[09:49] <~Reza-kun> so uh
[09:49] <~Reza-kun> just what
[09:49] <~Reza-kun> happened
[09:49] <~Reza-kun> last night
[09:49] <Zephy> i'm checking some time where they last loggedin...
[09:50] <Zephy> everyone seemed to disappeared on 15th august
[09:56] <Zephy> zor
[09:56] <Zephy> could you do me a favour
[09:58] <~Reza-kun> ?
[09:59] <Zephy> just
[09:59] <Zephy> tell me the characters in the account
[09:59] <Zephy> CENSORED
[09:59] <Dab> The vast majority of the sever left over leon
[10:00] <Zephy> i'm checking if all the people disappear after a certain event
[10:00] <Dab> and thats karshs account
[10:00] <Zephy> yep
[10:00] <Zephy> because
[10:00] <Zephy> it seems like said earlier
[10:00] <Zephy> everyone seemed to disappeared on 15th august
[10:01] <Zephy> which happened to be the day doc leave
[10:01] <Zephy> hmm
[10:01] <Zephy> dab
[10:01] <Zephy> care to explain? =/
0[10:01] <Dab> Well... I'll start from the very begining
[10:02] <Dab> So a few months ago before leon was a gm he wasganking rebirth...Necriss and Karsh decided to help rebirth becauseit was actually conquest on that account
[10:02] <Dab> From that moment on, Leons had a grudge againtsthem
[10:03] <Dab> Then, Leon disbanded the Elitist because of Necrisskicking him and maya thinking it was a personal attack, when inactuallity they kicked everyone that wasnt online
[10:04] <~Reza-kun> well, obviously that'd not be true
[10:04] <~Reza-kun> since Leon WAS online.
[10:04] <Dab> Not when they kicked him
[10:05] <Dab> Or he was invisible when they did
[10:05] <Zephy> but anyway
[10:05] <Zephy> please continue, we'll argue later =p
[10:05] <Dab> Following that Karsh, Necriss, Doc, Dringe, Nips,and basically all members of the guild AWESOMETON are holding agrudge on leon
[10:06] <Dab> Then Necriss made the corpse that spelled out LeonSu- A Bug and a sever karsh made it appear that the bodiesdespawned
[10:07] <Dab> So dringe made a Swastika instead
[10:08] <Dab> Then another crash restored necriss's message so itread as Leon Swastika Su- A bug
[10:08] <Dab> Leon, having good reason to be angry, but overreacting and over blowing the situation banned Necriss Karsh and Dringe
[10:09] <Dab> Then on Ventrillo someone came up with the idea of "boycotting the sever untill leon leaves"
[10:10] <Dab> Which brings us to our presant state of some ofthem on Remenants of Chaos and some on WoWTorn
[10:10] <Dab> Then Last night....
[10:11] <Dab> Leon comes back from escorting another relitive tofind that Vagoth unbanned Dringe Necriss and Karsh, and isunderstandably angry
[10:12] <Dab> If you want i could super spam you with our entireconvo or i could give u the short version
[10:13] <Zephy> sorry, but it's your call, as long the point isbrought over
[10:13] <Dab> Basically I told him that his point got through andthey're boycotting over him and I asked him to aplogize overbanning them
[10:14] <Dab> [16:46] <Leon> guess I could apologise to karshbut not nec and dringe
[10:15] <Dab> Thats what came out of it, he said he'd "rather beshot in the head than aplogize to necriss" (i cant findthe actualqoute)
[10:16] <Dab> Ending with
[10:16] <Dab> [16:54] <Leon> lemme sleep over it and I'lldeciede what to do
[10:16] <Dab> [16:54] <Leon> driven 200km today
[10:20] <Zephy> anyelse you wish to add
[10:20] <Zephy> like your own opinion in this
[10:20] <Zephy> (no, no worries, i'm not going to shoot you)
[10:20] <Dab> So you have Karsh, Necris, Dringe, Nips, Soul, Doc,Glixia, Mcbayne, Screech, and anyone else who uses irc saying that"its either Leon or us"
[10:21] <Dab> Me, I'm just following glixia around on these othersevers but checking up on gamerzwow every now and then
[10:22] <Dab> Tbh, There goes all of the active players
[10:22] <Dab> But...I dont think what they're doing is right
[10:23] <Dab> From what i understand, they
[10:23] <Zephy> why would that be
[10:23] <Dab> They'll only come back if leon leaves*
[10:24] <Dab> But i think that we maybe able to convicethem to come back if Leon aplogizes
[10:24] <Dab> But Leon said ... let me see if i can find the qoute
[10:25] <Zephy> take your time.
[10:25] <Dab> [16:49] <Leon> you wanna make me leave?
[10:25] <Dab> [16:49] <Leon> you can't
[10:25] <Dab> [16:49] <Leon> you can only get me deGMed viaZorex
[10:25] <Dab> [16:50] <Leon> and you are free to try it
[10:25] <Dab> [16:50] <Leon> other than that I'm not going to do as you say onthe Nec Dringe matter
[10:25] <Dab> [16:54] <Dab> A general aplogy to the sever wouldmake a verygood impression on it all
[10:25] <Dab> [16:54] <Leon> lemme sleep over it and I'lldeciede what to do
[10:25] <Dab> [16:54] <Leon> driven 200km today
[10:26] <Dab> And it really doesnt seem like he is going to aplogize
[10:27] <Dab> Then...I dont know what is going to happenbetween Vagoth and Leon
[10:27] <Dab> I'm sure you read his post on that bans not candythread
[10:29] <Dab> Personally I'd be very sad to see Leon leave, and idont think he should have to, but he sevrely over reacted andholding these vendettas against Karsh and Necriss just becausethey helped rebirth once is a bit ridiclous
[10:30] <Zephy> ok
[10:30] <Zephy> so........
[10:30] <Zephy> give me some time to think of some stuff to say
[10:30] <Zephy> >_>
[10:30] <Dab> AIght
[10:32] <Zephy> so regarding the elitist deband
[10:32] <Zephy> it was because of the lulz
[10:32] <Dab> I almost forgot, Leon and Glixia now hate eachother and leon went as far as removing her from his facebook friends..
[10:32] <Zephy> and necriss seriously did not like the idea of ANY GM in her guild
[10:33] <Zephy> whereas it has always been like that since then
[10:33] <Zephy> and it was only after leon was GM
[10:33] <Zephy> that happened
[10:33] <Zephy> and everyone was kicked
[10:33] <Zephy> even me
[10:33] <Dab> I was invited back along with Glixia
[10:33] <Zephy> and my friends
[10:33] <Zephy> from that
[10:34] <Zephy> we can conclude that necriss had a grudge onLeon becoming the gm
[10:34] <Zephy> and me i guess, lol, since i wasn't invited back
[10:34] <Zephy> .-.
[10:34] <Zephy> so leon did "what was right" and kicked them out
[10:34] <Zephy> and yeah
[10:34] <Zephy> so since after that
[10:34] <Zephy> all the main characters like
[10:34] <Zephy> necriss, karsh, dringe,
[10:34] <Zephy> placed a lot of troll bait
0[10:35] <Zephy> and leon,
[10:35] <Zephy> fell for it
[10:35] <Zephy> and this is as what you have explained earlier
[10:35] <Dab> Yea
[10:35] <Zephy> thus, with leon falling for it, they somewhat "hada valid reason" to defamed leon
[10:35] <Zephy> whereas leon wasn't exactly in the wrong
[10:36] <Zephy> but of course
[10:36] <Zephy> who wouldn't rage if someone made a "unnice"character
[10:36] <Zephy> like
[10:36] <Zephy> xxx-isfail
[10:36] <Zephy> xxx-sucks
[10:36] <Zephy> etc etc
[10:36] <Zephy> so somehow or another
[10:36] <Zephy> leon had the right to ban them
[10:37] <Dab> Yes, that is why i fully support is banning of dringe
[10:37] <Zephy> so in my honest opinion
[10:37] <Zephy> Leon is pretty short tempered for a "not a reallife" event
[10:37] <Zephy> Glixia is too easily influence
[10:37] <Zephy> and she as a GM
[10:37] <Zephy> should actually
[10:37] <Zephy> side with the GM
[10:38] <Zephy> or at least give some advice
[10:38] <Zephy> to the others
[10:38] <Zephy> for her as a GM to hop on the other side
[10:38] <Zephy> It's really not a nice thing to see
[10:38] <Zephy> it made me lost my respect
[10:38] <Zephy> so yeah......
[10:38] <Dab> Yeah i know, I've been trying to reason with her
[10:39] <Zephy> and if they were to leave this server
[10:39] <Zephy> it might be for a better course
[10:39] <Zephy> and tbh
[10:39] <Zephy> they will never leave the server
[10:39] <Zephy> just imagine your
[10:39] <Zephy> >200 hours of gameplay in wow
[10:39] <Zephy> down the drain
[10:39] <Zephy> ...
[10:40] <Zephy> but of course, that is my opinion..
[10:40] <Dab> Karsh already has a max furious paladin on Chaos
[10:40] <Dab> Nips in close to that
[10:40] <Zephy> in retail?
[10:40] <Dab> And the reset have decently geared chars onWowtorn
[10:40] <Dab> No the psever REmanants of Chaos
[10:41] <Zephy> mm
[10:41] <Zephy> well
[10:41] <Zephy> so it seems he's a wow addict and have no otherthings in life to do then...
[10:41] <Zephy> =s
[10:41] <Dab> yea lol
[10:42] <Dab> and an afk bot to farm gold lol
[10:43] <Zephy> mm
[10:43] <Dab> but being excelten at pvp its really easy to gear on that sever
[10:43] <Zephy> well, if they leave the server, then we'll just haveto wait for it to repopulate
[10:43] <Zephy> that is all
[10:44] <Zephy> and not much drama-mama to occur again
[10:44] <Dab> and wowtorn, they have so many people and noraid saves its also really easy to gear
[10:44] <Zephy> mmm
[10:44] <Dab> The thing is...Karsh was the only healer on thesever, With necriss being the only active tank
[10:44] <Zephy> someone will eventually take over his role
[10:45] <Dab> tbh Karsh Necriss and Nips were the only people onthe sever with actual wow knowledge
[10:45] <Zephy> yep
[10:46] <Dab> I litterally couldnt run an event with out karsh being online
[10:46] <Zephy> yep
[10:46] <Zephy> and we become inactive again
[10:47] <Dab> And tbh i'd rather be with glixia
[10:47] <Zephy> sure
[10:47] <Zephy> i don't mind your decision
[10:48] <Zephy> i can't stop you from leaving, but only give someadvice
[10:58] <Dab> Care to state your opinion Zor?
[11:06] <~Reza-kun> my general opnion right now is "sigh"
[11:07] <Dab> lol
[11:09] <~Reza-kun> uh
[11:09] <~Reza-kun> honestly
[11:09] <~Reza-kun> nec and dringe have been assholes lately
[11:09] <~Reza-kun> we all know they've been fucking around forthe entire time they've been here
[11:09] <~Reza-kun> and funny enough, they both strived for agm position which leon got
[11:09] <~Reza-kun> (hint hint)
[11:10] <~Reza-kun> as for karsh
[11:10] <~Reza-kun> well
[11:10] <~Reza-kun> I generally have nothing against him
[11:10] <~Reza-kun> he's not an idiot
[11:11] <~Reza-kun> anyone care to explain what the actualproblem is?
[11:12] <Dab> umm
[11:12] <~Reza-kun> I see Leon and Glixia trying to rip each otherto pieces over vagoth's reversal of those bans
[11:12] <Dab> Glixia and that whole group want Leon gone
[11:13] <~Reza-kun> so uh, now glixia is.. let me find the rightword
[11:13] <Dab> Because of all of these little things that have beenblown out of proportion
[11:13] <~Reza-kun> going against me in order to get another gmremoved?
[11:13] <~Reza-kun> christ, this is child's play
[11:14] <Dab> Going against?
[11:14] <~Reza-kun> well obv. she's running off to other serversin an attempt to make me de-gm leon
[11:15] <Dab> Well it more of sticking with her friends thananything else
[11:15] <Dab> its*
[11:15] <~Reza-kun> ... which either way disqualifies her asmature enough to be a gm
[11:15] <~Reza-kun> it's understandable, but not acceptable
[11:16] <~Reza-kun> i'm not saying gm's of gamerzwow can't playanywhere else
[11:16] <~Reza-kun> however
[11:16] <~Reza-kun> actually leaving out of nowhere - not evenwith a nice "i'm leaving" - is ridiculous
[11:16] <~Reza-kun> and, frankly, this shows that she was onlygm here "for her friends"
[11:17] <~Reza-kun> which ultimately leads me to the aboveconclusion
[11:18] <~Reza-kun> in other words...
[11:18] <~Reza-kun> if she was truly a gm of this server, shewouldn't leave because some players left (putting aside the factthat they may be her friends - since, well, neutrality, anyone?)
[11:19] <~Reza-kun> ... feel free to comment, brb
[11:23] <Dab> Well all i can say, is that this is a game, and fromwhat she told me, you just offered her GM, she didnt actuallyapply, so shes really here to have fun, being a GM was just anadded bonus. When the majority of her friends left, it was nolonger fun here, so she went with them
[11:23] <~Reza-kun> ha ha ha ha
[11:23] <~Reza-kun> she didn't apply no, she practically just bugged me about it for what, 3 weeks
[11:24] <~Reza-kun> how i see it: she generally doesn't get theresponsibility that comes with it
[11:27] <Dab> The problem at hand isnt with her
[11:29] <~Reza-kun> the problem partly became her after this
[11:30] <~Reza-kun> considering her actions now, letting herstraight back into the team with no further note isn't exactlypossible, do you think?
[11:30] <Zephy> and as i said earlier
[11:31] <Zephy> Zephy and she as a GM
[11:31] <Zephy> Zephy should actually
[11:31] <Zephy> Zephy side with the GM
[11:31] <Zephy> Zephy or at least give some advice
[11:32] <Dab> She believes that leons actions were wrong, yesshe could have voiced her opinion here, but joining themwas a spur of the moment descion.
[11:33] <Dab> And its not like she completely left, shes stillactive on the forums