=-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``Meeting Time''
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[9/17/2006 7:02 AM] <LetterRip> ready to get rolling?
[9/17/2006 7:03 AM] <ideasman_42> is it possible for images to not be 32bit and have alpha?
[9/17/2006 7:03 AM] <ideasman_42> (greyscale alpha?)
[9/17/2006 7:03 AM] <UnNamed> grey+alpha is possible
[9/17/2006 7:03 AM] <kaito> probably, but thats not a common spec i guess
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[9/17/2006 7:03 AM] <UnNamed> technically
[9/17/2006 7:03 AM] <LetterRip> http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/SundayMeetingAgenda/September_17th_2006
[9/17/2006 7:03 AM] * kaito points at topic
[9/17/2006 7:04 AM] <ideasman_42> Blender seems to convert data to 24/32 bit anyway
[9/17/2006 7:04 AM] <LetterRip> Agenda?
[9/17/2006 7:04 AM] * kaito cheers.. no agenda, back to coding!
[9/17/2006 7:04 AM] <LetterRip> we can do that :)
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[9/17/2006 7:05 AM] <ideasman_42> hows nicks patch going?
[9/17/2006 7:05 AM] <LetterRip> he was sick this week
[9/17/2006 7:05 AM] <LetterRip> so will take a bit longer
[9/17/2006 7:05 AM] <ideasman_42> and there on earth is artificer!
[9/17/2006 7:06 AM] * kaito was busy last week with arrangements for new appartment, will move sept 26
[9/17/2006 7:06 AM] <LetterRip> okay - so current projects?
[9/17/2006 7:06 AM] <wavk> ah you found a place then! congrats
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[9/17/2006 7:07 AM] <kaito> nice with view on the IJ :)
[9/17/2006 7:07 AM] <LetterRip> and maybe tracker review?
[9/17/2006 7:07 AM] <kaito> I dont need irc-based tracker reviews atm... i got enough :P
[9/17/2006 7:07 AM] <ideasman_42> patches?
[9/17/2006 7:07 AM] <LetterRip> heh
[9/17/2006 7:08 AM] <kaito> note we got a bug #5000 reported!
[9/17/2006 7:08 AM] <kaito> definitely a milestone
[9/17/2006 7:08 AM] <LetterRip> yeeah
[9/17/2006 7:08 AM] <jobbe_> is that since the bugtracker exists?
[9/17/2006 7:08 AM] <kaito> yep
[9/17/2006 7:08 AM] <kaito> # includes patches though
[9/17/2006 7:09 AM] <LetterRip> includes all of the trackers?
[9/17/2006 7:09 AM] <kaito> yeah, but still :)
[9/17/2006 7:09 AM] <kaito> it's 5000 reports
[9/17/2006 7:09 AM] <LetterRip> okay so onto current projects?
[9/17/2006 7:09 AM] =-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``Meeting Time - 1) Current Projects''
[9/17/2006 7:09 AM] <kaito> we can do that as quicky :)
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[9/17/2006 7:10 AM] <LetterRip> anything new to report?
[9/17/2006 7:10 AM] <kaito> new project: cleanup the dev docs we got!
[9/17/2006 7:10 AM] <ideasman_42> Im dabbeling with refactoring parts of the python api
[9/17/2006 7:10 AM] <LetterRip> kaito - yeah definitely
[9/17/2006 7:10 AM] <ideasman_42> nobody seems to mind, so I commited but Id be happy with some peer review
[9/17/2006 7:10 AM] <kaito> there's half stuff in wiki and half in cms... and expired stuff, and the 'current projects' list is old, and 'open projects' and 'maintainers' and and and....
[9/17/2006 7:11 AM] <kaito> aint that a nice work for our good friend LetterRip ?
[9/17/2006 7:11 AM] <LetterRip> errrr...
[9/17/2006 7:11 AM] <LetterRip> I can do some :)
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[9/17/2006 7:11 AM] <kaito> i noticed you've been coding even! tsk!
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[9/17/2006 7:11 AM] <ideasman_42> hi ianwill
[9/17/2006 7:11 AM] * LetterRip denies everything
[9/17/2006 7:12 AM] <ianwill> hi ideasman_42, hi all
[9/17/2006 7:12 AM] <LetterRip> kaito will look into it - migrate stuff off of cms
[9/17/2006 7:12 AM] <kaito> well; add it to the agenda as todo: "we need a person to cleanup the dev docs online"
[9/17/2006 7:12 AM] <LetterRip> yeah
[9/17/2006 7:13 AM] <kaito> wiki needs structured view too
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[9/17/2006 7:13 AM] <kaito> and the search option of wiki sucks
[9/17/2006 7:13 AM] <LetterRip> perhaps we can ask someone to change it to google?
[9/17/2006 7:13 AM] <LetterRip> i know it requires their ads
[9/17/2006 7:13 AM] <LetterRip> but at least then you can find stuff :)
[9/17/2006 7:14 AM] <kaito> well, if the ads then only show on the search results...
[9/17/2006 7:14 AM] <LetterRip> to be honest i don't know
[9/17/2006 7:14 AM] <kaito> i dont want google ads on the website really
[9/17/2006 7:14 AM] <LetterRip> yeah
[9/17/2006 7:14 AM] <kaito> theyre becoming evil empire II
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[9/17/2006 7:14 AM] <LetterRip> heh
[9/17/2006 7:15 AM] <blenderx> Hi!
[9/17/2006 7:15 AM] <LetterRip> mostly benevolent :)
[9/17/2006 7:15 AM] <Bobalicious> however, I haven't got a BSOD from google yet
[9/17/2006 7:15 AM] <LetterRip> besides they bribe us with supporting projects :)
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[9/17/2006 7:15 AM] <ideasman_42> Iv not paied them a cent. Im happy
[9/17/2006 7:15 AM] <LetterRip> hi blenderx - meeting time
[9/17/2006 7:15 AM] <blenderx> yep
[9/17/2006 7:16 AM] <LetterRip> ideasman_42, you've paid them with your eyeballs :)
[9/17/2006 7:16 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: i'd be happy to work on the dev docs
[9/17/2006 7:16 AM] <LetterRip> * wiki search sucks - can we use google or other search (only if ads are only on the search results...)
[9/17/2006 7:16 AM] <LetterRip> _timmeh_, that would be great
[9/17/2006 7:17 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: ive also got a custom extension i coded for bpywiki which is imo a much better search engine
[9/17/2006 7:17 AM] <kaito> good! the search should especially give the meeting minutes low rankings :)
[9/17/2006 7:18 AM] <LetterRip> heeh
[9/17/2006 7:18 AM] <kaito> the first dozens search results are always from minutes, and very useless
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[9/17/2006 7:19 AM] <_timmeh_> yup contex search is easy enough to add in
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[9/17/2006 7:19 AM] <LetterRip> okay - so other current projects - kaito - was mentioned you found a new 'gallery owner'?
[9/17/2006 7:20 AM] <kaito> oh yep! groo!
[9/17/2006 7:20 AM] <UnNamed> kaito: there are a couple of search systems one can install
[9/17/2006 7:20 AM] <UncleZeiv> let's hope in more frequent gallery updates, then ;)
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[9/17/2006 7:21 AM] <LetterRip> okay - last call for current projects :)
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[9/17/2006 7:21 AM] <kaito> i also found new maintainer for tutorial section
[9/17/2006 7:21 AM] <LetterRip> kaito - are they going to maintain it on the wiki?
[9/17/2006 7:22 AM] <pidhash> hi all
[9/17/2006 7:22 AM] <LetterRip> would be good to get as much of that stuff off the cms as possible
[9/17/2006 7:22 AM] <pidhash> I was littl ill, but better now
[9/17/2006 7:22 AM] <LetterRip> hi pidhash :) meeting time....
[9/17/2006 7:22 AM] <LetterRip> good to hear you are better
[9/17/2006 7:23 AM] <kaito> LetterRip: well, end-user pages can remain in cms
[9/17/2006 7:23 AM] <kaito> cms isn't going to be removed :)
[9/17/2006 7:23 AM] <UncleZeiv> but the manual is on the wiki now
[9/17/2006 7:23 AM] <kaito> but we need a more cleaner separation yes
[9/17/2006 7:23 AM] <LetterRip> kaito - well tutorials are something that is easy for everyone to update though, and new ones happen all the time
[9/17/2006 7:23 AM] <LetterRip> but okay
[9/17/2006 7:23 AM] <kaito> LetterRip: it's the section that also links to external tutorials
[9/17/2006 7:24 AM] <LetterRip> yeppers
[9/17/2006 7:24 AM] <LetterRip> like 'joan or arc' etc
[9/17/2006 7:24 AM] <LetterRip> joan of arc
[9/17/2006 7:25 AM] <kaito> so; the wiki tutorials can get linked to cms too
[9/17/2006 7:25 AM] <LetterRip> okay sounds like a good idea
[9/17/2006 7:25 AM] <LetterRip> other current projects?
[9/17/2006 7:25 AM] <LetterRip> going once...
[9/17/2006 7:25 AM] <LetterRip> twice...
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] <LetterRip> closed....
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] <LetterRip> so end meeting?
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] <kaito> yay!
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] <pidhash> heh
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] * kaito already got new assignment to work on from bassam :)
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] <LetterRip> okay :)
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] * pidhash fast meeting
[9/17/2006 7:26 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: what do you have in mind for 'clen up' of dev wiki?
[9/17/2006 7:27 AM] =-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/SundayMeetingAgenda''
[9/17/2006 7:27 AM] * pidhash something that I could to do ?
[9/17/2006 7:27 AM] <kaito> LetterRip: we can define the remaining 90 minutes of meeting for everyone to contemplate and do bugfixes
[9/17/2006 7:27 AM] <kaito> and no chatting!
[9/17/2006 7:27 AM] * pidhash maybe dont talk :)
[9/17/2006 7:27 AM] =-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``Rest of Meeting - Fix Bugs and Review Patches :) http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/SundayMeetingAgenda''
[9/17/2006 7:27 AM] <UnNamed> is the crappy search in wiki due the go button?
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <kaito> the person who fixes #5000 gets a BugFixer of the Day Award!
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <LetterRip> _timmeh_, migrate the rest of docs off of the cms
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <UncleZeiv> kaito: what about changing the default blend file to include noodles?
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <LetterRip> oooh!
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: oh ok, no probs there
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <UncleZeiv> last time it was just before release and you said it was not wise to change it then
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <kaito> UncleZeiv: yep, we have to start work on a new .b.blend too
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <LetterRip> _timmeh_, and i'm sure there is plenty of updating stuff
[9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <LetterRip> but that is first step
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] <kaito> UncleZeiv: thats a target we should add to the release todo list
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] <UncleZeiv> kaito: I'm happy to hear it :)
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] <ideasman_42> ianwill, any API discussion?
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] <LetterRip> ah is a python bug too
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] * elubie was planning to update MSVC project files, there's some gameengine stuff missing and verse too
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] <ideasman_42> probably keep it short, just wondering if you want any comments
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] <ideasman_42> had any*
[9/17/2006 7:29 AM] <ianwill> ideasman_42: guess there's no need for it here, we just inform when we have agreed on the changes
[9/17/2006 7:30 AM] <kaito> _timmeh_: well, there's the 'info center' in cms, and a collection of docs in wiki. someone could look at this all and try to extract structure
[9/17/2006 7:30 AM] <LetterRip> ianwill - did we pick our three review scripts?
[9/17/2006 7:30 AM] <LetterRip> obj importer
[9/17/2006 7:30 AM] <LetterRip> and the other two?
[9/17/2006 7:30 AM] <kaito> _timmeh_: further there's a lot of expired wiki docs (like cancelled projects)
[9/17/2006 7:30 AM] <LetterRip> if so we can review now?
[9/17/2006 7:30 AM] <ideasman_42> Id be happy to
[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: ye i can work on that, technically you can't delete wiki pages, but obviously we can remove the links to them
[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <kaito> elubie: ooh, you got the new compu now?
[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] * wavk should put his list 'o'bugs in the tracker sometime... let's get that thing to 6000!
[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <LetterRip> _timmeh_ well an admin can
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[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <ianwill> LetterRip: I made 3 suggestions, no one agreed or not yet. About review: I'd like to do this with a forum thread, so more people can help, we also need to choose where to put the new docs in the wiki, etc
[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: i am an admin, but you can't technically remove wiki pages
[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] * kaito distracts wavk with a big bowl of speculaas!
[9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <LetterRip> _timmeh_, hmm okay
[9/17/2006 7:32 AM] <wavk> oooh! yummy!!! chew chew chew...
[9/17/2006 7:32 AM] <LetterRip> i thought you could purge them from the database if you got low enough level
[9/17/2006 7:32 AM] <elubie> kaito: not yet :( was hoping for this weekend, but obviously hasn't arrived yet. But the gfx card arrived fine already, so I#m impatiently waiting :)
[9/17/2006 7:32 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: sure you can....but there can be some very nasty side effects if there are inter-dependencies
[9/17/2006 7:33 AM] <theeth> that's what the "what links here" link is for
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[9/17/2006 7:33 AM] <LetterRip> ic
[9/17/2006 7:33 AM] <ideasman_42> I vote we purge all and add in 1 by 1
[9/17/2006 7:33 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: plus wiki does parsing when a page is saved, so if it was a member of categories and such it can cause many headaches
[9/17/2006 7:33 AM] <ideasman_42> but have a dir where undicieded scripts can go
[9/17/2006 7:33 AM] <LetterRip> how about today we set up the changes needed to import from the other CVS
[9/17/2006 7:34 AM] <ideasman_42> LetterRip, sounds good
[9/17/2006 7:34 AM] <LetterRip> do we need Hos and jesterKings help on that?
[9/17/2006 7:34 AM] <LetterRip> _timmeh_, ah ok
[9/17/2006 7:36 AM] <ideasman_42> LetterRip, probably,, Im not sure how to go about it
[9/17/2006 7:37 AM] <ianwill> LetterRip, ideasman_42, (any other interested in managing scripts) : join #blenderpython, please
[9/17/2006 7:37 AM] <LetterRip> oh great and wise Hos
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[9/17/2006 7:50 AM] <blenderx> hey, what's up?
[9/17/2006 7:51 AM] <blenderx> the channel is idle!
[9/17/2006 7:51 AM] <kaito> shhht... trying to code!
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[9/17/2006 7:51 AM] <blenderx> :)
[9/17/2006 7:52 AM] <blenderx> Alright, then I think I'll take the opportunity to announce that,
[9/17/2006 7:52 AM] <kaito> maybe we should use web-based texteditors, so everyone can peek what the devs do :)
[9/17/2006 7:52 AM] <theeth> ugh
[9/17/2006 7:52 AM] <blenderx> We've been showing off the movie "Elephant Dreams" here in Tunis,
[9/17/2006 7:52 AM] <Gimble3D> particles no longer follow the mesh when assigned to an armature (and the armature is animated in pose mode)?
[9/17/2006 7:53 AM] <kaito> Gimble3D: that's report in tracker right?
[9/17/2006 7:53 AM] <Gimble3D> I looked, but didn't see it...
[9/17/2006 7:53 AM] <kaito> blenderx: oh, didnt know you were living in tunis?
[9/17/2006 7:54 AM] <blenderx> ?
[9/17/2006 7:54 AM] * kaito wants to know everything!
[9/17/2006 7:54 AM] <blenderx> Well I'm from sousse actually, and I work in Tunis. Both are towns from Tunisia,
[9/17/2006 7:54 AM] <Gimble3D> He's making a file on everyone ;)
[9/17/2006 7:55 AM] <blenderx> the small little country, located at the top of Africa.
[9/17/2006 7:55 AM] <kaito> ok... continue the tunis story :)
[9/17/2006 7:55 AM] <blenderx> OK :)
[9/17/2006 7:56 AM] <blenderx> So, we celebrated today the Software Freedom Day
[9/17/2006 7:57 AM] <damiles> hi!, what happen?
[9/17/2006 7:57 AM] <blenderx> and one of the activities was to playback the Elephant Dreams movie and to present
[9/17/2006 7:57 AM] <blenderx> and describe how it was made and all.
[9/17/2006 7:57 AM] <blenderx> You can find the program, i.e the set of the activities at:
[9/17/2006 7:58 AM] <blenderx> http://sfdtunisia.freehostia.com/programme.html
[9/17/2006 7:58 AM] <blenderx> it's all in french, but it should really easy to read/understand.
[9/17/2006 7:59 AM] <blenderx> The whole thing is an initiative from the SFD, http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[9/17/2006 8:02 AM] <kaito> cool. it's still going on, you're there now?
[9/17/2006 8:02 AM] <blenderx> I guess, that the first "open source" movie was well received, world-wide!
[9/17/2006 8:02 AM] <blenderx> No, I'm in my home town, Sousse, currently, but I got a couple of friends there
[9/17/2006 8:03 AM] <kaito> tell the audience that Proog in ED represents actually the American government! (i bet they love that there! :)
[9/17/2006 8:03 AM] <blenderx> that I will meet tomorrow. They'll tell me everything.
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[9/17/2006 8:03 AM] <motorsep> hi all
[9/17/2006 8:03 AM] <motorsep> RCRuiz, hola
[9/17/2006 8:03 AM] <blenderx> kaito, :) OK.
[9/17/2006 8:04 AM] <kaito> good reason to watch movie a fifth time!
[9/17/2006 8:04 AM] <blenderx> :)
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[9/17/2006 8:05 AM] <blenderx> hey, haito, I heard that the first europeen HD-DVD was actually a release of ED...
[9/17/2006 8:05 AM] <blenderx> is that right?
[9/17/2006 8:05 AM] <kaito> yes
[9/17/2006 8:05 AM] <kaito> we didnt do that :)
[9/17/2006 8:05 AM] <kaito> thats how open movies work well eh!
[9/17/2006 8:06 AM] <blenderx> pretty cool!
[9/17/2006 8:07 AM] <kaito> http://www.sonic.com/about/press/news/2006/09/europeanHD.aspx
[9/17/2006 8:07 AM] <LetterRip> kaito - they have plans for blue-ray version also
[9/17/2006 8:07 AM] <kaito> seems like it yes
[9/17/2006 8:07 AM] <JoOngle> Cool :)
[9/17/2006 8:07 AM] <eyecandy> it will be the least sold HD-DVD in the history of europe though ;)
[9/17/2006 8:07 AM] <blenderx> I got my friends asking me to go with them and to present Blender, since I worked on the GUI source code and all
[9/17/2006 8:07 AM] <JoOngle> not cool
[9/17/2006 8:08 AM] * kaito kicks eyecandy
[9/17/2006 8:08 AM]