshdunce> i certainly am quazy
23:04 <&alpaca> serisou man?
23:04 <+quazy> fleshdunce 
23:04 <+fleshdunce> they are so fuckin comfy
23:04 <&alpaca> IS THAT DECIDED?!
23:04 <&alpaca> A SERIOUS MAN?!
23:04 <~entr0py> if i'm around i'l watch alpaca
23:04 <+fleshdunce> im down with a serious man
23:04 <&alpaca> me too
23:04 <&alpaca> ooor
23:04 <&alpaca> should we do that in 2 weeks
23:04 <~entr0py> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1019452/
23:04 <+Ganja> entr0py's URL title: A Serious Man (2009)
23:04 <&alpaca> when an HD rip is more likely to be around
23:04 <+quazy> hah
23:04 <&alpaca> it just leaked
23:04 <&alpaca> like 2 days ago
23:04 <&alpaca> no hd rip though
23:05 <&Luke> It's a great 420 movie
23:05 <+quazy> strings when i told u it sucked, i thought u meant "a very quiet man"
23:05 <+fleshdunce> oh stfu
23:05 <+fleshdunce> just watch it 
23:05 <&alpaca> wehat fleshy
23:05 <&Luke> it doesn't need HD
23:05 <+fleshdunce> yeah
23:05 <&alpaca> alright fine
23:05 <+fleshdunce> you dont need HD
23:05 <&alpaca> a serious man
23:05 <&alpaca> sunday night, 8pm?
23:05 <+fleshdunce> ITS FOR THE CLUB
23:05 <~entr0py> alright guys
23:05 <&alpaca> sunday night, 8pm?
23:05 <~entr0py> alright guys
23:05 <+fleshdunce> ITS FOR THE CLUB
23:05 <&alpaca> EST
23:05 <~entr0py> next monday
23:05 <&alpaca> EST
23:05 <~entr0py> next monday
23:05 <+fleshdunce> BRO
23:05 <~entr0py> same time
23:05 <~entr0py> chapters 5-8
23:05 <&Strings> a veru quiet man?
23:05 <~entr0py> or rather, 1-8
23:05 <&alpaca> cool
23:05 <~entr0py> or rather, 1-8
23:05 <&alpaca> cool
23:05 <+fleshdunce> roger
23:05 <&alpaca> ill be here
23:05 <+quazy> yeah looks good
23:05  * alpaca hugs the book club
23:05 <+quazy> dark comedy ftw
23:05  * entr0py hugs back
23:05 <+quazy> the book club hugs back
23:05  * fleshdunce humps alpaca
23:06 <&Luke> rape
23:06 <&Luke> !!
23:06 <&Luke> RAPE!
23:06  * fleshdunce looks at the book club as his thrusts 
23:06  * fleshdunce especially Luke 
23:06  * Luke starts to cry
23:06  * alpaca runs out the door with his huge coat and his rolling backpack
23:06 <&Strings> what's to be read
23:06 <+fleshdunce> tahts right you do bitch
23:06 <&Strings> chapters 1 to 8?
23:06 <+fleshdunce> 1-8
23:06 <&Luke> 5-8 strings
23:06 <+fleshdunce> yes sir
23:06 <&Luke> by next Monday
23:06 <&Strings> 5-8, my bad :P
23:07 <+fleshdunce> have you read this one strings?
23:07 <~entr0py> gotta open my office door and get some work done now, see y'all in a bit
23:07 <~entr0py> thanks for showing up
23:07 <+quazy> lol yer at work
23:07 <+quazy> fucking awesome
23:07 <&Strings> sorry fleshdunce?
23:07 <~entr0py> that was really pretty awesome, better than i might have expected tbh
23:07 <&Strings> Sirens?
23:08 <+fleshdunce> yes
23:08 <~entr0py> the discussion
23:08 <+fleshdunce> yeah entr0py 
23:08 <+fleshdunce> i thought so too
23:08 <+quazy> good stuff
23:08 <+fleshdunce> ill try to jot a couple of things down for next week
23:08 <&Strings> no i've ordered it on Amazon fleshdunce
23:08 <+quazy> i missed a half hour of awesome tho
23:08 <+fleshdunce> that stuck out for me
23:08  * quazy cries
23:08 <+fleshdunce> that stuck out for me
23:08 <&Strings> didn't come today though, but i've got a PDF now
23:08 <~entr0py> yeah same flesh
23:08 <+quazy> what kinda awesome happened earlier
23:08 <+fleshdunce> nice strings
23:08 <+fleshdunce> you didnt miss that much quazy
23:08 <+fleshdunce> just more discussion
23:08 <~entr0py> ok biab
23:08 <&Luke> i showed everyone a dick pick
23:08 <&Luke> pic
23:08 <+fleshdunce> you mentioned a few things we already spoke about
23:08 <+fleshdunce> well
23:08 <+quazy> cool beans
23:08 <+fleshdunce> that too
23:08 <+dSyrup> GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA
23:08 <+fleshdunce> luke has a nice set of balls
23:08 <+fleshdunce> i must say
23:08 <&Luke> yeh and my beans too
23:09 <&Luke> 6
23:09 <+quazy> re post?
23:09 <+fleshdunce> nevar
23:09 <+quazy> :(
23:09 <&Luke> 10 bucks
23:09 <+quazy> meh
23:09 <+dSyrup> how about we add a section to the wiki, like lessons learned or morals
23:09 <+quazy> lol
23:09 <&Luke> 20 to watch me jerk it
23:09 <+quazy> that's terrible
23:09 <+quazy> ugh
23:09 <&Strings> aye
23:09 <+quazy> someone sent me pics
23:09 <&Strings> 40!
23:09 <+quazy> of them jerking it
23:09 <+quazy> :(
23:09 <+quazy> a patient at work
23:09 <+quazy> we're also friends and they know im not str8
23:09 <+quazy> but like wtf
23:09 <&Luke> lol
23:09 <&Strings> i'm gay
23:09 <&Strings> therefore
23:09 <&Strings> hospital hand jobs?
23:09 <&Luke> he thought you would apprecriate it!
23:10 <+quazy> hospital?
23:10 <+dSyrup> HHJ's yo
23:10 <&Luke> you said pateint
23:10 <+quazy> i dunno, just awkward
23:10 <&Strings> yeh sorry quazy, i just assumed
23:10 <+quazy> i work at a medical weed place
23:10 <&Strings> patient/hospital
23:10 <&Strings> ah
23:10 <+quazy> im just like omg sex *runs*
23:10 <+quazy> away*
23:10 <+quazy> heh
23:10 <+fleshdunce> dSyrup: you mean like stuff spoken about at each meeting?
23:11 <+dSyrup> yeah something along those lines
23:11 <&Strings> minutes?
23:11 <+dSyrup> quotes from our coversation
23:11 <&Strings> if it's one thing i've always hated, it was keeping minutes
23:11 <+dSyrup> something of substance to document/remember/reference
23:11 <&Strings> it's like quantum
23:11 <&Strings> you can't document a discussion when you're discussing
23:11 <+fleshdunce> dSyrup: alpacas bot logged it
23:11 <+fleshdunce> so
23:11 <&Strings> everything folds in on itself
23:11 <+fleshdunce> well after the fact
23:11 <+fleshdunce> perhaps
23:11 <&Strings> don't use euphenisms please fleshdunce
23:11 <&Strings> just say "alpaca's mum"
23:11 <+fleshdunce> someone might wanna do it
23:11 <+dSyrup> Ok strings so how about links to the logs
23:11 <+fleshdunce> haha
23:11 <+fleshdunce> i logged her indeed
23:11 <+dSyrup> i dunno something to make this concrete
23:12 <&Strings> copy/paste?
23:12 <&Strings> that's the traditional way to add quotes to the wiki
23:12 <+dSyrup> oy
23:12 <&Strings> and i'm not being mean, i was being quite genuine heh
23:12 <&Strings> just in case <3
23:12 <+fleshdunce> strings stop being such a dick
23:12  * fleshdunce cries
23:12 <+dSyrup> so i suppose we'll all sit her like jerks and filter logs for something great
23:12 <+fleshdunce> god im stoned
23:13 <+dSyrup> wouldnt it be great to goto the wiki page and see a paragraph or something that's really smart and we can learn from.
23:13 <+dSyrup> this writer is deep, yo
23:13 <+fleshdunce> haha
23:13 <+fleshdunce> the wiki can be edited by anyone dSyrup 
23:13 <+fleshdunce> so
23:14 <&Strings> perhaps get doing that when there's a good feel for the discussion going etc
23:14 <&Strings> only the first week after all
23:14 <+fleshdunce> yeah
23:14 <&Strings> and i didn't even get to read it :(
23:14 <+fleshdunce> perhaps we could come up with general questions actually
23:14 <+fleshdunce> to keep in mind over the week
23:14 <+fleshdunce> !
23:14 <+fleshdunce> thats something to do
23:14 <&Luke> You could have strings!
23:14 <+fleshdunce> come up with question/things to watch for the next week
23:14 <+dSyrup> im just thinking about ANYTHING other than what's already on the wiki
23:14 <+fleshdunce> and maybe make up general questions for each meeting
23:14 <&Strings> yeh i know i could have, but i didn't know there was a PDF :(
23:14 <+fleshdunce> and maybe make up general questions for each meeting
23:14 <&Strings> yeh i know i could have, but i didn't know there was a PDF :(
23:14 <+dSyrup> something to add, and was throwing out ideas
23:14 <&Luke> it's been up fo weeks ya hooligan 
23:14 <+dSyrup> but strings, a dude who didn't read, strikes all them down
23:15 <+dSyrup> :-(
23:15 <&Luke> i'm glad you're buying the book though
23:15 <&Strings> *bought
23:15 <&Strings> glad i bought the book
23:15 <&Luke> oh right
23:15 <&Strings> over 4 days ago
23:15 <&Strings> full stop.
23:15 <&Luke> from where?
23:15 <+quazy> i want the book too
23:15 <&Strings> now, however, i want to be glad at receiving the book
23:15 <+quazy> i should just get it
23:15 <+quazy> im so fuckin cheap
23:15 <+quazy> and i didnt return books to the library on time
23:15 <+quazy> so that's out too
23:15 <+dSyrup> we should announce next book
23:15 <+dSyrup> so we can buy beforehand
23:16 <&Luke> the third meeting 
23:16 <&Luke> we'll do that
23:16 <+dSyrup> ok
23:16 <&Luke> mebbe between the second and third
23:16 <&Luke> as the third is the last
23:16 <+dSyrup> yeah we need to allow time for media mail delivery
23:16 <+dSyrup> 2-4 weeks
23:17 <&Luke> well
23:17 <&Luke> i think a week break between books
23:17 <&Strings> it's because it's not actually amazon
23:17 <&Luke> is a good idea
23:17 <&Strings> it's a marketplace
23:17 <&Luke> ah
23:17 <&Strings> amazon normally gets it to me in 2 days or so
23:17 <+dSyrup> i use Half.com
23:17 <&Luke> amazon is usually quite speedy
23:17 <+dSyrup> cheap cheap cheap
23:17 <&Strings> marketplace between 1 day and 10
23:17 <&Strings> all depends really on the seller
23:17 <&Luke> I can't wait until my textbooks come in
23:17 <&Strings> same
23:18 <&Strings> then you can stand on them and be taller!
23:18 <&Strings> hah yeh, height joke motherfucker.
23:18 <&Luke> i'm no short
23:18 <&Luke> how tall are you?
23:18 <&Strings> don't BS me
23:18 <&Strings> no one orders textbooks unless it's to stand on them
23:18 <&Strings> and if you were already tall, why not just use a ladder?
23:18 <&Strings> mm?
23:18 <&Strings> exactly.
23:18 <+dSyrup> stilts
23:18 <+dSyrup> duh
23:19 <&Strings> yeh nothing quite blares subtlety like stilts
23:19 <&Strings> but a cheeky wee textbook on Advanced Calculus?
23:19 <+dSyrup> u are full of hate today strings
23:19 <&Strings> you'd be amazed, dSyrup
23:19 <&Strings> amazed
23:19 <+dSyrup> check this out http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Sirens-of-Titan_W0QQtgZinfoQQprZ2553136
23:19 <+Ganja> dSyrup's URL title: Half.com / Books / The Sirens of Titan
23:19 <+dSyrup> hardcover hard to find?
23:20 <+dSyrup> i'd really like one
23:20 <&Strings> doubt it
23:21 <+dSyrup> i don't see any on ebayz either
23:21 <&Strings> could well be then
23:21 <+dSyrup> here's first ed. http://cgi.ebay.com/KURT-VONNEGUT-JR-The-Sirens-of-Titan-1ST-ED-PBO_W0QQitemZ220513330125QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item33579e63cd
23:21 <+Ganja> dSyrup's URL title: KURT VONNEGUT, JR - The Sirens of Titan - 1ST ED PBO - eBay (item 220513330125 end time Jan-18-10 11:30:19 PST)
23:21 <+dSyrup> pricey!
23:21 <&Strings> come to think of it i guess not many sci/fi fantasy books get republished in HB often
23:22 <+fleshdunce> 150 jeebus
23:22 <&Strings> dollars?
23:22 <&Luke> dsyrup
23:22 <+fleshdunce> yes sir
23:22 <&Luke> http://cgi.ebay.com/Easton-Press-SIRENS-OF-TITAN-Kurt-Vonnegut-SIGNED-NEW_W0QQitemZ110470185133QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item19b88940ad
23:22 <+Ganja> Luke's URL title: Easton Press SIRENS OF TITAN Kurt Vonnegut SIGNED NEW - eBay (item 110470185133 end time Jan-13-10 13:01:49 PST)
23:22 <&Strings> that's not that much for a hardback 1st edition
23:22 <&Luke> I have that edition
23:22 <+dSyrup> damn, i found a hardback but it's missing the jacket and it's 100$
23:22 <+dSyrup> yikes
23:22 <&Luke> signed
23:22 <&Luke> was a gift 
23:22 <&Strings> yeh that's not that much in book terms anyway
23:23 <&Strings> a book i bought last year is now worth 300 dollars
23:23 <+fleshdunce> did the author pass?
23:23 <&Strings> nopeski
23:23 <&Strings> just limited hardback edition from a wee publisher
23:23 <+dSyrup> he is legendary
23:23 <+fleshdunce> ohhh ok
23:24 <&Strings> http://store.pspublishing.co.uk/
23:24 <+Ganja> Strings' URL title: PS Publishing - Award-winning independent UK genre publisher
23:24 <&Strings> they actually print a ton of great stuff fleshdunce
23:24 <+dSyrup> hey luke
23:24 <+dSyrup> http://cgi.ebay.com/Easton-Press-SIRENS-OF-TITAN-Kurt-Vonnegut-SIGNED-NEW_W0QQitemZ110470185133QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item19b88940ad#ht_1126wt_1098
23:24 <+Ganja> dSyrup's URL title: Easton Press SIRENS OF TITAN Kurt Vonnegut SIGNED NEW - eBay (item 110470185133 end time Jan-13-10 13:01:49 PST)
23:24 <+dSyrup> awesome cover on that one
23:24 <&Luke> it's a beautiful book
23:25 <&Luke> I wore gloves to Read it lol
23:25 <+fleshdunce> seriously
23:25 <+fleshdunce> ?
23:25 <&Strings> lol i've done that..
23:25 <+fleshdunce> damn
23:25 <+dSyrup> hahaha looks at this cover: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sirens-Of-Titan-by-Kurt-Vonnegut-RARE-1966-ed-pb_W0QQitemZ300372376386QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item45ef96bb42#ht_500wt_1113
23:25 <+Ganja> dSyrup's URL title: Sirens Of Titan by Kurt Vonnegut - RARE 1966 ed. pb - eBay (item 300372376386 end time Jan-28-10 12:29:44 PST)
23:25 <+fleshdunce> im not into hard editions really
23:25 <&Luke> of course flesh
23:25 <&Strings> it's not a collection thing really
23:25 <&Luke> don't want fingerprints and crap on it
23:25 <&Strings> there's no other way for me read some of these books
23:25 <+dSyrup> hardback last longer, stays cleaner
23:25 <+dSyrup> imo
23:25 <&Strings> unless i buy them and read them from the only peeps that actually publish them
23:26 <&Strings> i don't buy hardback unless it's worth it
23:26 <&Strings> signed/limited
23:26 <+dSyrup> ^
23:26 <+krazykit> i don't like hardback
23:26 <&Strings> and i dn't really give a shit about signed stuff
23:26 <+krazykit> too bulky when traveling
23:26 <+dSyrup> well, to me, vonnegut is worth it
23:26 <+krazykit> i think i have a copy of the giver signed by lowry
23:26 <&Strings> most of my rarest books are signed, but it's just happenstance really
23:26 <&Luke> I didn't like The Giver
23:27 <+fleshdunce> i did in like 
23:27 <&Strings> http://store.pspublishing.co.uk/acatalog/blood_follows.html
23:27 <+fleshdunce> 6th grade
23:27 <+Ganja> Strings' URL title: PS Publishing Out of Stock Archive
23:27 <+fleshdunce> whenever i read it
23:27 <&Strings> that's a steven erikson book fleshdunce ^^
23:27 <&Luke> yeah that's when I read it
23:27 <&Strings> took me 4 years to find that book
23:27 <&Strings> because i was 1 day too slow to buy it from PS Publishing
23:27 <+fleshdunce> oooo
23:27 <&Strings> they tend to go for about 48 to 50 dollars
23:27 <+dSyrup> damn i found what i want
23:27 <+dSyrup> http://cgi.ebay.com/Vonnegut-The-Sirens-Of-Titan-1st-ed-HC-DJ-ex-lib_W0QQitemZ350273568918QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item518dee8096#ht_728wt_1098
23:27 <+Ganja> dSyrup's URL title: Vonnegut - The Sirens Of Titan - 1st ed HC/DJ ex-lib - eBay (item 350273568918 end time Jan-31-10 06:05:33 PST)
23:27 <&Strings> hardback, signed, limited to 300 or 500 copies
23:28 <+dSyrup> fucking expensive :-(
23:28 <&Strings> but if it's a good author
23:28 <&Strings> and a good book, of course
23:28 <&Strings> then it'll be worth 5 times that in no time
23:28 <&Luke> yeah I'd buy that
23:28 <+dSyrup> check out that retro cover
23:28 <&Strings> my Blood Follows copy, the one i linked, is worth about 300
23:28 <&Strings> but i wouldn't sell it
23:28 <&Strings> so there.
23:29 <&Luke> that's not a first edition though
23:29 <&Strings> aye it is
23:29 <&Strings> it's the only edition
23:29 <&Luke> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/TheSirensofTitan%281959%29.jpg
23:29 <&Strings> i think it got released as a trade paperback out of sheer demand for the book
23:29 <&Strings> but it wasn't signed, numbered or even in colour
23:29 <+dSyrup> i have lotsa first editions
23:29 <&Strings> (the illustration)
23:29 <+dSyrup> but they're artist books
23:29 <+dSyrup> not great authors :-(
23:29 <&Strings> first editions aren't hard to get
23:29 <&Strings> it's the ones that are worth it
23:29 <&Strings> that are worth it
23:29 <&Strings> otherwise
23:29 <&Luke> was talkin to dysrup strings
23:29 <&Strings> they aren't worth it
23:30 <&Strings> it's ok Luke, my default action was to ignore you
23:30 <&Strings> burn! :D
23:30 <&Luke> ignore this bro
23:30  * Luke pisses on strings
23:30 <+dSyrup> hahaa
23:30  * Strings gets some soap
23:31 <+dSyrup> hey i beat all you guise
23:31 <+dSyrup> YEssssss
23:31 <+dSyrup> http://cgi.ebay.com/Shepard-Fairey-SIGNED-Supply-Demand-OBEY-GIANT-EXTRAS_W0QQitemZ400094466694QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item5d277d1286
23:31 <+Ganja> dSyrup's URL title: Shepard Fairey SIGNED Supply & Demand OBEY GIANT EXTRAS - eBay (item 400094466694 end time Jan-28-10 18:36:49 PST)
23:31 <+dSyrup> i have this
23:31 <&Strings> awesome, never read
23:32 <+dSyrup> not much to read :-(
23:32 <+dSyrup> but hundreds of pages of photos
23:32 <+dSyrup> hahaha
23:32 <&Luke> yeh he did that Obama thing yeh?
23:32 <+dSyrup> unfortunately
23:32 <&Luke> haha
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00:42 <+[_]> Sorry i missed the big show..
00:44 <+[_]> 1) If Rumsford can see the future until he leaves the solar system ( moves out of earth's light cone? ), it stands to reason that he extends backward as far as perhaps his own birth or beyond.
00:45 <+[_]> (i'll try to provide quotes)
00:47 <~entr0py> thor hold the thoughts a week?
00:47 <~entr0py> anyway i'm headin home
00:47 <~entr0py> adieu, and thanks all for the great time
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00:49 <+[_]> i won't be here in a week either.
00:49 <+[_]> if it's the same time
00:49 <+[_]> bah he's gone.. ffs
00:49 <&Luke> it is
00:49 <&Luke> same time
00:49 <+[_]> so yeah.. i'll talk to nobody :D
00:49 <+[_]> "I look at the future," said Rumfoord, "and I find that I shall not be in the Solar System when the
00:49 <+[_]> human race dies out. So the end is as much a mystery to me as to you."
00:49 <+[_]> "I look at the future," said Rumfoord, "and I find that I shall not be in the Solar System when the
00:49 <+[_]> human race dies out. So the end is as much a mystery to me as to you."
00:50 <+[_]> He could have influenced people to create companies that match the names of the ones that Malachi's father invested in
00:51 <+[_]> because he had foreknowledge of it.
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01:25 <+[_]> hmm
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01:27 <+[_]> http://pwnt.bycanada.com/rentedatent.mp3 <--- my take on the snare
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02:24 <+fleshdunce> nice [_] 
02:24 <+fleshdunce> good work
02:24 <+fleshdunce> id say thats right
02:34  * alpaca rubs everyone
02:35  * alpaca rubs everyone
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21:58 <+fleshdunce> http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/11/slaughterhouse-five.html
21:58 <+fleshdunce> so fucking cool
21:58 <+Ganja> fleshdunce's URL title: Letters of Note: Slaughterhouse Five
22:11 <+anonymoose> thats cool fleshdunce
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12:59 <&alpaca> lmnop
13:00 <&alpaca> lmnop
13:05 <+[_]> osmr, cdpp?
13:18 <&alpaca> no!
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16:35 <&alpaca> ohi entr0py 
16:56 <~entr0py> hola 
16:56 <~entr0py> alpaca
16:57 <&alpaca> what
16:58 <~entr0py> you said ohi
16:58 <~entr0py> i said hola
16:58 <~entr0py> that is all
17:00 <&alpaca> oh
17:02 <~entr0py> your enthusiasm is overwhelming
17:03  * entr0py goes off to fix a thing
17:03 <&alpaca> im ded
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21:45 <+Tich> anybody got a log from the last bookclub?
21:46 <&alpaca> Tich: !
21:46 <&alpaca> you will be pleased to know that indeed i brought my botwurst in here to log the activities of this channel
21:46 <&alpaca> you are in luck!
21:56  * Tich does a lucky dance
21:56  * Tich shags botwurst 
22:09 <~entr0py> everybody loves alpaca's botwurst
22:10 <~entr0py> the scrumptious botwurst of an ungulate waggling in the breeze
22:10 <~entr0py> btw
22:10 <~entr0py> that vonnegut letter somebody posted?
22:10 <~entr0py> am i to understand that was just unearthed, like this week or so?
22:11 <~entr0py> or it just happened to get blogged this week?
22:11 <~entr0py> oh i guess it was months ago
22:11 <~entr0py> i'm just gonna converse with myself i'm pretty high
22:11 <~entr0py> i saw some guy on the freeway blowing kisses at himself in his vanity mirror
22:12 <~entr0py> i shit me not
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22:30 <+Tich> hehe
22:40 <+dSyrup> y is this room active
22:40 <+dSyrup> you should be reading
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16:10 <+dSyrup> :-O
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18:22 < olaya> hello
18:22 < olaya> anybody is there
18:22 <&Luke> no
18:26 < olaya> yes i was thinking the same
18:26 < olaya> this place is quite dead
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18:41 <~entr0py> dingbat
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22:45 <+superkuh> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA12528.jpg - Tethys behind Titan around Saturn from Cassini looking like the death star.
23:02 <+fleshdunce> looks like paradise
23:18 <~entr0py> it's a great big orange ball of methane
23:18 <~entr0py> would be a disconcerting paradise
23:19 <~entr0py> but that DOES look like the death star
23:54 <+fleshdunce> non sense
23:54 <+fleshdunce> i caught up on my reading today
23:54 <+fleshdunce> didnt want to stop
23:54 <+fleshdunce> but i figured i should so i dont give any spoilers by accident
23:55 <+fleshdunce> ent, is the book club entry in the news part acceptable
23:59 <~entr0py> i might break that up into a few different news items
23:59 <~entr0py> kind of a lot of text
23:59 <~entr0py> esp for stoners
23:59 <~entr0py> but the dexrip itself is great
23:59 <+fleshdunce> oooo
23:59 <+fleshdunce> i
23:59 <+fleshdunce> it is a lot for stoners prolly, yeha
--- Day changed Sat Jan 16 2010
00:00 <~entr0py> wish i could make movie night
--- Day changed Sat Jan 16 2010
00:00 <~entr0py> wish i could make movie night
00:00 <~entr0py> i've never seen a serious man
00:00 <~entr0py> didn't even know it came out shees
00:03 <+fleshdunce> well it didnt really i dont think
00:03 <+fleshdunce> just pirated
00:03 <+fleshdunce> what night might work better for you?
00:03 <+fleshdunce> alpaca and i just had it randomly this past week, nothing is set in stone yet
00:07 <+superkuh> http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Space/Titan_atmosphere_chemistry.png
00:07 <+superkuh> A bit more than methane.
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18:41 <+quazy> suggestion! let's not have ever b club meeting on monday at 5EST! let's move it back 2h or something :D
18:52 <+anonymoose> i agree
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21:20 <+dSyrup> You're out of your minds
21:20 <+dSyrup> i doubt many people can make that time
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19:26 <+superkuh> http://nsf.gov/news/mmg/media/images/titan_climate1_h.jpg
19:38 <+Tich> where would the sirens be?
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