16:29 <catsup> all this crazy shit we humans end up learning
16:30 <catsup> to live in the world of machines and capitalist empires
16:30 <catsup> i'm god damned tired of concrete
16:30 <catsup> i want to steal a yacht
16:31 <catsup> fucking best idea ever
16:31 <catsup> i love you b0rf
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17:01 <b0rf> anytime ;]
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20:03 <rocinante#11> eyedea!
20:04 <Eyedea> hello
20:04 <rocinante#11> eyedea! eyedea! eyedea!
20:04 <rocinante#11> hello
20:04 <rocinante#11> ;)
20:04 <Eyedea> are these new people for real, or are they sketchy?
20:04 <rocinante#11> lol
20:04 <rocinante#11> thats why im glad youre here
20:04 <rocinante#11> haha
20:05 <Eyedea> so where'd all the OG's go?
20:05 <b0rf> its all good in the hood
20:05 <rocinante#11> :) the ogz is nots heres
20:05 <Eyedea> wombat, duane, kyber, leona, marco...
20:05 <Eyedea> hmmm...
20:05 <Eyedea> who else?
20:05 <rocinante#11> nope, whole new group today
20:05 <rocinante#11> there has been some tension
20:06 <Eyedea> ?
20:06 <rocinante#11> we had to kick drake from the library
20:06 <Eyedea> lol
20:06 <rocinante#11> because he/she doesnt say anything
20:06 <rocinante#11> completely quiet
20:06 <Eyedea> creepy
20:06 <rocinante#11> unable to type
20:06 <rocinante#11> and you know tha tis a working channel
20:06 <Eyedea> what's up with these newbies and their silence?
20:06 <rocinante#11> and other drama here and there, to fill you in. but
its all good!!!
20:06 <Eyedea> other drama?
20:06 <Eyedea> good drama?
20:07 <Eyedea> bad drama?
20:07 <Eyedea> that heading sucks
20:07 <rocinante#11> haha
20:07 <rocinante#11> exactly
20:07 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: this heading sucks
20:07 <rocinante#11> thank you
20:07 <rocinante#11> that had been there for two days i think
20:08 <Eyedea> there's no anarkismoist trolls round here is there?
20:08 <rocinante#11> lol
20:08 <rocinante#11> find out for yourself
20:08 <Eyedea> I would, but the newbs don't seem to be able to speak
20:08 <Eyedea> except b0rf
20:08 <rocinante#11> say hello to them
20:08 <rocinante#11> maybe they are offened you called them newbs?
20:09 <Eyedea> nah
20:09 <b0rf> hi
20:09 <Eyedea> hello
20:09 <rocinante#11> hi
20:09 <b0rf> what it is?
20:09 <Eyedea> nothing much
20:09 <Eyedea> you've been in here before
20:09 <Eyedea> but you didn't talk
20:09 <b0rf> well i is talking now
20:09 <Eyedea> just like all the others....
20:09 <Eyedea> you from infoshop? @news?
20:10 <b0rf> naw
20:10 <rocinante#11> im from bbcnews.com :)
20:10 <Eyedea> so how'd you find out about this?
20:10 <Eyedea> haha
20:10 <Eyedea> roc's an up and coming journalist
20:10 <b0rf> i stumbled across the anarchist news web site
20:10 <Eyedea> aah
20:10 <b0rf> and i read the about us
20:10 <b0rf> and downloaded silc
20:10 <Eyedea> anarchist news = @news
20:10 <b0rf> right
20:10 <rocinante#11> and then what?
20:11 <b0rf> then i installed it
20:11 <rocinante#11> ;)
20:11 <Eyedea> hehe
20:11 <rocinante#11> and then?
20:11 <Eyedea> don't feed the troll, b0rf
20:11 <Eyedea> :P
20:11 <b0rf> i typed /server silc.anarchistnews.org
20:11 <b0rf> and here i be, y0
20:11 <Eyedea> you're feeding it
20:11 <rocinante#11> yum yum!
20:11 * rocinante#11 needs food!
20:11 * rocinante#11 needs food!
20:11 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: Anarkismo and Crimethinc
suck
20:12 <b0rf> up and coming journalist?
20:12 <Eyedea> yea
20:12 <rocinante#11> yup
20:12 <b0rf> whats that supposed to mean
20:12 <b0rf> oh at BBC
20:12 <Eyedea> lol
20:12 <rocinante#11> yup, soon to be
20:12 <rocinante#11> im still working on my accent though
20:12 <b0rf> yeah i majored in journalism at one of my colleges
20:13 <Eyedea> I didn't know upstate NY was in Britain
20:13 <b0rf> specialized in print
20:13 <Eyedea> cool
20:13 <b0rf> but then i tranzfered
20:13 <Eyedea> I'm a high school drop out
20:13 <b0rf> and explored the darker side of communication
20:13 <Eyedea> I eat food, play videogames, argue with people about
communist theory
20:13 <Eyedea> ya know
20:13 <rocinante#11> it would be cool to be a journalist i think and
write articles for a living, its hard though
20:13 <Eyedea> the workz
20:14 <b0rf> i eat videogames, play with my food and fuck people who
talk about communist theory
20:14 <Eyedea> :)
20:14 <rocinante#11> sounds like youve found a friend!
20:14 <rocinante#11> friends!
20:14 <Eyedea> you're my only friend, roc
20:14 <Eyedea> ;-)
20:14 <b0rf> i guess if i wanted to work as a journalist, i'd shoot
for NPR
20:14 * rocinante#11 gives eyedea a high five!
20:14 * rocinante#11 gives eyedea a high five!
20:15 <b0rf> or the miami herald
20:15 <Eyedea> hellz yah!
20:15 <rocinante#11> yeh, ive had friends woork for npr and they liked it
20:15 <Eyedea> national public radio?
20:15 <rocinante#11> yes
20:15 <Eyedea> what's so cool 'bout them?
20:15 <b0rf> they're just underated
20:15 <rocinante#11> the lesser of evils...?
20:15 <Eyedea> oh
20:15 <b0rf> yah
20:16 <b0rf> but they have all sorts of stuff
20:16 <rocinante#11> they have interesting news bits
20:16 <rocinante#11> im a bit of a news junkie
20:16 <Eyedea> I don't watch the news
20:16 <b0rf> they had this one piece about angola prison
20:16 <rocinante#11> i dont watch the news, i read it
20:16 <rocinante#11> sometimes watch it online
20:16 <Eyedea> angola prison? like...the angola 3 and whatnot?
20:17 <b0rf> about setting the record for keeping someone in solitary
confinement
20:17 <b0rf> 36 years or some shit
20:17 <rocinante#11> damn
20:17 <Eyedea> yeah, I know about that
20:17 <b0rf> angola prison in louisiana
20:17 <Eyedea> it's plastered all over indymedia
20:17 <b0rf> the prison rodeo
20:17 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: Anarkismo, Crimethinc,
and Indymedia suck
20:17 <rocinante#11> lol
20:17 <Eyedea> O:-)
20:18 <Eyedea> I'm sick of the internet
20:18 <Eyedea> @news, infoshop, anti-politics
20:18 <Eyedea> all that shit
20:18 <Eyedea> it's boooooring
20:18 -!- rocinante#11 changed the topic of chat to: Anarkismo,
Crimethinc, Indymedia, Infoshop, Anti-politics.net, GNN.org,
theanarchistlibrary, and Anarchist News SUCK!
20:18 <rocinante#11> :)
20:19 <Eyedea> haha, GNN.org is funny
20:19 <Eyedea> floopin's awesome
20:19 <rocinante#11> thought youd like that
20:19 <rocinante#11> oh wait i forgot
20:19 <rocinante#11> libcom.org
20:19 <Eyedea> mos def
20:19 <Eyedea> they suck ass X10
20:19 <rocinante#11> how could i do something like that?
20:19 <Eyedea> loser
20:19 -!- rocinante#11 changed the topic of chat to: anarchy sucks ass
20:19 <Eyedea> :-D
20:19 <b0rf> PRIMUS SUCKS
20:20 <Eyedea> ?
20:20 <rocinante#11> tell me about iit
20:20 <Eyedea> never heard of it, but it prolly does suck
20:20 <rocinante#11> primus is a band
20:20 <Eyedea> oh
20:21 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: Anarchists suck
20:21 <Eyedea> fixed!!
20:21 <rocinante#11> solution?
20:21 <rocinante#11> problem?
20:21 <Eyedea> hmmm....
20:21 <Eyedea> well, we can't use mass murder
20:21 <Eyedea> that's fo the hipsters
20:21 <Eyedea> sooo....
20:22 <Eyedea> I'm stumped
20:22 <Eyedea> we could just give them the cold shoulder
20:22 <Eyedea> that works
20:23 <Eyedea> and if they bitch, we'll just be like: "free association,
dickwadz!"
20:23 <rocinante#11> what about free love?
20:23 <Eyedea> or, "voluntary dissociation, dipshit's"
20:23 <rocinante#11> "kill them with kindness"
20:24 <Eyedea> nah
20:24 <rocinante#11> be overly nice
20:24 <Eyedea> wow...this place is a cesspool
20:24 <Eyedea> haha
20:24 <rocinante#11> =-O
20:24 <Eyedea> O:-)
20:25 <rocinante#11> yup today has been a strange day. maybe because
its monday or something
20:25 <Eyedea> did the newbs just start pouring in today?
20:26 <Eyedea> I want the OG's back
20:26 <Eyedea> we should make a special channel for OG's
20:27 <rocinante#11> you are a special channel
20:27 <rocinante#11> :)
20:27 <Eyedea> lol
20:27 <Eyedea> thank you
20:27 <rocinante#11> lots of new faces over the weekend. you missed a
good time for all
20:28 <Eyedea> pidgin was shittin the bed on me
20:28 <Eyedea> I need to figure out how to download irssi
20:28 <rocinante#11> pigdin poop. there is a slightly new verison i think
20:28 <Eyedea> if only frenzy was here...
20:28 <Eyedea> frenzy!
20:28 <Eyedea> forgot about him
20:29 <rocinante#11> is it for windows too?
20:29 <Eyedea> it's just a plugin
20:29 <Eyedea> it makes the SILC chat simpler and more basic
20:29 <rocinante#11> for what?
20:29 <rocinante#11> a plugin for pidgin?
20:30 <Eyedea> yeah
20:30 <Eyedea> I think so
20:30 <Eyedea> I tried to download it from the site but it it wouldn't
let me
20:30 <Eyedea> idk
20:30 <Eyedea> I'll figure it out
20:31 <rocinante#11> looks cool. but also loooks to have a learning curve
20:31 <rocinante#11> and personally, im done learning
20:31 <rocinante#11> ;)
20:31 <Eyedea> ha
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20:43 <b0rf> windoz?
20:43 <rocinante#11> its here!!!!
20:46 <rocinante#11> catsup: are you here?
20:47 <b0rf> catsup is out dumpster-diving
20:48 <rocinante#11> lol
20:53 <b0rf> for the record, i must say that dis silc is teh shiz
20:53 <rocinante#11> cool, im glad you like it
20:54 <rocinante#11> it def has been a good time talking with folks
about the most random things sometimes... i must also say, it gets kind
of strange sometimes too
20:55 <rocinante#11> it got kind of strange this weekend and today
20:55 <Eyedea> lol
20:55 <Eyedea> you still haven't told me the details
20:56 * b0rf faps
20:56 * b0rf faps
20:56 * rocinante#11 covers nose
20:56 * rocinante#11 covers nose
20:57 <Eyedea> ah
20:57 <Eyedea> I see...
20:57 <rocinante#11> sometimes you just wonder about peoples motivations
behind being in the chat...
20:58 <rocinante#11> obviously they must like reading bad grammar
20:58 <Eyedea> sometimes you just have to wonder about peoples motivations
behind being on the internet....
20:58 <Eyedea> fixed!
20:58 <rocinante#11> very true
20:58 <rocinante#11> thanks for fixing that
20:59 <Eyedea> :)
20:59 <rocinante#11> :)
20:59 <Eyedea> oh, jinx!
20:59 <Eyedea> we smilyed at the same time!
20:59 <rocinante#11> i know
20:59 <rocinante#11> :)
20:59 <Eyedea> lol
20:59 <rocinante#11> i was hoping you would smilie again
20:59 <rocinante#11> :)
21:00 <b0rf> what
21:00 <rocinante#11> ?
21:00 <Eyedea> what?
21:01 -!- rocinante#11 is now known as JohnZerzan
21:01 <JohnZerzan> hi
21:01 -!- JohnZerzan is now known as NoamChomsky
21:02 <NoamChomsky> hi john
21:03 <NoamChomsky> what do you think of my linguistic tree diagram?
21:03 <NoamChomsky> dont you love making them?
21:03 <NoamChomsky> :)
21:03 <b0rf> thems is teh shit
21:03 <NoamChomsky> 8-) thank you thank you
21:03 -!- NoamChomsky is now known as JohnZerzan
21:03 <JohnZerzan> thanks b0rf
21:04 -!- Eyedea is now known as Novatore
21:04 <b0rf> np
21:04 -!- JohnZerzan is now known as me
21:04 <Novatore> you both suck
21:04 <me> lol
21:05 <me> go write poetry!
21:05 -!- b0rf is now known as Kaczynski
21:05 <Novatore> :)
21:05 <me> because im outtie bam boutty
21:05 <me> good night novatore
21:05 <Novatore> good night
21:05 <me> good night b0rf
21:05 <Kaczynski> night night
21:05 -!- Novatore is now known as Eyedea
21:06 <me> yup getting strange in here
21:06 -!- Kaczynski is now known as Dave
21:06 <Eyedea> meh
21:06 <me> :)
21:06 -!- Dave is now known as b0rf
21:06 <me> meh
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22:06 <b0rf> !
22:06 <frenzy#5> .
22:11 <b0rf> ok
22:11 <b0rf> for quotations
22:11 <b0rf> instead of "
22:11 <b0rf> use << >> ?
22:12 <frenzy#5> or
22:13 <frenzy#5> << >> is also not the same as � �
22:13 <b0rf> ok
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22:24 <drake> hi
22:25 <b0rf> hi
22:25 -!- drake is now known as unicron
22:25 <b0rf> what the fux is up drizake
22:26 <unicron> not a lot
22:26 <b0rf> you gettin down to this library shit?
22:27 <b0rf> 3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still
be very
22:27 <b0rf> painful. But the bigger the system grows the more
disastrous the
22:27 <b0rf> results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break
down it had
22:27 <b0rf> best break down sooner rather than later.
22:27 <unicron> wise words
22:27 <b0rf> --Ted Kaczynski
22:28 <unicron> his heart was in the right place but his tactics were
ineffective
22:28 <unicron> you can't do it by changing minds, and you certainly
can't change minds by sending mailbombs around
22:29 <unicron> people will forget the content of your message because
of its form
22:30 <b0rf> maybe he intended to stop after his manifesto was published
22:30 <unicron> maybe
22:31 <unicron> i would not have stopped there though
22:31 <b0rf> if you're going, you better go all the way.
22:31 <unicron> he was motivated in the first place by his inability to
stop people from destroying his land
22:31 <unicron> i doubt the manifesto's publishing would have stopped it
22:31 <frenzy#5> He probably didn't have a message when he was trying
to blow up people; he was probably trying to take out people whom he
saw as causing industrial society.
22:31 <b0rf> just like a robot
22:32 <b0rf> robots killing robots
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00:43 <ZeroCool#6> human rights do they excist?
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00:45 <b0rf> wtf
00:46 <b0rf> wow
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03:20 <catsup> hm
03:21 <b0rf> im still awake
03:21 <catsup> oh cool
03:21 <b0rf> i probably should be sleeping
03:21 <catsup> do you know why kaczynski attacked the airlines
03:22 <b0rf> not specifically, no
03:22 <catsup> i looked up each of the people attacked btw
03:22 <b0rf> oh word
03:22 <b0rf> yeah im reading his manifesto right now
03:22 <b0rf> im about halfway thru
03:23 <catsup> the CEO of timber lobbying organization, the CEO of one
of the big 5 PR corporations, some genetic engineering researcher who
was looking for a genetic basis of criminal behaviors
03:24 <catsup> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hit_Where_It_Hurts
03:24 <catsup> re: tactics, see that one
03:25 <b0rf> ah yes
03:25 <b0rf> i am somewhat familiar with this article
03:25 <catsup> most o f
03:26 <b0rf> where is this tactics portion
03:28 <catsup> From what I've read of their activities, radicals who
work against biotechnology still do no more than hack at the tips of the
octopus's tentacles. They try to persuade ordinary farmers, individually,
to refrain from planting genetically-engineered seed. But there are many
thousands of farms in America, so that persuading farmers individually
is an extremely inefficient way to combat genetic engineering.
03:28 <catsup> It would be much more effective to persuade research
scientists engaged in biotechnological work, or executives of companies
like Monsanto, to leave the biotech industry. Good research scientists
are people who have special talents and extensive training, so they are
difficult to replace. The same is true of top corporate executives.
03:28 <catsup> Persuading just a few of these people to get out of biotech
would do more damage to the biotechnology industry than persuading a
thousand farmers not to plant genetically-engineered seed.
03:30 <b0rf> im going to an organic farm in august
03:30 <catsup> of course we know what he means by 'persuading'
03:30 <b0rf> == work for food
03:30 <catsup> cool
03:30 <catsup> where
03:30 <b0rf> wisc
03:31 <catsup> for how long?
03:31 <b0rf> about a month
03:31 <b0rf> food and shelter are provided
03:31 <b0rf> i can probably earn enough food for at least a few months
03:31 <b0rf> mainly meat and veggies
03:32 <catsup> hm
03:32 <b0rf> mostly veggies tho
03:33 <b0rf> ive been eating like shit the past 20 months
03:34 <catsup> in what way
03:34 <b0rf> well since i moved back to the deep south, im exposed to
all sorts of fried, spicy foods
03:35 <catsup> oh ok
03:35 <b0rf> and natural, healthy shit sold at Whole Foods or whereever
is expensive bullshit
03:35 <b0rf> so i usually stick to eating whatever the culture demands
03:35 <catsup> have you noticed how the camera setup at whole foods is
all about spying on the employees?
03:35 <catsup> they don't do shit against shoplifters in there
03:36 <b0rf> ?
03:36 <catsup> maybe they're not all like that but i bet they are
03:36 <b0rf> 4srs?
03:36 <catsup> yeah look at where they position them
03:36 <b0rf> man
03:36 <catsup> there are huge gaps wherever there are no employees
03:36 <b0rf> they've got a cop in every grocery store around here
03:36 <catsup> oh :|
03:36 <b0rf> its insane
03:37 <catsup> must be a lot of poor people to keep in check around there
03:37 <b0rf> oh ya
03:37 <b0rf> katrina didnt change shit
03:37 <b0rf> made everything worse
03:37 <catsup> hahah that's funny when you think about it -- the whole
foods i am talking about -- the employees are the only poor people there
03:37 <catsup> general principle: cameras will be pointed at the poor
03:37 <b0rf> right, i understood that
03:38 <catsup> :p
03:38 <catsup> are the cops black
03:38 <b0rf> i guess there's an assumption that if you're poor, you're
desperate
03:38 <b0rf> most of them, yah
03:39 <b0rf> when my bro was arrested in march, the black cop said he
was going to put a bullet in his head while they transfered him to a
diff. holding cell
03:39 <b0rf> :[
03:40 <catsup> man
03:40 <b0rf> but thats because he was hopping around like an idiot while
chained at the ankles
03:40 <catsup> oic
03:40 <b0rf> lol
03:40 <b0rf> but still
03:41 <catsup> well it doesn't sound like a real threat then
03:41 <b0rf> of course its not
03:41 <b0rf> "Can I search your vehicle?"
03:41 <b0rf> "YOU DON'T HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE!"
03:41 <catsup> "only if i can search yours"
03:42 <b0rf> "Boy, this is Louisiana, anything is probable cause."
03:42 <catsup> omg :(
03:42 <b0rf> but the fact is in any state, anything is probable cause.
03:42 <catsup>
http://www.instructables.com/id/What-to-do-if-the-police-stop-you_1
03:43 <catsup> indeed
03:43 <catsup> it's like that weather thing. they have a saying in
[insert local region]. if you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes.
03:44 * b0rf gets down to James Brown
03:44 * b0rf gets down to James Brown
03:44 <catsup> there is some interesting discussion about the police in
the comments there
03:44 <b0rf> oh oh
03:44 <catsup> the instructions are the aclu know your rights bullshit
03:44 <b0rf> hmm
03:44 <b0rf> you know you can request a ride along with the cops in
your area
03:45 <catsup> what?
03:45 <b0rf> yeah, like ride with the cop n shit
03:45 <b0rf> do several ride alongs and take "notes"
03:45 <catsup> wtf
03:46 <catsup> you just sit in the car with a cop
03:46 <b0rf> yeah
03:46 <catsup> that does not sound much different from being arrested
03:46 <b0rf> when they pull someone over, they just tell you to stay in
the car
03:46 <catsup> lol
03:46 <b0rf> and if they get into a chase, they'll just drop you off
03:47 * b0rf wants to do a ride along to see if he can get access to
the National Criminal Database
03:47 * b0rf wants to do a ride along to see if he can get access to
the National Criminal Database
03:48 <catsup> hm
03:48 <b0rf> i had to swallow a roach today
03:48 <catsup> when they pull someone over you get to use their computer
03:49 <catsup> why
03:49 <b0rf> ya, they have those toughbooks
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03:49 <b0rf> um, a cop was behind me
03:49 <b0rf> and got right up on my ass after i passed him on the highway
03:50 <catsup> oh you were driving
03:50 <b0rf> riding along
03:50 <b0rf> actually
03:50 <catsup> ic
03:50 <b0rf> shit
03:51 <b0rf> gave me some serious heartburn
03:51 <catsup> ugh
03:54 <catsup> lol
03:54 <catsup> jaysbob: right, if your not doing anything wrong just do
what they ask. especially if its something as simple as showing some ID.
03:54 <catsup> goatboy: I hope, one day, a cop stops you while you're
not doing anything wrong, and asks you to step into a cruiser for a ride
to an undisclosed location. Just do what they ask.
03:54 <catsup> jaysbob: I have. it was a surprise party, with cake and
presents. guess your the real loser for not doing what the cop asked.
03:54 <b0rf> haha
03:58 <b0rf> Do not run. Do not touch any police officer.
03:58 <b0rf> Do not resist even if you believe you are innocent.
03:58 <catsup> the aclu thinks that being pulled over is being in court
03:59 <catsup> the aclu thinks that being pulled over is like being
in court
03:59 <catsup> with a judge to make sure both sides follow the rules
04:00 <catsup> btw b0rf are you reading at wikisource
04:01 <catsup> i noticed typos in what you pasted
04:01 <catsup> those are corrected at the wikisource version
04:01 <b0rf> oh
04:01 <catsup> or at least they should be
04:01 <b0rf> pasted what?
04:01 <b0rf> the stuff in #library?
04:02 <catsup> oh, yeah
04:02 <catsup> i was just scrolling up here to find it and i was like,
wtf did it go?
04:03 <catsup> http://jerkface.net/freedom-of-speech
04:03 <b0rf> that was from his manifesto
04:03 <catsup> you know about 'the technological society'?
04:03 <b0rf> stustarkenberry says: I always ask if they understand why
I stopped them. If they say no I will inform them. If they say yes then
I ask for an explanation after all there is no such thing as a routine
stop. We do not need a confession for a traffic citation, that is why
you are told before signing that it is not a plea of guilt just a promise
to appear on or before the date listed.
04:03 <catsup> yeah i know it was
04:03 <b0rf> naw
04:04 <catsup> a lot of kaczynski's work was based on that
04:04 <b0rf> cool
04:05 <catsup> the author ellul was a christian anarchist and a leader
in the french resistance to nazi occupation
04:08 <catsup> i read some of the bible after reading ellul, it's
real surpising to see how distorted everything has become since it was
first written
04:08 <b0rf> yah
04:09 <b0rf> shit gets lost in translation
04:09 <catsup> no...
04:09 <catsup> it's not random error
04:09 <b0rf> im not saying its entirely random error
04:10 <b0rf> but that there are certain words that cannot be properly
translated into another language
04:10 <b0rf> particularly when you look at the crossover from hebrew to
greek or latin
04:10 <catsup> i don't think that is true when you are talking about
parables
04:10 <catsup> and stuff like that
04:11 <b0rf> a good book to read on this is On Christian Doctrine,
by St. Augustine
04:11 <catsup> but anyway the major distortions are like the shit the
church invented in order to try to make christianity compatible with power
04:11 <catsup> with the power of existing institutions
04:12 <b0rf> yeah
04:12 <b0rf> indeed
04:13 <catsup> when was that written
04:13 <b0rf> like, 1st century AD i think
04:13 <catsup> The first three books were
04:13 <catsup> written A. D. 397; the fourth was added 426.
04:13 <catsup> hm
04:13 <b0rf> ok yeah
04:13 <b0rf> i thought it was 1st century
04:14 <b0rf> but before St. Augustine, he was known as Augustine of Hippo
04:14 <catsup> apparently the gospels weren't written until the end of
that century
04:14 <b0rf> i think Augustine is attributed with grouping characters
of syllables into words
04:15 <b0rf> or some shit
04:15 <catsup> the bible is esotericist
04:15 <b0rf> or that he invted the spaces between the syllables, im not
exactly sure
04:15 <b0rf> *invented
04:16 <catsup> but apparently the big secret is just sex
04:16 <b0rf> secret?
04:16 <b0rf> of what
04:16 <b0rf> the bible?
04:16 <catsup> yeah
04:16 <b0rf> oh yeah
04:16 <b0rf> well there was some early christian sect that was devoted
to sex
04:17 <b0rf> maybe it was the gnostics
04:17 <catsup> genesis does not make sense with condoms
04:18 <b0rf> no, hehe
04:19 <catsup> people don't seem to understand why the catholic church
wants to get rid of condoms and stuff
04:19 <b0rf> its the big cosmic cock spraying its load over earth
04:19 <catsup> they don't realize that it fucks up everything their book
says about sex
04:19 <b0rf> sex iz teh shiz
04:19 <catsup> bah
04:19 <catsup> fuck sex
04:20 <b0rf> ok then, rape iz teh shiz
04:20 <catsup> =D
04:20 <catsup> brb
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04:27 <b0rf> im a bit curious about the book of ezekiel
04:27 <b0rf> particularly when he saw "the wheel"
04:27 <b0rf> in the middle of the air.
04:28 <b0rf> probably a ufo
04:29 <b0rf> Ezekiel 1:16 (NIV):
04:29 <b0rf> This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They
sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to
be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
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04:46 <catsup>
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=229028&title=foxfriends-lingerie-football
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08:30 <marco> does infoshop work for you?
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09:43 <duane#15> re: infoshit yes
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13:40 <catsup>
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14:58 <duane#15> broken?
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14:59 <b0rf> hu
15:00 <catnips> hai
15:00 <marco> ciao
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15:23 <marco> lol
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20:34 <b0rf> frenzy where are you from
20:34 <frenzy#6> sorry we don't know each other like that
20:34 <b0rf> england?
20:35 <b0rf> just trying to assess how your geographical location might
influence your view of anarchism
20:37 <frenzy#6> oh you're from west europe? i'm from the states
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20:46 <b0rf> yea so am i
20:47 <frenzy#6> oh someone said he or she had a west european time zone
the other day.
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20:57 <b0rf> marco probably
20:58 <frenzy#6> no I already knew about him
20:58 <b0rf> oh
20:58 <b0rf> what region of the us are you from
20:59 <frenzy#6> none of your business
21:01 <b0rf> just making convo
21:02 <b0rf> why so hostile
21:03 <frenzy#6> that's alright, but you could be anybody who came to
this channel after the site was openned up to the world. I don't feel
like divulging my location to someone I have no connection to
21:05 <catsup> lol
21:05 <catsup> very private info there
21:05 <b0rf> jesus man
21:05 <b0rf> im not asking for your address
21:05 <b0rf> i live in new orleans
21:05 <b0rf> oh
21:05 <catsup> lol b0rf i'm totally going to stalk you now
21:05 <b0rf> wait, does it bother you that i told you that?
21:06 <b0rf> oh noes :[
21:06 <catsup> b0rf dude
21:06 <catsup> you're mine
21:06 <catsup> i got you
21:06 <b0rf> jesus
21:06 <b0rf> is the only one who can save me now
21:06 <catsup> well i did hear that jesus saves
21:06 <b0rf> all the black folk say so
21:07 <b0rf> i hear it every-fucking-day
21:07 <catsup> see, you think that you can say you live in new orleans,
and still be anonymous
21:07 <catsup> BUT i know for a fact that you are the only white man there
21:07 <b0rf> i could be brown
21:07 <catsup> pft
21:07 <b0rf> but yes, i am a white male
21:08 <catsup> gotchya
21:08 <b0rf> and i smell good
21:08 <unicron> hi i am from nantucket
21:08 <b0rf> do you live in a bucket?
21:08 <catsup> omg
21:09 <b0rf> [15:00] < frenzy#3> that's alright, but you could be anybody
who came to this channel after the site was openned up to the world. I
don't feel
21:09 <b0rf> like divulging my location to someone I have no
connection to
21:09 <b0rf> spoken like a true anarchist
21:09 <b0rf> catsup, this man can be trusted
21:09 <b0rf> after all, we have no idea who he/she/it is
21:10 <b0rf> whatever it is, it must be human
21:10 <catsup> you never know these days
21:10 <catsup> technology has come a long way since ELIZA
21:10 <b0rf> i could be chatting with David Lee Roth
21:11 <catsup> i think maybe frenzy thinks that you are me
21:11 <b0rf> didnt John Wayne Gacy have chat?
21:12 <catsup> hm
21:12 <catsup> if gacy got his victims off the interent maybe he'd have
been able to get away with it
21:13 <b0rf> probably
21:13 <frenzy#6> He went to night clubs.
21:13 * b0rf wonders how many craigslist killers there are
21:13 * b0rf wonders how many craigslist killers there are
21:13 <frenzy#6> trolled there
21:14 <catsup> if you kill someone that you happen to have met on
craigslist does that make you a cl killer?
21:15 <frenzy#6> probably. the news would likely say that
21:16 <catsup> the news defines the truth?
21:16 <frenzy#6> does it?
21:16 <catsup> no i'm just bullshitting
21:20 <catsup> unicron: hey
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21:20 <catsup> unicron: i haven't seen you peek your head out of that
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21:21 <b0rf> unicron went back to drake mode
21:21 <catsup> drake?
21:21 <b0rf> ya
21:21 <b0rf> unicron = drake
21:21 <catsup> wtf drake?
21:22 <catsup> i don't know drake
21:22 <b0rf> some user who came in here
21:22 <b0rf> and got booted from #library
21:22 <b0rf> cuz he didnt introduce
21:22 <catsup> oh! i saw that
21:22 <catsup> just forgot
21:24 <catsup> A fasciculation (fah SIK yoo lay shun) (or "muscle twitch")
is a small, local, involuntary muscle contraction (twitching) visible
under the skin arising from the spontaneous discharge of a bundle of
skeletal muscle fibers.
21:25 <catnips> 21:11
21:25 <catsup> i got eyelid twitches man
21:25 <catsup> that's from a combination of drinking and too much salt
last night
21:26 <catnips> I'm in Texas
21:26 <catsup> catnips: howdy. 21:11?
21:26 <catnips> was reading scroll
21:26 <frenzy#6> I was thinking the two captured journalists in N Korea
may have been a ploy for attack under the nice Obama instead of the
all-out Bush and Cheney
21:29 <b0rf> yeah i get those all the time
21:29 <b0rf> a doctor told me that you get those when you're stressed
21:29 <catsup> the wp article says that too
21:30 <frenzy#6> of course, USA has been diplomatic w/ N Korea under
such circumstances in the past. afk
21:30 <catsup> i only get them when i'm hungover
21:30 <b0rf> lol you drank last night?
21:30 <catnips> I don't get hangovers - the things I'm missing out on
21:30 <catsup> not that i feel hungover, but i did drink and have salty
food last night, i know that's it
21:30 <b0rf> oh
21:30 <b0rf> hangovers destroy my soul
21:31 <catsup> hangovers are usually the result of forcing yourself to
get up earlier than your body wants
21:31 <catnips> I drink once in a great while just to keep me honest,
but I don't get drunk anymore
21:32 <b0rf> i usually end up pounding shots of irish whiskey and waking
up in some random woman's bed
21:32 <catsup> i never use an alarm clock so maybe i end up sleeping
longer after drinking but if i got up sooner i'd feel like hell
21:32 <catsup> man
21:33 <catsup> i never wake up in a random woman's bed
21:33 <b0rf> i did in Gloucester
21:33 <catnips> finding myself in random mens' beds contributed mightily
to my ceasing getting drunk
21:33 <b0rf> and New London
21:33 <catsup> in new england??
21:34 <b0rf> yeah, some years ago
21:34 <catsup> did you live up here?
21:34 <catsup> catnips: heh
21:34 <b0rf> no we sailed up there
21:34 <catsup> omg you really are a sailor
21:34 <b0rf> to gloucester, new london and newport
21:34 <catsup> awesome
21:35 <b0rf> im getting back to my roots
21:35 <b0rf> there's more water than land
21:35 <catsup> did you know blood is just salt water
21:35 <b0rf> oh cool
21:35 <catsup> like
21:36 <catsup> it has the same amount of salt
21:36 <b0rf> saline
21:36 <b0rf> solution
21:36 <b0rf> electrolytes
21:36 <catsup> when animals left the ocean they brought the salt water
with them inside the membrane
21:36 <b0rf> if that's the case, then i was born of the ocean
21:36 <catsup> =D
21:37 <catsup> i was thinking earlier today about stealing a yacht
21:38 <catsup> i thought of another problem, how would i explain how i
got the yacht
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21:38 <catsup> one thing i was thinking you could claim to have bought
it off craigslist, maybe repaired it too
21:39 <A.> Read aragorn on anarchist academics - reminded me how I
hung out here for a spell...I figure it's the same person...just sayin'
hello...
21:39 <A.> if you see aragorn tell em Alice says HELLO...
21:39 <A.> xox
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21:40 <catsup> that's far too many words beginning with a
21:40 <b0rf> haha
21:42 <b0rf> so i think im going to grow dreadlocks
21:43 <b0rf> and sell weed
21:43 <b0rf> and play the didjerido
21:44 <catsup> i know someone who grows weed
21:45 <catsup> i want to grow weed but it's such a huge fucking deal to
get started
21:46 <b0rf> that it is
21:46 <b0rf> grow mushrooms instead, easier.
21:47 <catsup> well
21:47 <catsup> i just want to grow weed to smoke it
21:47 <catsup> i don't want to be doing mushrooms all the time, i'd have
to sell those
21:47 <b0rf> or make grind them into powder and mix them with melted
chocolate
21:48 <b0rf> freeze them, then give them away as candy at halloween
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21:51 <catsup> hahah
21:52 <catsup> speaking of project mahem
21:52 <catsup> mayhem
21:52 <catsup> did you hear about the youtube pr0n raid?
21:53 <b0rf> no
21:53 <b0rf> tell me
21:53 <catsup> thousands of people are uploading porn vids to youtube
21:53 <catsup> setting them as private
21:53 <b0rf> lol
21:53 <catsup> so that they can't be flagged
21:53 <b0rf> lemme guess
21:53 <b0rf> kiddy porn?
21:53 <catsup> just ordinary porn
21:54 <b0rf> oh damn
21:54 <catsup> cut into videos
21:54 <catsup> that aren't porn
21:54 <catsup> labelled as non-porn
21:54 <b0rf> haha
21:54 <catsup> or whatever. it's whatever people choose to put up there.
21:54 <catsup> anyway, they're all going to be unleashed at the same time
21:54 <catsup> and then, after that, those same people are going to go
around flagging random videos
21:54 <catsup> to disrupt the flagging system
21:54 <catsup> so for a day or two, youtube will be TOTALLY OVERRUN
WITH PORNOGRAPHY
21:55 <catsup> you'll hear about it on the news :p
21:56 <b0rf> word
21:57 <b0rf> i love porn
21:58 <catsup> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22operation%20ponytail%22
22:00 <catsup> i love epater le bourgeois :p
22:00 <catnips> a little goes a long way
22:00 <catnips> I've about had my fill
22:01 <catsup> lol
22:01 <catsup> yeah for a woman
22:02 <catsup> a little goes a long way
22:03 <catsup> a sexually perverse hero who secludes himself in his house,
basking in life-weariness or ennui, far from the bourgeois society that
he despises. <-- omg, that is me
22:03 <catsup> from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pater_la_bourgeoisie
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22:49 <catnips> AJODA even
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13:41 <catnips> check, check
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13:58 <catsup> a journal of desire armed
13:58 <catsup> anarchymag.org
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14:27 <duane#16> check check
14:33 <catsup> HEY DUANE
14:33 <catsup> lol
14:33 <catsup> how could i not notice
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> Country Currency: CAD
[Canada Dollars]
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> Country IP Range: 99.224.0.0
to 99.255.255.255
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> Country fraud profile: Normal
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> City (per outside source):
Fredericton, New Brunswick
14:34 <catsup> 14:33 <DIzzIEe> tell duane hai
14:34 <catsup> 14:33 <DIzzIEe> and that you used to stick up for him
here :(
14:34 <catsup> 14:33 <J-DoeAWAY> -> [07:23] <catsup> duane is cool
14:34 <catsup> :|
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14:47 -!- aragorn#2 [xifas@barim.neka.silc] has joined chat
14:47 -!- rocinante#11 [xofin@miter.buhy.silc] has joined chat
14:47 <aragorn#2> hello all
14:47 <rocinante#11> hello all too!
14:47 <b0rf> hi
14:48 <b0rf> duane is ignoring us for some reason
14:49 <duane#16> aragorn, all conversations are being logged by ppl in
this channel. be warned
14:49 <b0rf> thats a big assumption
14:49 <b0rf> a lie, if that
14:52 * b0rf feels the vibration of brainwave transmissions
14:52 * b0rf feels the vibration of brainwave transmissions
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--- Log opened Wed Jun 10 15:01:16 2009
15:01 <b0rf> aragorn, hi
15:01 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 8 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
8 normal]
15:02 <aragorn#2> hi
15:02 <catsup> well hello
15:03 <catsup> duane#16: 15:03 <DIzzIEe> invite him back :(
15:03 <aragorn#2> ?
15:03 <catsup> aragorn#2: duane has visited me on the other netowrk
15:04 <aragorn#2> I dont know what the other network is
15:04 <catsup> undernet
15:04 <aragorn#2> oh. I dont know a lot about IRC
15:04 <rocinante#11> what is undernet?
15:05 <catsup> another irc network, like silc.anarchistnews.org
15:05 <catsup> now duane is sending me links to pictures of myself
15:05 <catsup> 15:05 <duane#16>
http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/member/a/0/e/highres_2762574.jpeg
15:05 <catsup> 15:05 <duane#16> your pretty
15:05 <catsup> 15:05 <catsup> lol
15:05 <catsup> i do believe that is a threat!
15:06 <catsup> a completely empty one
15:06 <catsup> of course
15:06 <b0rf> haha
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15:12 <catsup> 15:11 <DIzzIEe> pic:
15:12 <catsup>
http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?uid=AAAAAQAQqHOA4JtKoyL1zysO5uZuQwAAAAkYxuPHZrBk4X2wuA_Nspjn
15:12 <catsup> omg, it's still loading for me
15:12 <duane#16> man, w/e I didn't send you that msg
15:12 <catsup> lol
15:12 <duane#16> stop fucking with us
15:14 -!- duane#16 [xivim@dygof.kasu.silc] has left chat [duane#16]
15:14 <catsup> i can't believe he just lied like that
15:14 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 7 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
7 normal]
15:14 <catsup> that's some rubicon or something
15:14 <b0rf> i feel sorry for these guys
15:14 <b0rf> their library will never get off the ground
15:15 <b0rf> since duane appears to be a student at some university
in canada, my assumption was correct that the web site is a project
for school
15:15 <catsup> omg the facebook pic finally loaded
15:15 <catsup> i'm more attractive than him
15:16 <catsup> diz says he found the girlfriend joady and that she's fat
15:16 <b0rf> yeah but he's wearing a cool hat
15:16 <catsup> 15:15 <DIzzIEe>
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_e01070db510032c97291ef3e502f962d.jpg
15:16 <catsup> 15:15 <DIzzIEe> == joady
15:16 <catsup> 15:15 <DIzzIEe> moar like toady amirite
15:16 <catsup> omg i could get a hat
15:16 <b0rf> DO IT
15:16 <catsup> man, DIzzIEe is fucking out of control
15:17 <catsup> 15:17 <DIzzIEe> whod run that pointilism filter on their
pic unless they wanted to skew body weight
15:17 <catsup> she does seem to have wide cheeks
15:17 <b0rf> look, a hole is a hole
15:18 <catsup> indeed
15:18 <catsup> the girl i lost my virginity to was huge
15:18 <b0rf> did she lose hers too?
15:18 <catsup> no she was a whore
15:18 <catsup> i mean not literally
15:18 <b0rf> oh ok
15:18 <catsup> but she'd had an abortion and shit
15:19 <b0rf> before or after?
15:19 <catsup> before
15:19 <b0rf> oh
15:19 <catsup> apparently she whored it up while she was skinny then
gained weight
15:19 <b0rf> of course
15:20 <catsup> you'd think a girl like that might be resentful
15:20 <catsup> but she seemed real grateful to have me
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15:45 <b0rf> of course
15:45 <b0rf> any lovin's better than none
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16:01 -!- yawaeodj#2 [xezob@zalek.tory.silc] has joined chat
16:02 <b0rf> hi
16:02 <yawaeodj#2> hi
16:05 <b0rf> how're ya
16:08 <catnips> hi
16:09 <b0rf> hi catnips
16:10 -!- marco [xecev@kolaf.vuzy.silc] has left chat [marco]
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16:10 -!- channel user mode/chat/aragorn#2 [o] by marco
16:10 -!- channel user mode/chat/duane#17 [o] by marco
16:11 -!- channel user mode/chat/rocinante#11 [o] by marco
16:12 <catnips> howdy
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16:38 <b0rf> what it is?
16:40 <catnips> it is what it is
16:40 <b0rf>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jz74U5-M7d052GqcbS8hyfPF7GQgD98O1EJ00
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17:11 <b0rf> catnips?
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17:21 <catnips> b0rf
17:23 <b0rf> hi
17:23 <b0rf> hows it going
17:24 <catnips> partly cloudy here
17:24 <catnips> winds, calm
17:27 <b0rf> ya
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--- Log opened Wed Jun 10 17:37:28 2009
17:37 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 9 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
6 normal]
17:37 <catsup> hm
17:37 <catsup> can we still talk here?
17:37 <b0rf> in chat we can
17:37 <b0rf> not in #library
17:38 <catsup> ok
17:38 <catsup> i guess our talking was a threat
17:38 <b0rf> whatever
17:38 <catsup> duane#17: why don't you apologize for lying
17:38 <catsup> duane#17: maybe i'll give you the pw
17:40 <b0rf> they wont even listen to reasonable criticism
17:40 <catsup> indeed
17:40 <catsup> they won'[t even listen to threats against their
girlfriends :p
17:40 <b0rf> :|
17:40 <b0rf> i own a ferrari and a BMW
17:40 <b0rf> according to google
17:41 <catsup> duane#17: hurry up iwant to go afk now i'm only sticking
around FOR YOUR BENEFIT
17:41 <catsup> <-- FAR TOO NICE
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--- Log opened Wed Jun 10 17:56:43 2009
17:56 <duane#17> hi catsup
17:56 <catsup> hi duane
17:56 <duane#17> I feel like we know each other so much better now
17:56 <catsup> haha
17:57 <catsup> 17:56 <DIzzIEe> catsup i wonder if this incident impacts
your standing with the library
17:57 <catsup> 17:57 <catsup> lol
17:57 <catsup> 17:57 <DIzzIEe> or any of ours :|
17:57 <catsup> you know what sucks duane
17:57 <catsup> your lie cannot be undone so easily as i can give you
the pw
17:58 <duane#17> catsup, i have to go, so lets make this quick. You told
joady to get me to talk to you on here (presumably for you to humiliate
us) and then you would give her back the password
17:58 <catsup> lol
17:58 <catsup> let's make this quick?
17:58 <catsup> you can go or not
17:58 <catsup> i don't care
17:58 <duane#17> what do you want
17:59 <catsup> justice
17:59 <duane#17> no such thing my friend
17:59 <catsup> lol
17:59 <catsup> REVENGE
18:00 <duane#17> revenge is a spiral
18:00 <catsup> haha
18:00 <catsup> you plan to retaliate?
18:00 <duane#17> i didnt say that
18:00 <duane#17> what do you want
18:00 <catsup> the difference between revenge and justice is this
18:00 <catsup> YOU WERE THE ONE WHO LIED
18:00 <catsup> THEREFORE YOU PAY
18:01 <catsup> AND YOU REALIZE YOUR FOLLY
18:01 <catsup> it's interesting that now that i have power i have your
attention
18:02 <catsup> don't you think?
18:02 <duane#17> so you just want my attention
18:02 <duane#17> how sweet
18:02 <catsup> no
18:03 <duane#17> i dont understand.
18:03 <duane#17> what do you want
18:03 <catsup> how can you not understand?
18:03 <catsup> are you really so lacking in self awareness?
18:03 <duane#17> what do you want me to be aware of?
18:04 <catsup> it was before, when i was speaking, and you ignored what
i had to say -- even though it was, actually, quite better-informed than
what you had -- that was when i wanted your attention
18:04 <duane#17> why do you need my attention?
18:04 <catsup> past tense duane
18:04 <catsup> needed
18:04 <duane#17> why did you need my attention?
18:04 <catsup> and the reason i needed your attention is that you
have access
18:04 <catsup> whereas i did (and do) not
18:05 <catsup> it was only through your attention that i could act
18:05 <catsup> that is the reason that i needed your attention
18:05 <catsup> not some sentimental 'how sweet' nonsense
18:05 <duane#17> do you owe me anything?
18:05 <catsup> what?
18:05 <duane#17> bc i dont owe you anything
18:05 <catsup> oh, but you do
18:06 <duane#17> what would you like?
18:06 <catsup> you can't give it to me
18:06 <catsup> there is no way for you to repay your debt
18:07 <duane#17> are you actually hurt?
18:07 <catsup> haha
18:07 <catsup> no
18:07 <catsup> how could i be hurt
18:07 <duane#17> because I didn't give you attention
18:07 <catsup> i seem to be very much ahead
18:07 <catsup> YOU ARE DENSE
18:07 <duane#17> I feel like I understand you
18:07 <duane#17> isn't that enough?
18:07 <catsup> i don't need your attention for my own personal
psychological benefit
18:07 <catsup> for fuck's sake
18:07 <catsup> i don't give a SHIT what you think
18:08 <catsup> i didn't come here to make friends and have fun, do
you understand?
18:08 <duane#17> i do now
18:08 <duane#17> so, why did you come here?
18:08 <duane#17> to teach lessons?
18:08 <catsup> no
18:08 <duane#17> to take over?
18:09 <catsup> because the project is in need of special compentencies
which i possess
18:09 <duane#17> no doubt in my mind
18:09 <catsup> and
18:10 <catsup> because at least to some extent i share its purpose
18:10 <duane#17> thats good to hear
18:10 <catsup> what is this bullshit
18:11 <catsup> figure out something to give me
18:11 <catsup> i'll be back in a few
18:11 <duane#17> i'm leaving
18:11 <duane#17> if you want something tell me now
18:11 <duane#17> otherwise this is the end of it
18:12 <duane#17> you can change this situation
18:12 <duane#17> right now, you have control.
18:12 <catnips> he's told you what he wants, duane
18:12 <catnips> you still aren't hearing what catsup is actually saying
18:13 <duane#17> apaprently not
18:13 <duane#17> why dont you tell me
18:13 <catnips> access
18:13 <duane#17> not going to happen
18:13 <duane#17> as far as i live
18:13 <duane#17> far=long
18:13 <catnips> catsup isn't an evil person, duane
18:13 <duane#17> access is developed through relationships and interaction
18:14 <duane#17> the first step is to give me that pw
18:14 <duane#17> otherwise we reach a whole new set of steps
18:14 <catnips> you got one helluva relationship developing now, looks
to me
18:14 <catnips> ah, well you are deep in distrust - so be it
18:15 <catnips> 18:08
18:16 <catnips> /goto 18:10
18:17 <catnips> read at 18:10 thereabouts, read scroll
18:17 <catnips> (or whatever hour:10 is for you)
18:17 <duane#17> my log doesnt go back that far
18:18 <catsup> lol, i don't want (much less expect) duane to give
me access
18:19 <catsup> it's not his to give
18:19 <catnips> well, it's true I don't know enough about the project
to speak to your issue, catsup
18:19 <catsup> duane, you lied about me
18:20 <catsup> and you can't undo that
18:20 <catsup> because whatever you say now is the result of a threat
18:20 <duane#17> you hurt my partner, and you can't undo that
18:20 <catsup> you hurt her
18:22 <duane#17> you must give your parents a hard time
18:22 <duane#17> and the rest of your family
18:23 <catsup> you don't know anything about my family
18:24 <duane#17> I don't claim to
18:24 <catsup> you really don't seem to think you did anything wrong
18:24 <duane#17> did you do anything wrong?
18:24 <catsup> haha
18:25 <duane#17> when did you become a judge?
18:25 <catsup> it depends on what you think about revenge
18:25 <catsup> but that's another question
18:26 <duane#17> so, what next?
18:26 <catsup> did you see what b0rf said
18:26 <duane#17> nope
18:26 <catsup> he said this project was going to be shit, because the
people who control it don't listen to anyone
18:27 <catsup> what do you think about that?
18:27 <duane#17> i don't really care
18:27 <catsup> indeed
18:27 <catsup> that seems to be the case
18:27 <catsup> you're here to 'network'
18:27 <duane#17> I don't even really care about the project to be honest
18:27 <duane#17> I like the people here
18:27 <duane#17> exactly
18:27 <catsup> you want to get your little book published
18:27 <duane#17> it's hard to find ppl that I get along with
18:28 <catsup> god that is pathetic
18:28 <duane#17> what next?
18:28 <duane#17> am i answering right?
18:29 <catsup> i asked you to think of something
18:29 <duane#17> i have nothing to give
18:29 <b0rf> omg its still going
18:29 <catsup> lol
18:29 <catsup> it is indeed
18:30 <catsup> duane, people like bakunin, kropotkin, whose texts you
reproduce, do you think that they did not care about their projects
18:30 <duane#17> i dont care
18:30 <catsup> they were trying to find people to get along with, who
could help them get anthologies published?
18:31 <catsup> do you think so?
18:31 <duane#17> they succeeded in everything they did
18:31 <catsup> what?
18:31 <duane#17> so what they did must have been worth it
18:31 <catsup> they failed
18:31 <catsup> for fuck's sake
18:32 <duane#17> sarcasm
18:32 <duane#17> learn it
18:32 <catsup> what's it mean then
18:32 <catsup> you mock them
18:32 <catsup> ?
18:32 <duane#17> you ask a lot from me
18:32 <duane#17> i don't want to talk about them
18:33 <catsup> you're not making me want to give you anything
18:33 <catsup> a gift for you: SMIQixp
18:34 * b0rf afk
18:34 * b0rf afk
18:34 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 9 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
6 normal]
18:34 <catsup> have fun pretending to be an anarchist