<johnlittle> Hi
<Hobbsee> hey Burgundavia
<Hobbsee> @now sydney
<Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: September 14 2006, 11:07:08 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 5 hours 52 minutes
<Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
<Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 14 Sep 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Sep 00:00: LoCo | 19 Sep 22:00: Community Council | 20 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 22 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Sep 06:00: Technical Board
<Burgundavia> Hobbsee: we are meeting about the UWN
<Hobbsee> hmmm.
<Hobbsee> Burgundavia: cool, sorry, didnt know. i'll shut up :P
<nixternal_> hiya Burgundavia
<Riddell> Hobbsee: oor Burgundavia failed to add it to fridge
<Hobbsee> Riddell: true that.
<Burgundavia> Riddell: the latter
* nixternal_ grabs a soda BRB
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<poningru> sorry what was the gobby server?
<Burgundavia> ok, gobby session up
<jsgotangco> wow UWN meeting neat-o
<Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue14 has the IP
* jsgotangco dives in
<Burgundavia> I had an agenda and then I left it at work
so here goes:
the first thing I would like to raise is that of ending out plain text
sending rather
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<Riddell> we do send out plain text
<nixternal_> Burgundavia: i am going to do the additons for Kubuntu, unless of course Riddell beats me to it
<Burgundavia> we have had several requests
<Riddell> nixternal_: go ahead
<nixternal_> no problem..i am adding the stuff from the knot 3 report anyways ;)
<poningru> Burgundavia: request for?
<Burgundavia> thoughts on process?
<poningru> I thought we already sent it out in plain text
<Burgundavia> we stopped last week
<Riddell> what happened last week?
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<Riddell> nixternal_: screenshot of old and new gamma setup screen http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/gamma.png
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<jsgotangco> WHOA
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<poningru> nice
<Riddell> oh, just a pointer to the wiki page
<nixternal_> thx Riddell !
<adamant1988> ok, here I am... gosh you people need to keep me informed better
* nixternal_ can't gobby in right now..sorry..im at class running off of a Live CD, and it says i am out of sudo apt-get spaceage ;)
nixternal_ nixternal
<Burgundavia> nixternal_: it will go back to the wiki in a few hours
<nixternal_> ok..cool
<Burgundavia> so, back to the first question
<jenda> Could someone please pastebin the log of the meeting so far?
<nixternal_> i might get on here in a second
<Riddell> Burgundavia: sending out the text rather than a link is much preferable, a link should be included of course for added image goodness
<Burgundavia> the issue is processing it to nice looking text
<jenda> Riddell: +1
<Burgundavia> currently we have some moinism that I would like to remove
<Riddell> the wiki text already looks decent
<jenda> Burgundavia: that's ten minutes work apiece, I think
<Riddell> editing it for sanity isn't too hard before sending
<jenda> Or we could even set up an automatic parser.
<Burgundavia> can somebody add how to do it on the the /Release page?
I just need somebody to either create a process or do it
<poningru> auto parser?
oh
<nixternal_> Burgundavia: i can do the "text" portion if need be
<Burgundavia> a volunteer? jenda? Riddell?
nixternal_ nixternal
<nixternal_> it is easy, plus kmail doesn't screw it up
<Burgundavia> ok, nixternal_ you are one
s/one/on/
<nixternal_> kool
<Riddell> copy, paste. easy
<nixternal_> yup Riddell ;)
<Burgundavia> I want to get rid of some of the moinisms at the same time
<nixternal_> kmail controls at 76 i think..so it is safe for all clients
<jenda> Burgundavia: at three AM, I can't, but if it's still open tomorrow, I'll hop on it.
<Burgundavia> ok, we have volunteers for that
next topic: thoughts on the current layout?
<jenda> I like it.
<Burgundavia> I want to break out the Distro specific stuff (Ubuntu, K, Edu) into the more general news, as I did with Riddell's stuff last week
<nixternal_> Burgundavia: i like the current layout...my favorite of course was the layout that mgalvin did..however you have gotten close to emulating it..so i think it is good
nixternal_ nixternal
<Burgundavia> nixternal_: how was mgalvins different?
<jenda> a link, perhaps?
<nixternal_> well, if the template hasn't changed, it is still there
<Burgundavia> the template has been signifcantly edited, but his old versions are there
<nixternal_> the ones prior to 13 i believe, were just quick news blobs, which was cool...however, i think the new layout allows for "more" information to get out
<Burgundavia> ok
<nixternal_> no biggy..this layout is good...the layout in between was ey
<Burgundavia> any other feedback on the current layout
?
<adamant1988> can I get a link?
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<Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue6
that is an old version
<adamant1988> sorry, I've been so focused on my local efforts I haven't been involved with much in the team -_-
<Rinchen> The one you have in Gobby is ok
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<nixternal_> ok..well right now we are UWN specific, so on-topic from this point on...
<Burgundavia> ok, plase provide feedback as needed ot hte marketing team
next topic
different people responsible for different pieces
<poningru> actually one quick point
<adamant1988> query about the newsletter... it's actually a newsletter right? like we send it out?
<Burgundavia> adamant1988: yes, to ubuntu-news
<nixternal_> yes adamant1988
<Burgundavia> poningru: go
<poningru> I think the stuff for security updates, new bug fixes etc.
should go in the end
<jsgotangco> yes
<nixternal_> well security updates are pretty important
<adamant1988> ok... put the boring stuff smack dab in the front.
<Burgundavia> the LTS stuff?
<adamant1988> more people will actually read it there.
<poningru> well after the in the press stuff atleast
<nixternal_> usually between releases though, there aren't that many "security" releases if i am in the right state of mind heree
<Burgundavia> so, move the LTS stuff to after the in the press stuff
<jsgotangco> we can put very critical bugs and stuff at the top just in case but we can put them generally near the end
<jenda> we don't _want_ people to read boring stuff.
<poningru> Burgundavia: yeah thats what I was thinking
<Burgundavia> and the security stuff?
<nixternal_> jenda: unless you are hardcore, the security stuff is boring ;)
<jenda> The technical things that the average user does not even understand should be at the bottom.
<Riddell> I was about to say what poningru said
<jsgotangco> we add *very* ciritical stuff at the top similar to our xorg experience
<jenda> nixternal: it is, but don't judge my hard-core-ness ;)
<jsgotangco> but those come far between
<nixternal_> jsgotangco: +1
jenda: haha
<poningru> yeah what jsgotangco said sounds good
<Burgundavia> so move the security and updates to below in the press?
* poningru nods
<jenda> Yes
<jsgotangco> yeah
<Burgundavia> poningru: can you make the edit to the template and 14?
* poningru nods
<Riddell> shouldn't we list new packages in dapper-updates too?
<Burgundavia> next point: people doing stuff, assign or not?
Riddell: we do
or at least, we should be
do people feel that the current method of everybody editing everything works, or should we impose a bit more structure on it?
<nixternal_> Burgundavia: i say we get people who want to help out and assign..in the past the "hey the marketing team has the UWN now, you can contribute" hasn't worked so good
<jenda> Burgundavia: that would make sense if we can make sure there is always a person who knows the stuff in question - ie. a person who watches security updates anyway is a good bet - OTOH, I"m not sure if we can do that for every section.
<adamant1988> perhaps there should be a section on community involvement?
<nixternal_> but the current team has been doing an amazing job at the same time
<Burgundavia> adamant1988: yes, good idea
<adamant1988> interesting projects that are happening, ways to help out, etc.
<jsgotangco> well i would say anyone diving in is a good thing, making contribution easier for new comers, but I think there should be at least 1 editorial contact who always oversees the stuff generally
<jenda> adamant1988: +1
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<Burgundavia> jsgotangco: that would be me, currently
<john_little> Lost my net..back
<Burgundavia> I have deliberately avoiding taking any title, however
<jsgotangco> Burgundavia: that's fine, it doesnt need one i think, just someone looking over would be fine
<jsgotangco> (title that is)
<adamant1988> That way you can emphasis community involvement and spirit through the news letter.
<Burgundavia> if I say I am the "Release Manager", does that work?
<Rinchen> it does.
<Burgundavia> that avoids the whole "chief editor" stuff
<Riddell> I don't see what's wrong with chief editor
<adamant1988> Burgundavia: are you in charge of everything?
<Riddell> so long as you reliably take care of it each week (i.e. send it out or make sure someone else it sending it out)
<Burgundavia> adamant1988: mostly
<adamant1988> Burgundavia: then your title should reflect that.
<adamant1988> :)
<Burgundavia> I want to make certain I am "stepping above myself" in this
<nixternal_> i think we can rely on Burgundavia taking care of it...he isn't going anywhere ;)
<adamant1988> Burgundavia: every good organization and project needs a "go to man"
johnlittle john_little
<jenda> I do ;) But any name has the same problem. Let's just leave it at the good old meritocratic self, that whoever is at the time the person who takes care we have a UWN every now and then be the person who sends it out and thus checks it as the last... currently Corey... does that work?
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<Burgundavia> johnlittle: you have been very active, thoughts?
<adamant1988> surely.
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<john_little> I'm afraid I missed the discussion. Lost connectivity.
<Burgundavia> john_little: we were discussing roles
<john_little> But you've been the guy getting UWN done so some kind of official maintainer/editor status is fine with me
<Burgundavia> we started off with general roles, but it quickly got to me and whether I should take a formal title (I am mixed on this)
<john_little> Its a product and a product generally needs a lead
<poningru> lets make it official
<Burgundavia> ok, other roles
<jenda> I think it is irrelevant to the UWN itself, and we might want to go back to the dilemma if we should assign roles to the sections of UWN
<Burgundavia> yes, that
I wouldn't mind if people said "I want to the primary editor of X"
<poningru> that actually sounds good but I think we should have people covering different sections of the community instead of the different sections of the UWN
* nixternal_ wants to be the primary editor for Kubuntu, well secondary as Riddell would be primary
<jenda> hmm
<Burgundavia> ok, that works
* Riddell promotes nixternal_ to primary
<poningru> ofcourse for things like bugs/ new apps in edgy it would have to be that one person
<nixternal_> haha Riddell ;)
thanks!
promotions come quick around here
<jenda> While Riddell himself rises to the rank of 'Supreme'
;)
* Rinchen laughs.
<nixternal_> Burgundavia: i can help out with the security and bug stuff as well, since that is another part of my life i guess you could say
<Burgundavia> ok, that is good
Xubuntu? Edubuntu?
* nixternal_ points at jsgotangco w/ Edubuntu
<jsgotangco> no please no
<nixternal_> haha
<jsgotangco> im too busy at the moment with non-technical edubuntu work here
<Burgundavia> would somebody mind creating a /Contacts page to list all these people?
<nixternal_> one of these days I will be concentrating a heck of lot more on Edubuntu
<poningru> sure
<Burgundavia> lets leave the Xubuntu and Edubuntu stuff empty for now
press coverage?
john_little: you have done well on this, do you mind being the person that people contact about that?
<Riddell> someone who subscribed to google alerts
<john_little> I can do that
<nixternal_> just so everyone knows..even though I am considered the "Kubuntu" guy as well as Riddell, please feel free to input information as well..we may hack it a little, but if it is relevant, i am sure it will stay
john_little: +1 for press stuff
<Burgundavia> absolutely, I want to be clear that these roles don't preclude anybody else editing
<nixternal_> we are more/less PoCs
<Burgundavia> further thoughts on this topic?
<jenda> of course - these are only the people who are held guilty if the section is blank at release time..
<Burgundavia> heh
<john_little> Just the we probably need to reach out to the Edubuntu/Xubuntu folks and see if they want a point person for UWN
<nixternal_> hey...how about adding a riddle or hacker game to each release?
see if people can crack it each week
<jsgotangco> those teams are too small and busy at the moment to have point persons
<adamant1988> sudoku!
<nixternal_> haha
ya..sudoku is my train game
<adamant1988> I vote for sudokus
<john_little> its just a few minutes of work each week. Can't hurt to ask.
<jenda> I don't think we need a sudoku in there, really...
<adamant1988> jenda: I was kidding :P
<jenda> ;)
good
<nixternal_> i wasn't ;)
haha
<adamant1988> Not about the community section though.
<Burgundavia> ok, any further serious topics
?
<nixternal_> release days, and the latest time to have it complete?
<adamant1988> I think that would be nice to have, I would like to tell people where they can help get involved.
<poningru> arr?
<nixternal_> adamant1988: that is everywhere already
<john_little> Burgundavia: Are you going to edit the wiki to reflect this new structure?
<nixternal_> we don't need to do old work over and over and oever and over again
<adamant1988> nixternal_: so? condense it and put it in one place
<Burgundavia> john_little: the new people, yes
<nixternal_> adamant1988: that horse is dead, quit beating it ;)
<adamant1988> I'mt alking about all kinds of projects, not just marketing team stuff
<Burgundavia> somebody needs to create a /Contacts
<nixternal_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Contacts ?
<poningru> Burgundavia: sorry working on it
<poningru> mom called
<nixternal_> kool..thanks poningru
<Burgundavia> poningru: thanks for everything
<john_little> poningru: never apologize for actually doing something :)
<Burgundavia> ok, shall we wrap up this worldwind meeting and get some hacking on the UWN done?
<nixternal_> hey Burgundavia what are the release days?
<nixternal_> saturday or sunday?
<Burgundavia> Saturday, 7am UTC currently (which is midnight my time)
make that Sunday, 7am UTC
<nixternal_> we need to have a set schedule..just in case something comes up with anyone..we can say, here it is set in stone
<Burgundavia> unless the wiki dies... grumble
<nixternal_> haha ya
cool
if the wiki dies in the future, maybe we can fire up a quick gobby session, or suffer through a pastebin
<Burgundavia> gobby it will be
<Rinchen> A reliable release date and quick punt to the Fridge gives everyone the perception that UWN has it's act together.
<Burgundavia> yes
<nixternal_> does canonical still have their servers up for gobby?
<john_little> I say we name nixternal wiki maintainer so when it dies we can blame him
<poningru> Burgundavia: sorry what was your official title again?
Burgundavia: Chief Editor?
<nixternal_> im sick of maintaining the wiki
<Burgundavia> Chief Editor was what I think everybody agreed on
<nixternal_> is he going with a title?
ok..kool
<jenda> darn, there goes the Marketing Team's wiki guy...
<Burgundavia> yes, I will take the title
<nixternal_> aye aye chief
* Rinchen still hosts the marketing team's SOBBY server.
<nixternal_> ;p
<john_little> another bullet on ye olde resume
<Rinchen> +1 on Nixternal (if I get to vote) :-)
<nixternal_> whoa...+1 for what?
<Rinchen> that you get the title and the blame :-)
<john_little> being the wiki blame guy
<nixternal_> don't vote me any more..i have a doc freeze to contend with tonight
<Burgundavia> ok, if we are done, lets move back to -marketing
<Riddell> nixternal_: what's the freeze?
<Burgundavia> last piece, I need somebody to write up the results of the meeting for the mailing list
normally I would do it myself, but I am triple-booked tonight
<nixternal_> doc team has a freeze within 24 hours
* jenda runs... towards bed.
<nixternal_> i have to finish release notes and knot 3
<jenda> everyone seems to be busy...
<Rinchen> Give me 2 hours Nix and I'll be free to help you if you want it
<jenda> I'll do it then, Burgundavia
<Burgundavia> jenda: thanks
<nixternal_> thx Rinchen, in 2 hours i will be home as well
<jenda> But give me the entire log - I came at 1:15
<Burgundavia> thank you everybody for coming out
<Riddell> nixternal_: for all edgy docs
?
<Burgundavia> the UWN rocks thanks to all of you!
<nixternal_> yes Riddell
<Burgundavia> now move off the channel
<nixternal_> hahaljsdfldsjkf
<jenda> Thank you for setting a meeting time we could all make it to ;)
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<Rinchen> :-)
<Riddell> 5 hours until distro meeting, time to snooze
<poningru> aww
* poningru hugs Riddell
<nixternal_> g'nite Riddell
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