12:11 <catsup> obviously that omits a lot
12:13 <catsup> bbl, afk, will read scroll
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14:13 <rocinante#10> hi
14:13 <rocinante#10> im back
14:14 <rocinante#10> exciting!
14:15 <marco#2> hey roc
14:18 <rocinante#10> you better get your move
on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF5LlKPVYkk
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14:31 <rocinante#10> and he/she is out!
14:31 <rocinante#10> chat must be too boring
14:35 -!- duane#13 [xisad@mehop.gisi.silc] has joined chat
14:36 <rocinante#10> welcome back duane
14:36 <rocinante#10> i think i just walked through a miles worth of
poison ivy
14:37 <rocinante#10> good thing im not allegric to it
14:37 <rocinante#10> but, it still itches!!!
14:38 <marco#2> btw, interesting the drake's reaction
14:39 <duane#13> ty roc
14:39 <duane#13> "the drake"
14:39 <rocinante#10> what does ty mean?
14:40 <duane#13> (t)hank (y)ou
14:40 <rocinante#10> yeh, duane - drake was kicked out of the library
because he/she never said anything... so then drake left the chat too
14:40 <duane#13> ahh
14:40 <duane#13> one less creep :-P
14:40 <duane#13> jk
14:40 <duane#13> a! is probably in surgery as we speak
14:40 <rocinante#10> ;-)
14:40 <rocinante#10> what happened to a!?
14:41 <rocinante#10> is he ok?
14:41 <duane#13> just a minor operation
14:41 <duane#13> hernia
14:41 <rocinante#10> ohh, poor guy. my friend had a hernia once, but it
kind of can go away on its own too i think.
14:41 <rocinante#10> if it is not major
14:42 <duane#13> roc, no they dont go away
14:42 <rocinante#10> maybe not. a! needs to stop eating so much spicy
anarchy food
14:42 <rocinante#10> oh
14:42 <duane#13> lol! or stop lifting heavy computers
14:42 <duane#13> ah, coffee meeting time. sorry for the pop in. ttyiab
14:42 <rocinante#10> chao!
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14:48 <rocinante#11> lost my connection for some reason
14:48 <rocinante#11> a ripple in the matrix must be
14:48 <rocinante#11> :)
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15:00 <rocinante#11> drake?
15:00 <rocinante#11> is your keyboard broken?
15:00 <rocinante#11> ;)
15:00 <b0rf> i think he is masturbating
15:00 <b0rf> she?
15:01 <b0rf> maybe its an agent.
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15:04 <rocinante#11> why do some people have to be so difficult?
15:04 <rocinante#11> i just dont understand the fun in it...
15:05 <rocinante#11> btw, jake the snake = best wrestler ever
15:05 <rocinante#11> :)
15:05 <rocinante#11> jake and the snakes = best band name ever
15:07 <b0rf> "the wrestler" was based on jake "the snake" roberts
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15:47 <rocinante#11> over here catsup and b0rf please and thank you
15:47 <b0rf> yes
15:48 <catsup> $500
15:48 <rocinante#11> b0rf we just try to keep the library chat library
work related only
15:48 <catsup> they inspect your boat at the canal
15:48 <rocinante#11> feel free to chat your hearts away in here.
15:48 <rocinante#11> i love boats by the way
15:48 <catsup> probably you'd need to hide its ID first
15:49 <catsup> you sail rocinante#11 ?
15:49 <rocinante#11> yes
15:49 <catsup> do you own a boat?
15:49 <rocinante#11> i have a 16 foot boston whaler, but it needs to be
fixed up a bit here and there
15:49 <catsup> what kind of ID do they have for those?
15:49 <rocinante#11> i also have a 16 foot fishing boat
15:50 <rocinante#11> i dont have to register the sailboat because it
does not have a motor
15:50 <b0rf> i need at least a 30 footer
15:50 <catsup> yeah you can't live on a 16ft
15:50 <rocinante#11> for the ocean, probably so
15:50 <b0rf> oh nice
15:50 <catsup> do you know what kind of registration regime is in place
in usa tho?
15:51 <rocinante#11> for the ocean? or for the states? i think it is
different for each state
15:51 <b0rf> i guess i can hide a diesel auxillary engine
15:51 <catsup> oh really
15:51 <rocinante#11> i think so. but not sure
15:51 <catsup> i'm just wondering how difficult it would be to steal
a boat
15:51 <rocinante#11> ask your lawyer
15:52 <catsup> no i mean i'm wondering what kind of ID security is
in place
15:52 <b0rf> none at all in most locations
15:52 <catsup> like for cars they have the license plates, which are
pretty hard to get around you know
15:52 <catsup> bc fakes will get you found out if you're pulled over
even once
15:52 <b0rf> in miami they have a shit load of private islands
15:53 <b0rf> == lot'o security
15:53 <rocinante#11> i went out on a sail boat last year in the alantic
ocean with some friends and got really sea sick
15:53 <rocinante#11> it sucked
15:54 <catsup> where do you live rocinante?
15:54 <rocinante#11> new york
15:54 <catsup> cityu?
15:54 <catsup> i was at the pier there once with some guy hwo knew some
guy hwo had a space rented
15:55 <catsup> there = in the city
15:55 <rocinante#11> i bet it is really expensive to rent a place for
your boat in the city...
15:55 <rocinante#11> and no, i live in upstate
15:55 <catsup> they had tight security there, a guy patrolling back
and forth in like a golf cart thing, harrassing anybody who looked out
of place
15:55 <catsup> there were high fences and shit around it too
15:55 <b0rf> dude, its NYC
15:56 <catsup> yeah i know
15:56 <rocinante#11> b0rf where do you live?
15:56 <catsup> but that means they're mainly focused on homeless people
looking for somewhere to sleep
15:56 <b0rf> new orleans
15:56 <catsup> going there to steal a boat might not be so hard and shit,
they got some damned nice boats
15:56 <b0rf> they've got boats all along the miss, al, fl coast
15:57 <catsup> i think the best approach might be to rent a boat and go
in by sea
15:57 <catsup> you'd need two people tho
15:57 <b0rf> and you would need to know how to sail
15:57 <b0rf> and scuba if shit hits the fan
15:57 <catsup> haha my ex was a yacht club sailing instructor
15:58 <catsup> i used to go sailing with her now and then
15:58 <catsup> she would never steal a boat with me tho :|
15:58 <b0rf> steal the boat to smuggle drugs with it
15:58 <catsup> she'd teach me to sail tho if i asked her
15:59 <catsup> anyway wtf do you mean you would need to know how to sail
15:59 <catsup> anhy boat big enough to live on is going to have a motor
15:59 <b0rf> yea, well when you are in mid ocean n shit
16:00 <catsup> well you can learn that shit once you have the boat
16:00 <b0rf> you gotta know how to sail, unless you have a frigate with
a jet engine
16:00 <b0rf> i at least want a diesel
16:00 <catsup> omg frigate why do you know tha tword
16:00 <catsup> i had to look that up
16:00 <b0rf> cuz i am a SAILOR
16:01 <catsup> lol nice
16:01 <b0rf> or a PIRATE
16:01 <catsup> dude pirates unite
16:01 <catsup> PIRATES UNITE!
16:01 <b0rf> lol the bar that i worked at had a pirate theme to it
16:01 <rocinante#11> the pirate party just won big in europe
16:02 <catsup> lol wtf kind of bar has a theme
16:02 <catsup> ya rocinante 4srs
16:02 <catsup> possibly 2 seats i read
16:02 <b0rf> catsup, bars owned by dumbshit baby boomers
16:02 <catsup> according to exit polls it was split 1 or 2
16:02 <rocinante#11> thats what i heard too
16:02 <catsup> somali pirates lost tho :(
16:03 <b0rf> thats cuz they is reckless
16:03 <catsup> what did you do there
16:03 <b0rf> but they employ some essential pirate know-how like grappling
hooks n shit
16:03 <catsup> haha
16:04 <b0rf> they fucked up when they couldnt make it back to their
mothership
16:04 <b0rf> then the SEALS swarmed their asses
16:05 <catsup> yeah i learned all about that on the wikipedia page for
the south park episode about it
16:05 <b0rf> piracy is back!!
16:05 <b0rf> like the romantic-type shit
16:05 <catsup> 3 snipers simultaneously man that is some sick shit
16:06 <rocinante#11> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLdVBf0TCQw borfs
communique
16:07 <b0rf> haha wtf
16:07 <rocinante#11> watch the whole thing
16:07 <b0rf> yea i saw it already
16:07 <rocinante#11> the communique comes after the short intro
16:08 <b0rf> b0rf the planet!
16:10 <catsup> gentrifucking
16:11 <catsup> man this shit is straight up david smail
16:11 <catsup> davidsmail.info
16:11 <catsup> best book on ideology ever btw
16:12 <catsup> omg i object to the negativity imputed on nipple purpling
16:13 <catsup> haha this is hot
16:15 <catsup> srs tho if you're in a gang of masked criminals there
are better things to do than prank the bourgeois to bring attention
to oppression
16:15 <catsup> like maybe rob the bourgeois
16:15 <catsup> to bring cash to your pocket
16:16 <b0rf> better idea
16:16 <b0rf> cops are merely state-sanctioned criminals
16:16 <catsup> indeed
16:16 <catsup> they probably had a network of lookouts for that graffiti
at the end
16:17 <catsup> fuck man
16:17 <catsup> i wish i had a masked gang of criminals who could serve
as a network of lookouts
16:17 <b0rf> no shit
16:17 <catsup> we'd do so much sweet shit
16:17 <b0rf> im always having to look out when i throw my trash out
16:18 <catsup> eh?
16:18 <b0rf> since i dont pay for garbage pick up, i have to do some
guerilla garbaging
16:18 <catsup> oivc
16:18 <b0rf> and people dont recycle around here
16:18 <catsup> haha i do my guerilla garbaging in the opposite direction
16:19 <rocinante#11> im surprised more states dont have bottle redemption
16:19 <b0rf> fucking impossible to get someone to take your recyclables
16:19 <catsup> but yeah man that shit would be a lot safer with a lookout
16:19 <catsup> i posted on craigslist for a dumpster diving lookout and
didn't get shit
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16:19 <b0rf> i mean, just yesterday i was throwing some bottles out at
the little recycling center at the uni
16:19 <b0rf> and within seconds, cop on a bike
16:19 <catsup> lol
16:20 <catsup> cops on bikes
16:20 <b0rf> i think it was a recruit, but he still had a gun
16:20 <b0rf> and a radio to call for backup
16:21 <catsup> so what happened
16:22 <b0rf> nothing i just threw my shit out and like he came rolling
by on a bike
16:22 <b0rf> but i knew it was because of me
16:22 <catsup> oh
16:22 <b0rf> since i had to park in a no parking zone
16:23 <rocinante#11> catsup: do you have bottle redemption where you
are at?
16:24 <catsup> i'm not 100% sure what you mean but i guess yes
16:24 <rocinante#11> its 5 cents here in ny, they are probably going to
make it 10 cents now, and add water bottles and other ones like that,
instead of just beer and soda-pop
16:24 <catsup> oh right
16:24 <catsup> you mean the deposit
16:24 <rocinante#11> yes (or redemption) ;)
16:24 <catsup> yeah man they got that
16:24 <catsup> i'm in CT
16:24 <rocinante#11> take it to the redemption center
16:25 <catsup> no redemption center tho
16:25 <rocinante#11> thought so
16:25 <rocinante#11> oh
16:25 <catsup> you take it back to the store
16:25 <catsup> where you got it
16:25 <catsup> they check the barcode to make sure you're not returning
to the wrong store too
16:25 <rocinante#11> yeh, same here, but they also have places where
people just work redeming bottles all day long
16:25 <catsup> yeah they had one of those before
16:25 <catsup> got shut down
16:25 <catsup> i'm sure they got one somewhere tho
16:26 <b0rf> you have to take it back to the store from which it was
bought?
16:26 <catsup> yeah
16:26 <catsup> it's bullshit
16:26 <rocinante#11> you can take it anywhere here
16:27 <catsup> they should run the system otherwise
16:27 <rocinante#11> prety much, well the big stores at least
16:27 <catsup> yeah well you can do it that way sometimes
16:27 <catsup> they got the machines that check the barcodes
16:27 <catsup> and they program them only to accept certain numbers
16:27 <catsup> sometimes you get shit from one store that works at
another one
16:27 <catsup> like imported beer works the same anywhere that sells it
16:28 <catsup> but coca cola they get different numbers for every store
16:29 <catsup> prolly domestic beer too i would guess but i can't remember
for sure
16:29 <catsup> all this crazy shit we humans end up learning
16:30 <catsup> to live in the world of machines and capitalist empires
16:30 <catsup> i'm god damned tired of concrete
16:30 <catsup> i want to steal a yacht
16:31 <catsup> fucking best idea ever
16:31 <catsup> i love you b0rf
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17:01 <b0rf> anytime ;]
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20:03 <rocinante#11> eyedea!
20:04 <Eyedea> hello
20:04 <rocinante#11> eyedea! eyedea! eyedea!
20:04 <rocinante#11> hello
20:04 <rocinante#11> ;)
20:04 <Eyedea> are these new people for real, or are they sketchy?
20:04 <rocinante#11> lol
20:04 <rocinante#11> thats why im glad youre here
20:04 <rocinante#11> haha
20:05 <Eyedea> so where'd all the OG's go?
20:05 <b0rf> its all good in the hood
20:05 <rocinante#11> :) the ogz is nots heres
20:05 <Eyedea> wombat, duane, kyber, leona, marco...
20:05 <Eyedea> hmmm...
20:05 <Eyedea> who else?
20:05 <rocinante#11> nope, whole new group today
20:05 <rocinante#11> there has been some tension
20:06 <Eyedea> ?
20:06 <rocinante#11> we had to kick drake from the library
20:06 <Eyedea> lol
20:06 <rocinante#11> because he/she doesnt say anything
20:06 <rocinante#11> completely quiet
20:06 <Eyedea> creepy
20:06 <rocinante#11> unable to type
20:06 <rocinante#11> and you know tha tis a working channel
20:06 <Eyedea> what's up with these newbies and their silence?
20:06 <rocinante#11> and other drama here and there, to fill you in. but
its all good!!!
20:06 <Eyedea> other drama?
20:06 <Eyedea> good drama?
20:07 <Eyedea> bad drama?
20:07 <Eyedea> that heading sucks
20:07 <rocinante#11> haha
20:07 <rocinante#11> exactly
20:07 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: this heading sucks
20:07 <rocinante#11> thank you
20:07 <rocinante#11> that had been there for two days i think
20:08 <Eyedea> there's no anarkismoist trolls round here is there?
20:08 <rocinante#11> lol
20:08 <rocinante#11> find out for yourself
20:08 <Eyedea> I would, but the newbs don't seem to be able to speak
20:08 <Eyedea> except b0rf
20:08 <rocinante#11> say hello to them
20:08 <rocinante#11> maybe they are offened you called them newbs?
20:09 <Eyedea> nah
20:09 <b0rf> hi
20:09 <Eyedea> hello
20:09 <rocinante#11> hi
20:09 <b0rf> what it is?
20:09 <Eyedea> nothing much
20:09 <Eyedea> you've been in here before
20:09 <Eyedea> but you didn't talk
20:09 <b0rf> well i is talking now
20:09 <Eyedea> just like all the others....
20:09 <Eyedea> you from infoshop? @news?
20:10 <b0rf> naw
20:10 <rocinante#11> im from bbcnews.com :)
20:10 <Eyedea> so how'd you find out about this?
20:10 <Eyedea> haha
20:10 <Eyedea> roc's an up and coming journalist
20:10 <b0rf> i stumbled across the anarchist news web site
20:10 <Eyedea> aah
20:10 <b0rf> and i read the about us
20:10 <b0rf> and downloaded silc
20:10 <Eyedea> anarchist news = @news
20:10 <b0rf> right
20:10 <rocinante#11> and then what?
20:11 <b0rf> then i installed it
20:11 <rocinante#11> ;)
20:11 <Eyedea> hehe
20:11 <rocinante#11> and then?
20:11 <Eyedea> don't feed the troll, b0rf
20:11 <Eyedea> :P
20:11 <b0rf> i typed /server silc.anarchistnews.org
20:11 <b0rf> and here i be, y0
20:11 <Eyedea> you're feeding it
20:11 <rocinante#11> yum yum!
20:11 * rocinante#11 needs food!
20:11 * rocinante#11 needs food!
20:11 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: Anarkismo and Crimethinc
suck
20:12 <b0rf> up and coming journalist?
20:12 <Eyedea> yea
20:12 <rocinante#11> yup
20:12 <b0rf> whats that supposed to mean
20:12 <b0rf> oh at BBC
20:12 <Eyedea> lol
20:12 <rocinante#11> yup, soon to be
20:12 <rocinante#11> im still working on my accent though
20:12 <b0rf> yeah i majored in journalism at one of my colleges
20:13 <Eyedea> I didn't know upstate NY was in Britain
20:13 <b0rf> specialized in print
20:13 <Eyedea> cool
20:13 <b0rf> but then i tranzfered
20:13 <Eyedea> I'm a high school drop out
20:13 <b0rf> and explored the darker side of communication
20:13 <Eyedea> I eat food, play videogames, argue with people about
communist theory
20:13 <Eyedea> ya know
20:13 <rocinante#11> it would be cool to be a journalist i think and
write articles for a living, its hard though
20:13 <Eyedea> the workz
20:14 <b0rf> i eat videogames, play with my food and fuck people who
talk about communist theory
20:14 <Eyedea> :)
20:14 <rocinante#11> sounds like youve found a friend!
20:14 <rocinante#11> friends!
20:14 <Eyedea> you're my only friend, roc
20:14 <Eyedea> ;-)
20:14 <b0rf> i guess if i wanted to work as a journalist, i'd shoot
for NPR
20:14 * rocinante#11 gives eyedea a high five!
20:14 * rocinante#11 gives eyedea a high five!
20:15 <b0rf> or the miami herald
20:15 <Eyedea> hellz yah!
20:15 <rocinante#11> yeh, ive had friends woork for npr and they liked it
20:15 <Eyedea> national public radio?
20:15 <rocinante#11> yes
20:15 <Eyedea> what's so cool 'bout them?
20:15 <b0rf> they're just underated
20:15 <rocinante#11> the lesser of evils...?
20:15 <Eyedea> oh
20:15 <b0rf> yah
20:16 <b0rf> but they have all sorts of stuff
20:16 <rocinante#11> they have interesting news bits
20:16 <rocinante#11> im a bit of a news junkie
20:16 <Eyedea> I don't watch the news
20:16 <b0rf> they had this one piece about angola prison
20:16 <rocinante#11> i dont watch the news, i read it
20:16 <rocinante#11> sometimes watch it online
20:16 <Eyedea> angola prison? like...the angola 3 and whatnot?
20:17 <b0rf> about setting the record for keeping someone in solitary
confinement
20:17 <b0rf> 36 years or some shit
20:17 <rocinante#11> damn
20:17 <Eyedea> yeah, I know about that
20:17 <b0rf> angola prison in louisiana
20:17 <Eyedea> it's plastered all over indymedia
20:17 <b0rf> the prison rodeo
20:17 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: Anarkismo, Crimethinc,
and Indymedia suck
20:17 <rocinante#11> lol
20:17 <Eyedea> O:-)
20:18 <Eyedea> I'm sick of the internet
20:18 <Eyedea> @news, infoshop, anti-politics
20:18 <Eyedea> all that shit
20:18 <Eyedea> it's boooooring
20:18 -!- rocinante#11 changed the topic of chat to: Anarkismo,
Crimethinc, Indymedia, Infoshop, Anti-politics.net, GNN.org,
theanarchistlibrary, and Anarchist News SUCK!
20:18 <rocinante#11> :)
20:19 <Eyedea> haha, GNN.org is funny
20:19 <Eyedea> floopin's awesome
20:19 <rocinante#11> thought youd like that
20:19 <rocinante#11> oh wait i forgot
20:19 <rocinante#11> libcom.org
20:19 <Eyedea> mos def
20:19 <Eyedea> they suck ass X10
20:19 <rocinante#11> how could i do something like that?
20:19 <Eyedea> loser
20:19 -!- rocinante#11 changed the topic of chat to: anarchy sucks ass
20:19 <Eyedea> :-D
20:19 <b0rf> PRIMUS SUCKS
20:20 <Eyedea> ?
20:20 <rocinante#11> tell me about iit
20:20 <Eyedea> never heard of it, but it prolly does suck
20:20 <rocinante#11> primus is a band
20:20 <Eyedea> oh
20:21 -!- Eyedea changed the topic of chat to: Anarchists suck
20:21 <Eyedea> fixed!!
20:21 <rocinante#11> solution?
20:21 <rocinante#11> problem?
20:21 <Eyedea> hmmm....
20:21 <Eyedea> well, we can't use mass murder
20:21 <Eyedea> that's fo the hipsters
20:21 <Eyedea> sooo....
20:22 <Eyedea> I'm stumped
20:22 <Eyedea> we could just give them the cold shoulder
20:22 <Eyedea> that works
20:23 <Eyedea> and if they bitch, we'll just be like: "free association,
dickwadz!"
20:23 <rocinante#11> what about free love?
20:23 <Eyedea> or, "voluntary dissociation, dipshit's"
20:23 <rocinante#11> "kill them with kindness"
20:24 <Eyedea> nah
20:24 <rocinante#11> be overly nice
20:24 <Eyedea> wow...this place is a cesspool
20:24 <Eyedea> haha
20:24 <rocinante#11> =-O
20:24 <Eyedea> O:-)
20:25 <rocinante#11> yup today has been a strange day. maybe because
its monday or something
20:25 <Eyedea> did the newbs just start pouring in today?
20:26 <Eyedea> I want the OG's back
20:26 <Eyedea> we should make a special channel for OG's
20:27 <rocinante#11> you are a special channel
20:27 <rocinante#11> :)
20:27 <Eyedea> lol
20:27 <Eyedea> thank you
20:27 <rocinante#11> lots of new faces over the weekend. you missed a
good time for all
20:28 <Eyedea> pidgin was shittin the bed on me
20:28 <Eyedea> I need to figure out how to download irssi
20:28 <rocinante#11> pigdin poop. there is a slightly new verison i think
20:28 <Eyedea> if only frenzy was here...
20:28 <Eyedea> frenzy!
20:28 <Eyedea> forgot about him
20:29 <rocinante#11> is it for windows too?
20:29 <Eyedea> it's just a plugin
20:29 <Eyedea> it makes the SILC chat simpler and more basic
20:29 <rocinante#11> for what?
20:29 <rocinante#11> a plugin for pidgin?
20:30 <Eyedea> yeah
20:30 <Eyedea> I think so
20:30 <Eyedea> I tried to download it from the site but it it wouldn't
let me
20:30 <Eyedea> idk
20:30 <Eyedea> I'll figure it out
20:31 <rocinante#11> looks cool. but also loooks to have a learning curve
20:31 <rocinante#11> and personally, im done learning
20:31 <rocinante#11> ;)
20:31 <Eyedea> ha
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20:43 <b0rf> windoz?
20:43 <rocinante#11> its here!!!!
20:46 <rocinante#11> catsup: are you here?
20:47 <b0rf> catsup is out dumpster-diving
20:48 <rocinante#11> lol
20:53 <b0rf> for the record, i must say that dis silc is teh shiz
20:53 <rocinante#11> cool, im glad you like it
20:54 <rocinante#11> it def has been a good time talking with folks
about the most random things sometimes... i must also say, it gets kind
of strange sometimes too
20:55 <rocinante#11> it got kind of strange this weekend and today
20:55 <Eyedea> lol
20:55 <Eyedea> you still haven't told me the details
20:56 * b0rf faps
20:56 * b0rf faps
20:56 * rocinante#11 covers nose
20:56 * rocinante#11 covers nose
20:57 <Eyedea> ah
20:57 <Eyedea> I see...
20:57 <rocinante#11> sometimes you just wonder about peoples motivations
behind being in the chat...
20:58 <rocinante#11> obviously they must like reading bad grammar
20:58 <Eyedea> sometimes you just have to wonder about peoples motivations
behind being on the internet....
20:58 <Eyedea> fixed!
20:58 <rocinante#11> very true
20:58 <rocinante#11> thanks for fixing that
20:59 <Eyedea> :)
20:59 <rocinante#11> :)
20:59 <Eyedea> oh, jinx!
20:59 <Eyedea> we smilyed at the same time!
20:59 <rocinante#11> i know
20:59 <rocinante#11> :)
20:59 <Eyedea> lol
20:59 <rocinante#11> i was hoping you would smilie again
20:59 <rocinante#11> :)
21:00 <b0rf> what
21:00 <rocinante#11> ?
21:00 <Eyedea> what?
21:01 -!- rocinante#11 is now known as JohnZerzan
21:01 <JohnZerzan> hi
21:01 -!- JohnZerzan is now known as NoamChomsky
21:02 <NoamChomsky> hi john
21:03 <NoamChomsky> what do you think of my linguistic tree diagram?
21:03 <NoamChomsky> dont you love making them?
21:03 <NoamChomsky> :)
21:03 <b0rf> thems is teh shit
21:03 <NoamChomsky> 8-) thank you thank you
21:03 -!- NoamChomsky is now known as JohnZerzan
21:03 <JohnZerzan> thanks b0rf
21:04 -!- Eyedea is now known as Novatore
21:04 <b0rf> np
21:04 -!- JohnZerzan is now known as me
21:04 <Novatore> you both suck
21:04 <me> lol
21:05 <me> go write poetry!
21:05 -!- b0rf is now known as Kaczynski
21:05 <Novatore> :)
21:05 <me> because im outtie bam boutty
21:05 <me> good night novatore
21:05 <Novatore> good night
21:05 <me> good night b0rf
21:05 <Kaczynski> night night
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21:06 <me> yup getting strange in here
21:06 -!- Kaczynski is now known as Dave
21:06 <Eyedea> meh
21:06 <me> :)
21:06 -!- Dave is now known as b0rf
21:06 <me> meh
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22:06 <b0rf> !
22:06 <frenzy#5> .
22:11 <b0rf> ok
22:11 <b0rf> for quotations
22:11 <b0rf> instead of "
22:11 <b0rf> use << >> ?
22:12 <frenzy#5> or
22:13 <frenzy#5> << >> is also not the same as � �
22:13 <b0rf> ok
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22:24 <drake> hi
22:25 <b0rf> hi
22:25 -!- drake is now known as unicron
22:25 <b0rf> what the fux is up drizake
22:26 <unicron> not a lot
22:26 <b0rf> you gettin down to this library shit?
22:27 <b0rf> 3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still
be very
22:27 <b0rf> painful. But the bigger the system grows the more
disastrous the
22:27 <b0rf> results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break
down it had
22:27 <b0rf> best break down sooner rather than later.
22:27 <unicron> wise words
22:27 <b0rf> --Ted Kaczynski
22:28 <unicron> his heart was in the right place but his tactics were
ineffective
22:28 <unicron> you can't do it by changing minds, and you certainly
can't change minds by sending mailbombs around
22:29 <unicron> people will forget the content of your message because
of its form
22:30 <b0rf> maybe he intended to stop after his manifesto was published
22:30 <unicron> maybe
22:31 <unicron> i would not have stopped there though
22:31 <b0rf> if you're going, you better go all the way.
22:31 <unicron> he was motivated in the first place by his inability to
stop people from destroying his land
22:31 <unicron> i doubt the manifesto's publishing would have stopped it
22:31 <frenzy#5> He probably didn't have a message when he was trying
to blow up people; he was probably trying to take out people whom he
saw as causing industrial society.
22:31 <b0rf> just like a robot
22:32 <b0rf> robots killing robots
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00:43 <ZeroCool#6> human rights do they excist?
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00:45 <b0rf> wtf
00:46 <b0rf> wow
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03:20 <catsup> hm
03:21 <b0rf> im still awake
03:21 <catsup> oh cool
03:21 <b0rf> i probably should be sleeping
03:21 <catsup> do you know why kaczynski attacked the airlines
03:22 <b0rf> not specifically, no
03:22 <catsup> i looked up each of the people attacked btw
03:22 <b0rf> oh word
03:22 <b0rf> yeah im reading his manifesto right now
03:22 <b0rf> im about halfway thru
03:23 <catsup> the CEO of timber lobbying organization, the CEO of one
of the big 5 PR corporations, some genetic engineering researcher who
was looking for a genetic basis of criminal behaviors
03:24 <catsup> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hit_Where_It_Hurts
03:24 <catsup> re: tactics, see that one
03:25 <b0rf> ah yes
03:25 <b0rf> i am somewhat familiar with this article
03:25 <catsup> most o f
03:26 <b0rf> where is this tactics portion
03:28 <catsup> From what I've read of their activities, radicals who
work against biotechnology still do no more than hack at the tips of the
octopus's tentacles. They try to persuade ordinary farmers, individually,
to refrain from planting genetically-engineered seed. But there are many
thousands of farms in America, so that persuading farmers individually
is an extremely inefficient way to combat genetic engineering.
03:28 <catsup> It would be much more effective to persuade research
scientists engaged in biotechnological work, or executives of companies
like Monsanto, to leave the biotech industry. Good research scientists
are people who have special talents and extensive training, so they are
difficult to replace. The same is true of top corporate executives.
03:28 <catsup> Persuading just a few of these people to get out of biotech
would do more damage to the biotechnology industry than persuading a
thousand farmers not to plant genetically-engineered seed.
03:30 <b0rf> im going to an organic farm in august
03:30 <catsup> of course we know what he means by 'persuading'
03:30 <b0rf> == work for food
03:30 <catsup> cool
03:30 <catsup> where
03:30 <b0rf> wisc
03:31 <catsup> for how long?
03:31 <b0rf> about a month
03:31 <b0rf> food and shelter are provided
03:31 <b0rf> i can probably earn enough food for at least a few months
03:31 <b0rf> mainly meat and veggies
03:32 <catsup> hm
03:32 <b0rf> mostly veggies tho
03:33 <b0rf> ive been eating like shit the past 20 months
03:34 <catsup> in what way
03:34 <b0rf> well since i moved back to the deep south, im exposed to
all sorts of fried, spicy foods
03:35 <catsup> oh ok
03:35 <b0rf> and natural, healthy shit sold at Whole Foods or whereever
is expensive bullshit
03:35 <b0rf> so i usually stick to eating whatever the culture demands
03:35 <catsup> have you noticed how the camera setup at whole foods is
all about spying on the employees?
03:35 <catsup> they don't do shit against shoplifters in there
03:36 <b0rf> ?
03:36 <catsup> maybe they're not all like that but i bet they are
03:36 <b0rf> 4srs?
03:36 <catsup> yeah look at where they position them
03:36 <b0rf> man
03:36 <catsup> there are huge gaps wherever there are no employees
03:36 <b0rf> they've got a cop in every grocery store around here
03:36 <catsup> oh :|
03:36 <b0rf> its insane
03:37 <catsup> must be a lot of poor people to keep in check around there
03:37 <b0rf> oh ya
03:37 <b0rf> katrina didnt change shit
03:37 <b0rf> made everything worse
03:37 <catsup> hahah that's funny when you think about it -- the whole
foods i am talking about -- the employees are the only poor people there
03:37 <catsup> general principle: cameras will be pointed at the poor
03:37 <b0rf> right, i understood that
03:38 <catsup> :p
03:38 <catsup> are the cops black
03:38 <b0rf> i guess there's an assumption that if you're poor, you're
desperate
03:38 <b0rf> most of them, yah
03:39 <b0rf> when my bro was arrested in march, the black cop said he
was going to put a bullet in his head while they transfered him to a
diff. holding cell
03:39 <b0rf> :[
03:40 <catsup> man
03:40 <b0rf> but thats because he was hopping around like an idiot while
chained at the ankles
03:40 <catsup> oic
03:40 <b0rf> lol
03:40 <b0rf> but still
03:41 <catsup> well it doesn't sound like a real threat then
03:41 <b0rf> of course its not
03:41 <b0rf> "Can I search your vehicle?"
03:41 <b0rf> "YOU DON'T HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE!"
03:41 <catsup> "only if i can search yours"
03:42 <b0rf> "Boy, this is Louisiana, anything is probable cause."
03:42 <catsup> omg :(
03:42 <b0rf> but the fact is in any state, anything is probable cause.
03:42 <catsup>
http://www.instructables.com/id/What-to-do-if-the-police-stop-you_1
03:43 <catsup> indeed
03:43 <catsup> it's like that weather thing. they have a saying in
[insert local region]. if you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes.
03:44 * b0rf gets down to James Brown
03:44 * b0rf gets down to James Brown
03:44 <catsup> there is some interesting discussion about the police in
the comments there
03:44 <b0rf> oh oh
03:44 <catsup> the instructions are the aclu know your rights bullshit
03:44 <b0rf> hmm
03:44 <b0rf> you know you can request a ride along with the cops in
your area
03:45 <catsup> what?
03:45 <b0rf> yeah, like ride with the cop n shit
03:45 <b0rf> do several ride alongs and take "notes"
03:45 <catsup> wtf
03:46 <catsup> you just sit in the car with a cop
03:46 <b0rf> yeah
03:46 <catsup> that does not sound much different from being arrested
03:46 <b0rf> when they pull someone over, they just tell you to stay in
the car
03:46 <catsup> lol
03:46 <b0rf> and if they get into a chase, they'll just drop you off
03:47 * b0rf wants to do a ride along to see if he can get access to
the National Criminal Database
03:47 * b0rf wants to do a ride along to see if he can get access to
the National Criminal Database
03:48 <catsup> hm
03:48 <b0rf> i had to swallow a roach today
03:48 <catsup> when they pull someone over you get to use their computer
03:49 <catsup> why
03:49 <b0rf> ya, they have those toughbooks
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03:49 <b0rf> um, a cop was behind me
03:49 <b0rf> and got right up on my ass after i passed him on the highway
03:50 <catsup> oh you were driving
03:50 <b0rf> riding along
03:50 <b0rf> actually
03:50 <catsup> ic
03:50 <b0rf> shit
03:51 <b0rf> gave me some serious heartburn
03:51 <catsup> ugh
03:54 <catsup> lol
03:54 <catsup> jaysbob: right, if your not doing anything wrong just do
what they ask. especially if its something as simple as showing some ID.
03:54 <catsup> goatboy: I hope, one day, a cop stops you while you're
not doing anything wrong, and asks you to step into a cruiser for a ride
to an undisclosed location. Just do what they ask.
03:54 <catsup> jaysbob: I have. it was a surprise party, with cake and
presents. guess your the real loser for not doing what the cop asked.
03:54 <b0rf> haha
03:58 <b0rf> Do not run. Do not touch any police officer.
03:58 <b0rf> Do not resist even if you believe you are innocent.
03:58 <catsup> the aclu thinks that being pulled over is being in court
03:59 <catsup> the aclu thinks that being pulled over is like being
in court
03:59 <catsup> with a judge to make sure both sides follow the rules
04:00 <catsup> btw b0rf are you reading at wikisource
04:01 <catsup> i noticed typos in what you pasted
04:01 <catsup> those are corrected at the wikisource version
04:01 <b0rf> oh
04:01 <catsup> or at least they should be
04:01 <b0rf> pasted what?
04:01 <b0rf> the stuff in #library?
04:02 <catsup> oh, yeah
04:02 <catsup> i was just scrolling up here to find it and i was like,
wtf did it go?
04:03 <catsup> http://jerkface.net/freedom-of-speech
04:03 <b0rf> that was from his manifesto
04:03 <catsup> you know about 'the technological society'?
04:03 <b0rf> stustarkenberry says: I always ask if they understand why
I stopped them. If they say no I will inform them. If they say yes then
I ask for an explanation after all there is no such thing as a routine
stop. We do not need a confession for a traffic citation, that is why
you are told before signing that it is not a plea of guilt just a promise
to appear on or before the date listed.
04:03 <catsup> yeah i know it was
04:03 <b0rf> naw
04:04 <catsup> a lot of kaczynski's work was based on that
04:04 <b0rf> cool
04:05 <catsup> the author ellul was a christian anarchist and a leader
in the french resistance to nazi occupation
04:08 <catsup> i read some of the bible after reading ellul, it's
real surpising to see how distorted everything has become since it was
first written
04:08 <b0rf> yah
04:09 <b0rf> shit gets lost in translation
04:09 <catsup> no...
04:09 <catsup> it's not random error
04:09 <b0rf> im not saying its entirely random error
04:10 <b0rf> but that there are certain words that cannot be properly
translated into another language
04:10 <b0rf> particularly when you look at the crossover from hebrew to
greek or latin
04:10 <catsup> i don't think that is true when you are talking about
parables
04:10 <catsup> and stuff like that
04:11 <b0rf> a good book to read on this is On Christian Doctrine,
by St. Augustine
04:11 <catsup> but anyway the major distortions are like the shit the
church invented in order to try to make christianity compatible with power
04:11 <catsup> with the power of existing institutions
04:12 <b0rf> yeah
04:12 <b0rf> indeed
04:13 <catsup> when was that written
04:13 <b0rf> like, 1st century AD i think
04:13 <catsup> The first three books were
04:13 <catsup> written A. D. 397; the fourth was added 426.
04:13 <catsup> hm
04:13 <b0rf> ok yeah
04:13 <b0rf> i thought it was 1st century
04:14 <b0rf> but before St. Augustine, he was known as Augustine of Hippo
04:14 <catsup> apparently the gospels weren't written until the end of
that century
04:14 <b0rf> i think Augustine is attributed with grouping characters
of syllables into words
04:15 <b0rf> or some shit
04:15 <catsup> the bible is esotericist
04:15 <b0rf> or that he invted the spaces between the syllables, im not
exactly sure
04:15 <b0rf> *invented
04:16 <catsup> but apparently the big secret is just sex
04:16 <b0rf> secret?
04:16 <b0rf> of what
04:16 <b0rf> the bible?
04:16 <catsup> yeah
04:16 <b0rf> oh yeah
04:16 <b0rf> well there was some early christian sect that was devoted
to sex
04:17 <b0rf> maybe it was the gnostics
04:17 <catsup> genesis does not make sense with condoms
04:18 <b0rf> no, hehe
04:19 <catsup> people don't seem to understand why the catholic church
wants to get rid of condoms and stuff
04:19 <b0rf> its the big cosmic cock spraying its load over earth
04:19 <catsup> they don't realize that it fucks up everything their book
says about sex
04:19 <b0rf> sex iz teh shiz
04:19 <catsup> bah
04:19 <catsup> fuck sex
04:20 <b0rf> ok then, rape iz teh shiz
04:20 <catsup> =D
04:20 <catsup> brb
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04:27 <b0rf> im a bit curious about the book of ezekiel
04:27 <b0rf> particularly when he saw "the wheel"
04:27 <b0rf> in the middle of the air.
04:28 <b0rf> probably a ufo
04:29 <b0rf> Ezekiel 1:16 (NIV):
04:29 <b0rf> This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They
sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to
be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
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04:46 <catsup>
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=229028&title=foxfriends-lingerie-football
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08:30 <marco> does infoshop work for you?
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09:43 <duane#15> re: infoshit yes
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12:18 <duane#15> http://www.anarchist-studies.org/node/249 .. I am
surprised that a Graeber book would get the de Acosta thumbs up
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13:40 <catsup>
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14:58 <duane#15> broken?
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14:59 <b0rf> hu
15:00 <catnips> hai
15:00 <marco> ciao
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15:21 <duane#15>
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15:23 <marco> lol
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20:34 <b0rf> frenzy where are you from
20:34 <frenzy#6> sorry we don't know each other like that
20:34 <b0rf> england?
20:35 <b0rf> just trying to assess how your geographical location might
influence your view of anarchism
20:37 <frenzy#6> oh you're from west europe? i'm from the states
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20:46 <b0rf> yea so am i
20:47 <frenzy#6> oh someone said he or she had a west european time zone
the other day.
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20:57 <b0rf> marco probably
20:58 <frenzy#6> no I already knew about him
20:58 <b0rf> oh
20:58 <b0rf> what region of the us are you from
20:59 <frenzy#6> none of your business
21:01 <b0rf> just making convo
21:02 <b0rf> why so hostile
21:03 <frenzy#6> that's alright, but you could be anybody who came to
this channel after the site was openned up to the world. I don't feel
like divulging my location to someone I have no connection to
21:05 <catsup> lol
21:05 <catsup> very private info there
21:05 <b0rf> jesus man
21:05 <b0rf> im not asking for your address
21:05 <b0rf> i live in new orleans
21:05 <b0rf> oh
21:05 <catsup> lol b0rf i'm totally going to stalk you now
21:05 <b0rf> wait, does it bother you that i told you that?
21:06 <b0rf> oh noes :[
21:06 <catsup> b0rf dude
21:06 <catsup> you're mine
21:06 <catsup> i got you
21:06 <b0rf> jesus
21:06 <b0rf> is the only one who can save me now
21:06 <catsup> well i did hear that jesus saves
21:06 <b0rf> all the black folk say so
21:07 <b0rf> i hear it every-fucking-day
21:07 <catsup> see, you think that you can say you live in new orleans,
and still be anonymous
21:07 <catsup> BUT i know for a fact that you are the only white man there
21:07 <b0rf> i could be brown
21:07 <catsup> pft
21:07 <b0rf> but yes, i am a white male
21:08 <catsup> gotchya
21:08 <b0rf> and i smell good
21:08 <unicron> hi i am from nantucket
21:08 <b0rf> do you live in a bucket?
21:08 <catsup> omg
21:09 <b0rf> [15:00] < frenzy#3> that's alright, but you could be anybody
who came to this channel after the site was openned up to the world. I
don't feel
21:09 <b0rf> like divulging my location to someone I have no
connection to
21:09 <b0rf> spoken like a true anarchist
21:09 <b0rf> catsup, this man can be trusted
21:09 <b0rf> after all, we have no idea who he/she/it is
21:10 <b0rf> whatever it is, it must be human
21:10 <catsup> you never know these days
21:10 <catsup> technology has come a long way since ELIZA
21:10 <b0rf> i could be chatting with David Lee Roth
21:11 <catsup> i think maybe frenzy thinks that you are me
21:11 <b0rf> didnt John Wayne Gacy have chat?
21:12 <catsup> hm
21:12 <catsup> if gacy got his victims off the interent maybe he'd have
been able to get away with it
21:13 <b0rf> probably
21:13 <frenzy#6> He went to night clubs.
21:13 * b0rf wonders how many craigslist killers there are
21:13 * b0rf wonders how many craigslist killers there are
21:13 <frenzy#6> trolled there
21:14 <catsup> if you kill someone that you happen to have met on
craigslist does that make you a cl killer?
21:15 <frenzy#6> probably. the news would likely say that
21:16 <catsup> the news defines the truth?
21:16 <frenzy#6> does it?
21:16 <catsup> no i'm just bullshitting
21:20 <catsup> unicron: hey
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21:20 <catsup> unicron: i haven't seen you peek your head out of that
bucket all week
21:21 <b0rf> unicron went back to drake mode
21:21 <catsup> drake?
21:21 <b0rf> ya
21:21 <b0rf> unicron = drake
21:21 <catsup> wtf drake?
21:22 <catsup> i don't know drake
21:22 <b0rf> some user who came in here
21:22 <b0rf> and got booted from #library
21:22 <b0rf> cuz he didnt introduce
21:22 <catsup> oh! i saw that
21:22 <catsup> just forgot
21:24 <catsup> A fasciculation (fah SIK yoo lay shun) (or "muscle twitch")
is a small, local, involuntary muscle contraction (twitching) visible
under the skin arising from the spontaneous discharge of a bundle of
skeletal muscle fibers.
21:25 <catnips> 21:11
21:25 <catsup> i got eyelid twitches man
21:25 <catsup> that's from a combination of drinking and too much salt
last night
21:26 <catnips> I'm in Texas
21:26 <catsup> catnips: howdy. 21:11?
21:26 <catnips> was reading scroll
21:26 <frenzy#6> I was thinking the two captured journalists in N Korea
may have been a ploy for attack under the nice Obama instead of the
all-out Bush and Cheney
21:29 <b0rf> yeah i get those all the time
21:29 <b0rf> a doctor told me that you get those when you're stressed
21:29 <catsup> the wp article says that too
21:30 <frenzy#6> of course, USA has been diplomatic w/ N Korea under
such circumstances in the past. afk
21:30 <catsup> i only get them when i'm hungover
21:30 <b0rf> lol you drank last night?
21:30 <catnips> I don't get hangovers - the things I'm missing out on
21:30 <catsup> not that i feel hungover, but i did drink and have salty
food last night, i know that's it
21:30 <b0rf> oh
21:30 <b0rf> hangovers destroy my soul
21:31 <catsup> hangovers are usually the result of forcing yourself to
get up earlier than your body wants
21:31 <catnips> I drink once in a great while just to keep me honest,
but I don't get drunk anymore
21:32 <b0rf> i usually end up pounding shots of irish whiskey and waking
up in some random woman's bed
21:32 <catsup> i never use an alarm clock so maybe i end up sleeping
longer after drinking but if i got up sooner i'd feel like hell
21:32 <catsup> man
21:33 <catsup> i never wake up in a random woman's bed
21:33 <b0rf> i did in Gloucester
21:33 <catnips> finding myself in random mens' beds contributed mightily
to my ceasing getting drunk
21:33 <b0rf> and New London
21:33 <catsup> in new england??
21:34 <b0rf> yeah, some years ago
21:34 <catsup> did you live up here?
21:34 <catsup> catnips: heh
21:34 <b0rf> no we sailed up there
21:34 <catsup> omg you really are a sailor
21:34 <b0rf> to gloucester, new london and newport
21:34 <catsup> awesome
21:35 <b0rf> im getting back to my roots
21:35 <b0rf> there's more water than land
21:35 <catsup> did you know blood is just salt water
21:35 <b0rf> oh cool
21:35 <catsup> like
21:36 <catsup> it has the same amount of salt
21:36 <b0rf> saline
21:36 <b0rf> solution
21:36 <b0rf> electrolytes
21:36 <catsup> when animals left the ocean they brought the salt water
with them inside the membrane
21:36 <b0rf> if that's the case, then i was born of the ocean
21:36 <catsup> =D
21:37 <catsup> i was thinking earlier today about stealing a yacht
21:38 <catsup> i thought of another problem, how would i explain how i
got the yacht
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21:38 <catsup> one thing i was thinking you could claim to have bought
it off craigslist, maybe repaired it too
21:39 <A.> Read aragorn on anarchist academics - reminded me how I
hung out here for a spell...I figure it's the same person...just sayin'
hello...
21:39 <A.> if you see aragorn tell em Alice says HELLO...
21:39 <A.> xox
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21:40 <catsup> that's far too many words beginning with a
21:40 <b0rf> haha
21:42 <b0rf> so i think im going to grow dreadlocks
21:43 <b0rf> and sell weed
21:43 <b0rf> and play the didjerido
21:44 <catsup> i know someone who grows weed
21:45 <catsup> i want to grow weed but it's such a huge fucking deal to
get started
21:46 <b0rf> that it is
21:46 <b0rf> grow mushrooms instead, easier.
21:47 <catsup> well
21:47 <catsup> i just want to grow weed to smoke it
21:47 <catsup> i don't want to be doing mushrooms all the time, i'd have
to sell those
21:47 <b0rf> or make grind them into powder and mix them with melted
chocolate
21:48 <b0rf> freeze them, then give them away as candy at halloween
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21:51 <catsup> hahah
21:52 <catsup> speaking of project mahem
21:52 <catsup> mayhem
21:52 <catsup> did you hear about the youtube pr0n raid?
21:53 <b0rf> no
21:53 <b0rf> tell me
21:53 <catsup> thousands of people are uploading porn vids to youtube
21:53 <catsup> setting them as private
21:53 <b0rf> lol
21:53 <catsup> so that they can't be flagged
21:53 <b0rf> lemme guess
21:53 <b0rf> kiddy porn?
21:53 <catsup> just ordinary porn
21:54 <b0rf> oh damn
21:54 <catsup> cut into videos
21:54 <catsup> that aren't porn
21:54 <catsup> labelled as non-porn
21:54 <b0rf> haha
21:54 <catsup> or whatever. it's whatever people choose to put up there.
21:54 <catsup> anyway, they're all going to be unleashed at the same time
21:54 <catsup> and then, after that, those same people are going to go
around flagging random videos
21:54 <catsup> to disrupt the flagging system
21:54 <catsup> so for a day or two, youtube will be TOTALLY OVERRUN
WITH PORNOGRAPHY
21:55 <catsup> you'll hear about it on the news :p
21:56 <b0rf> word
21:57 <b0rf> i love porn
21:58 <catsup> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22operation%20ponytail%22
22:00 <catsup> i love epater le bourgeois :p
22:00 <catnips> a little goes a long way
22:00 <catnips> I've about had my fill
22:01 <catsup> lol
22:01 <catsup> yeah for a woman
22:02 <catsup> a little goes a long way
22:03 <catsup> a sexually perverse hero who secludes himself in his house,
basking in life-weariness or ennui, far from the bourgeois society that
he despises. <-- omg, that is me
22:03 <catsup> from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pater_la_bourgeoisie
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22:48 <catnips> what's AJOD stand for?
22:49 <catnips> AJODA even
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13:41 <catnips> check, check
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13:58 <catsup> a journal of desire armed
13:58 <catsup> anarchymag.org
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14:27 <duane#16> check check
14:33 <catsup> HEY DUANE
14:33 <catsup> lol
14:33 <catsup> how could i not notice
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> Country Currency: CAD
[Canada Dollars]
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> Country IP Range: 99.224.0.0
to 99.255.255.255
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> Country fraud profile: Normal
14:33 <catsup> 14:31 <DIzzIEe> City (per outside source):
Fredericton, New Brunswick
14:34 <catsup> 14:33 <DIzzIEe> tell duane hai
14:34 <catsup> 14:33 <DIzzIEe> and that you used to stick up for him
here :(
14:34 <catsup> 14:33 <J-DoeAWAY> -> [07:23] <catsup> duane is cool
14:34 <catsup> :|
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14:47 <aragorn#2> hello all
14:47 <rocinante#11> hello all too!
14:47 <b0rf> hi
14:48 <b0rf> duane is ignoring us for some reason
14:49 <duane#16> aragorn, all conversations are being logged by ppl in
this channel. be warned
14:49 <b0rf> thats a big assumption
14:49 <b0rf> a lie, if that
14:52 * b0rf feels the vibration of brainwave transmissions
14:52 * b0rf feels the vibration of brainwave transmissions
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15:01 <b0rf> aragorn, hi
15:01 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 8 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
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15:02 <aragorn#2> hi
15:02 <catsup> well hello
15:03 <catsup> duane#16: 15:03 <DIzzIEe> invite him back :(
15:03 <aragorn#2> ?
15:03 <catsup> aragorn#2: duane has visited me on the other netowrk
15:04 <aragorn#2> I dont know what the other network is
15:04 <catsup> undernet
15:04 <aragorn#2> oh. I dont know a lot about IRC
15:04 <rocinante#11> what is undernet?
15:05 <catsup> another irc network, like silc.anarchistnews.org
15:05 <catsup> now duane is sending me links to pictures of myself
15:05 <catsup> 15:05 <duane#16>
http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/member/a/0/e/highres_2762574.jpeg
15:05 <catsup> 15:05 <duane#16> your pretty
15:05 <catsup> 15:05 <catsup> lol
15:05 <catsup> i do believe that is a threat!
15:06 <catsup> a completely empty one
15:06 <catsup> of course
15:06 <b0rf> haha
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15:12 <catsup> 15:11 <DIzzIEe> pic:
15:12 <catsup>
http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?uid=AAAAAQAQqHOA4JtKoyL1zysO5uZuQwAAAAkYxuPHZrBk4X2wuA_Nspjn
15:12 <catsup> omg, it's still loading for me
15:12 <duane#16> man, w/e I didn't send you that msg
15:12 <catsup> lol
15:12 <duane#16> stop fucking with us
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15:14 <catsup> i can't believe he just lied like that
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15:14 <catsup> that's some rubicon or something
15:14 <b0rf> i feel sorry for these guys
15:14 <b0rf> their library will never get off the ground
15:15 <b0rf> since duane appears to be a student at some university
in canada, my assumption was correct that the web site is a project
for school
15:15 <catsup> omg the facebook pic finally loaded
15:15 <catsup> i'm more attractive than him
15:16 <catsup> diz says he found the girlfriend joady and that she's fat
15:16 <b0rf> yeah but he's wearing a cool hat
15:16 <catsup> 15:15 <DIzzIEe>
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_e01070db510032c97291ef3e502f962d.jpg
15:16 <catsup> 15:15 <DIzzIEe> == joady
15:16 <catsup> 15:15 <DIzzIEe> moar like toady amirite
15:16 <catsup> omg i could get a hat
15:16 <b0rf> DO IT
15:16 <catsup> man, DIzzIEe is fucking out of control
15:17 <catsup> 15:17 <DIzzIEe> whod run that pointilism filter on their
pic unless they wanted to skew body weight
15:17 <catsup> she does seem to have wide cheeks
15:17 <b0rf> look, a hole is a hole
15:18 <catsup> indeed
15:18 <catsup> the girl i lost my virginity to was huge
15:18 <b0rf> did she lose hers too?
15:18 <catsup> no she was a whore
15:18 <catsup> i mean not literally
15:18 <b0rf> oh ok
15:18 <catsup> but she'd had an abortion and shit
15:19 <b0rf> before or after?
15:19 <catsup> before
15:19 <b0rf> oh
15:19 <catsup> apparently she whored it up while she was skinny then
gained weight
15:19 <b0rf> of course
15:20 <catsup> you'd think a girl like that might be resentful
15:20 <catsup> but she seemed real grateful to have me
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15:45 <b0rf> of course
15:45 <b0rf> any lovin's better than none
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16:02 <b0rf> hi
16:02 <yawaeodj#2> hi
16:05 <b0rf> how're ya
16:08 <catnips> hi
16:09 <b0rf> hi catnips
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16:12 <catnips> howdy
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16:38 <b0rf> what it is?
16:40 <catnips> it is what it is
16:40 <b0rf>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jz74U5-M7d052GqcbS8hyfPF7GQgD98O1EJ00
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17:11 <b0rf> catnips?
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17:21 <catnips> b0rf
17:23 <b0rf> hi
17:23 <b0rf> hows it going
17:24 <catnips> partly cloudy here
17:24 <catnips> winds, calm
17:27 <b0rf> ya
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17:37 <catsup> hm
17:37 <catsup> can we still talk here?
17:37 <b0rf> in chat we can
17:37 <b0rf> not in #library
17:38 <catsup> ok
17:38 <catsup> i guess our talking was a threat
17:38 <b0rf> whatever
17:38 <catsup> duane#17: why don't you apologize for lying
17:38 <catsup> duane#17: maybe i'll give you the pw
17:40 <b0rf> they wont even listen to reasonable criticism
17:40 <catsup> indeed
17:40 <catsup> they won'[t even listen to threats against their
girlfriends :p
17:40 <b0rf> :|
17:40 <b0rf> i own a ferrari and a BMW
17:40 <b0rf> according to google
17:41 <catsup> duane#17: hurry up iwant to go afk now i'm only sticking
around FOR YOUR BENEFIT
17:41 <catsup> <-- FAR TOO NICE
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17:56 <duane#17> hi catsup
17:56 <catsup> hi duane
17:56 <duane#17> I feel like we know each other so much better now
17:56 <catsup> haha
17:57 <catsup> 17:56 <DIzzIEe> catsup i wonder if this incident impacts
your standing with the library
17:57 <catsup> 17:57 <catsup> lol
17:57 <catsup> 17:57 <DIzzIEe> or any of ours :|
17:57 <catsup> you know what sucks duane
17:57 <catsup> your lie cannot be undone so easily as i can give you
the pw
17:58 <duane#17> catsup, i have to go, so lets make this quick. You told
joady to get me to talk to you on here (presumably for you to humiliate
us) and then you would give her back the password
17:58 <catsup> lol
17:58 <catsup> let's make this quick?
17:58 <catsup> you can go or not
17:58 <catsup> i don't care
17:58 <duane#17> what do you want
17:59 <catsup> justice
17:59 <duane#17> no such thing my friend
17:59 <catsup> lol
17:59 <catsup> REVENGE
18:00 <duane#17> revenge is a spiral
18:00 <catsup> haha
18:00 <catsup> you plan to retaliate?
18:00 <duane#17> i didnt say that
18:00 <duane#17> what do you want
18:00 <catsup> the difference between revenge and justice is this
18:00 <catsup> YOU WERE THE ONE WHO LIED
18:00 <catsup> THEREFORE YOU PAY
18:01 <catsup> AND YOU REALIZE YOUR FOLLY
18:01 <catsup> it's interesting that now that i have power i have your
attention
18:02 <catsup> don't you think?
18:02 <duane#17> so you just want my attention
18:02 <duane#17> how sweet
18:02 <catsup> no
18:03 <duane#17> i dont understand.
18:03 <duane#17> what do you want
18:03 <catsup> how can you not understand?
18:03 <catsup> are you really so lacking in self awareness?
18:03 <duane#17> what do you want me to be aware of?
18:04 <catsup> it was before, when i was speaking, and you ignored what
i had to say -- even though it was, actually, quite better-informed than
what you had -- that was when i wanted your attention
18:04 <duane#17> why do you need my attention?
18:04 <catsup> past tense duane
18:04 <catsup> needed
18:04 <duane#17> why did you need my attention?
18:04 <catsup> and the reason i needed your attention is that you
have access
18:04 <catsup> whereas i did (and do) not
18:05 <catsup> it was only through your attention that i could act
18:05 <catsup> that is the reason that i needed your attention
18:05 <catsup> not some sentimental 'how sweet' nonsense
18:05 <duane#17> do you owe me anything?
18:05 <catsup> what?
18:05 <duane#17> bc i dont owe you anything
18:05 <catsup> oh, but you do
18:06 <duane#17> what would you like?
18:06 <catsup> you can't give it to me
18:06 <catsup> there is no way for you to repay your debt
18:07 <duane#17> are you actually hurt?
18:07 <catsup> haha
18:07 <catsup> no
18:07 <catsup> how could i be hurt
18:07 <duane#17> because I didn't give you attention
18:07 <catsup> i seem to be very much ahead
18:07 <catsup> YOU ARE DENSE
18:07 <duane#17> I feel like I understand you
18:07 <duane#17> isn't that enough?
18:07 <catsup> i don't need your attention for my own personal
psychological benefit
18:07 <catsup> for fuck's sake
18:07 <catsup> i don't give a SHIT what you think
18:08 <catsup> i didn't come here to make friends and have fun, do
you understand?
18:08 <duane#17> i do now
18:08 <duane#17> so, why did you come here?
18:08 <duane#17> to teach lessons?
18:08 <catsup> no
18:08 <duane#17> to take over?
18:09 <catsup> because the project is in need of special compentencies
which i possess
18:09 <duane#17> no doubt in my mind
18:09 <catsup> and
18:10 <catsup> because at least to some extent i share its purpose
18:10 <duane#17> thats good to hear
18:10 <catsup> what is this bullshit
18:11 <catsup> figure out something to give me
18:11 <catsup> i'll be back in a few
18:11 <duane#17> i'm leaving
18:11 <duane#17> if you want something tell me now
18:11 <duane#17> otherwise this is the end of it
18:12 <duane#17> you can change this situation
18:12 <duane#17> right now, you have control.
18:12 <catnips> he's told you what he wants, duane
18:12 <catnips> you still aren't hearing what catsup is actually saying
18:13 <duane#17> apaprently not
18:13 <duane#17> why dont you tell me
18:13 <catnips> access
18:13 <duane#17> not going to happen
18:13 <duane#17> as far as i live
18:13 <duane#17> far=long
18:13 <catnips> catsup isn't an evil person, duane
18:13 <duane#17> access is developed through relationships and interaction
18:14 <duane#17> the first step is to give me that pw
18:14 <duane#17> otherwise we reach a whole new set of steps
18:14 <catnips> you got one helluva relationship developing now, looks
to me
18:14 <catnips> ah, well you are deep in distrust - so be it
18:15 <catnips> 18:08
18:16 <catnips> /goto 18:10
18:17 <catnips> read at 18:10 thereabouts, read scroll
18:17 <catnips> (or whatever hour:10 is for you)
18:17 <duane#17> my log doesnt go back that far
18:18 <catsup> lol, i don't want (much less expect) duane to give
me access
18:19 <catsup> it's not his to give
18:19 <catnips> well, it's true I don't know enough about the project
to speak to your issue, catsup
18:19 <catsup> duane, you lied about me
18:20 <catsup> and you can't undo that
18:20 <catsup> because whatever you say now is the result of a threat
18:20 <duane#17> you hurt my partner, and you can't undo that
18:20 <catsup> you hurt her
18:22 <duane#17> you must give your parents a hard time
18:22 <duane#17> and the rest of your family
18:23 <catsup> you don't know anything about my family
18:24 <duane#17> I don't claim to
18:24 <catsup> you really don't seem to think you did anything wrong
18:24 <duane#17> did you do anything wrong?
18:24 <catsup> haha
18:25 <duane#17> when did you become a judge?
18:25 <catsup> it depends on what you think about revenge
18:25 <catsup> but that's another question
18:26 <duane#17> so, what next?
18:26 <catsup> did you see what b0rf said
18:26 <duane#17> nope
18:26 <catsup> he said this project was going to be shit, because the
people who control it don't listen to anyone
18:27 <catsup> what do you think about that?
18:27 <duane#17> i don't really care
18:27 <catsup> indeed
18:27 <catsup> that seems to be the case
18:27 <catsup> you're here to 'network'
18:27 <duane#17> I don't even really care about the project to be honest
18:27 <duane#17> I like the people here
18:27 <duane#17> exactly
18:27 <catsup> you want to get your little book published
18:27 <duane#17> it's hard to find ppl that I get along with
18:28 <catsup> god that is pathetic
18:28 <duane#17> what next?
18:28 <duane#17> am i answering right?
18:29 <catsup> i asked you to think of something
18:29 <duane#17> i have nothing to give
18:29 <b0rf> omg its still going
18:29 <catsup> lol
18:29 <catsup> it is indeed
18:30 <catsup> duane, people like bakunin, kropotkin, whose texts you
reproduce, do you think that they did not care about their projects
18:30 <duane#17> i dont care
18:30 <catsup> they were trying to find people to get along with, who
could help them get anthologies published?
18:31 <catsup> do you think so?
18:31 <duane#17> they succeeded in everything they did
18:31 <catsup> what?
18:31 <duane#17> so what they did must have been worth it
18:31 <catsup> they failed
18:31 <catsup> for fuck's sake
18:32 <duane#17> sarcasm
18:32 <duane#17> learn it
18:32 <catsup> what's it mean then
18:32 <catsup> you mock them
18:32 <catsup> ?
18:32 <duane#17> you ask a lot from me
18:32 <duane#17> i don't want to talk about them
18:33 <catsup> you're not making me want to give you anything
18:33 <catsup> a gift for you: SMIQixp
18:34 * b0rf afk
18:34 * b0rf afk
18:34 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 9 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
6 normal]
18:34 <catsup> have fun pretending to be an anarchist
18:35 <duane#17> how do i be a real anarchist?
18:35 <catsup> stop pretending
18:35 <duane#17> im not an anarchist though
18:35 <duane#17> if you know me, you'd know that
18:36 <catsup> you're not really an academic either
18:36 <duane#17> obviously
18:36 <catsup> so why pretend?
18:36 <duane#17> why do you care?
18:36 <catsup> i don't
18:37 <catsup> i only care about the people who fall for it
18:37 <duane#17> I have no illusions
18:37 <catsup> great
18:38 <duane#17> you've read the emails. you know my history
18:38 <duane#17> you now know more about me than anybody in here
18:39 <duane#17> which is refreshing. but i wish you didn't hurt my
partner to access that part of me
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19:58 -!- rocinante#11 changed the topic of chat to: this channel is
under surveillance
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20:02 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 8 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
5 normal]
20:02 -!- catsup [xofam@buhyt.pida.silc] has joined chat
20:02 <rocinante> back again, big surprise
20:04 <rocinante> i can honestly say, im glad you trolls showed your
true colors today, so we all know for sure where your heart is at
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20:10 <rocinante> thanks again!
20:12 <catsup> what
20:14 <b0rf> rocinante, screw you, truly. if you can't accept a little
criticism, then so be it.
20:15 <rocinante> no, im more than happy to accept constructive criticism
20:15 <b0rf> it really doesn't matter about what we did, since you were
pretentious all along
20:16 <b0rf> srsly.
20:16 <catnips> for real
20:16 <frenzy> nazis fuck off
20:16 <catnips> wtf 'nazis'
20:17 <rocinante> i think he means you and your crew
20:17 <rocinante> and i would have to agree
20:17 <b0rf> i uploaded a few texts, you didn't like them, i disagreed,
and i'm still trying to resolve that part of the convo, but instead
when i objected and realized my complaint was valid, you stumbled and
got found something meaningless to argue about.
20:17 <catnips> and I read that text frenzy gave me
20:18 <rocinante> wrong, i accepted the chomsky articles, but also have
to realize they are controversial
20:18 <catnips> are you like duane and don't care about the project
and anarchism?
20:18 <rocinante> the article i dont accept is the one with the link to
conspiracy theories backed by rascists
20:18 <b0rf> right, im not talking about the chomsky articles man,
get that through your head first
20:18 <catnips> are you here for the feel good vibes of the fine folk
here?
20:18 <rocinante> b0rf i would have if you actually said that
20:18 <b0rf> dude, wtf does that have ANYTHING to do with the
article? nothing.
20:18 <b0rf> look at the substance, not the footnotes
20:18 <rocinante> b0rf: you dont get it. it has everything to do with
the article.
20:19 <frenzy> I certainly don't care about anarchism, but I do enjoy
the project.
20:19 <rocinante> first, it is a blog post, secondd it is a blog post
that calls real anarchists the ones who follow that movie conspiracy
20:19 <b0rf> ok, if you think i do not get it, then please take your
time to explain to me why, point by point, it doesnt fit in the library
20:19 <catnips> I don't wtf anarchism, still - never have known and gave
up trying to know a long time ago
20:19 <b0rf> please?
20:19 <b0rf> so what?
20:19 <rocinante> just did
20:19 <rocinante> read above
20:19 <catnips> you all are the one that have your definitional
geneological requirements
20:19 <b0rf> blog post or not, what, does that destroy its credibility?
20:20 <rocinante> because we dont post "blog posts" on the library. get
this a blog is a little different than an actual article in my humble
opinion
20:20 <rocinante> and second
20:20 <b0rf> i understand where you guys are coming from, honestly,
just calm down, and take the time to see where I'M coming from
20:21 <rocinante> and for me, the big reason, is that the author is not
an anarchist, the text is not relevant to anarchists, and the author
backs rascists like you and your crew
20:21 <rocinante> enough said
20:21 <rocinante> if you dont understand that
20:21 <b0rf> wait, enough with the assumptions man
20:21 <b0rf> and grow up, please
20:21 <rocinante> please, explain to me why you think the article should
be on the library?
20:21 <b0rf> you want to have a righteous debate? then humble yourself.
20:22 <b0rf> because the article makes some valid points about the views
of anarchists
20:22 <b0rf> simple, straight to the point.
20:22 <rocinante> like what?
20:22 <frenzy> the lisp blog entry?
20:22 <rocinante> yes
20:22 <frenzy> it's bullshit
20:23 <rocinante> agreed
20:23 <b0rf> you said yourself that a text does not have to be entirely
dedicated to anarchism
20:23 <rocinante> are you going to explain more b0rf or no?
20:23 <frenzy> and the lisp shit isn't about open source, and open source
can be anything you want it to be
20:23 <rocinante> about why the article should be up
20:23 <b0rf> lol, you guys think that anarchism is limited to your views
only? its obvious it isn't!
20:23 <b0rf> open source = anarchism
20:23 <rocinante> no its not
20:23 <b0rf> period.
20:24 <rocinante> wow
20:24 <frenzy> open source = communism/socialism/anarchism/capitalism
20:24 <b0rf> oh yeah! "wow"
20:24 <rocinante> you have a lot to learn
20:24 <b0rf> so do you, apparently
20:24 <b0rf> it seems that we at least agree to disagree, can you agree
with that?
20:24 <rocinante> i guess so since catsup thinks im the most "retarded
one here"
20:25 <b0rf> ok, nevermind that shit
20:25 <b0rf> stop getting distracted
20:25 <rocinante> the last comment was in response to "you have a lot
to learn"
20:25 <b0rf> oh
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20:26 <frenzy> Since I occasionaly write about food here on Chanfles! I
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20:26 <frenzy> http://laeastside.com/2009/05/poor-food/
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20:26 <frenzy> Striking Windsor city workers suspected of sabotage
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20:26 <frenzy> #56, 17:04: Anarchist Nikos Kountardas continues hunger
strike, resumes thirst strike. Letter from prison.
20:26 <frenzy> Published at: 08:05 am - Thursday May 28 2009
20:26 <frenzy> (reposted from athens imc with some minor alterations)
20:26 <frenzy>
20:26 <frenzy> On Saturday May 16 anarchist Nikos Kountardas was ordered
in pre-trial detention under the pretext of his supposed non-abiding
to the bail conditions previously set to him. Nikos had been ordered
to appear to his local police station (in the northern city of Xanthi)
twice a month. At his previous appearance he was informed he could not
sign the paper proving his presence, under a bureaucratic pretext (that
his case�s folder had not been transferred to the local station yet). The
next time he appeared to the same station (on May 16), he was arrested!
20:26 <frenzy> Next day, on Sunday May 17 Nikos was transferred to the
prison of Komotini, where he was placed in solitary confinement. Two
days later, on May 19, in an obvious attempt to be isolated from the
solidarity movement around him, he was transferred to the remote prison
of Amfissa, in central Greece.
20:26 <frenzy> Nikos went on thirst and hunger strike from the night of
May 16, the night of his arrest. He stopped the thirst strike on May 23
when was informed that there will be a court date set for him while he
continued to be on hunger strike, demanding his immediate release.
20:26 <frenzy> Doctors warn that Nikos� health is deteriorating and that
he is fast approaching a non-reversible condition.
20:26 <frenzy> Solidarity actions have taken place in many cities around
Greece, while on May 22 Nikos was transferred to the General Hospital
of Nikaia in Athens.
20:26 <frenzy> Yesterday on May 27 he resumed the Thirst Strike while
he is still on Hunger Strike since May 16.
20:26 <frenzy> Yesterday he managed to secretly send the following letter
that reached comrades outside:
20:26 <frenzy>
20:26 <frenzy> -
20:26 <frenzy> I �m writing a few words on a napkin. In secret. They
have forbidden me everything. I am in a state of complete isolation. I
dont know what�s happening outside. Real terrorism exerted from the deep
State itself. However, I believe I haven�t said my last word. I hope these
will reach the outside world and will become known, propagated. Whatever
happens. Hear the testimony of my soul that I have given a week ago to
Radio Revolt. The situation and the conditions in here remind me of other
dark ages. They are all furious with me. I do not know if I� m considered
a political prisoner of their democracy, the only sure thing is that
if someday their sovereignty collapses I may perhaps be recognized as
a former casualty or former prisoner of their democracy . Something
like the actual, frequently advertised and honoured, recognisable by
all released and exiled by the dictatorship prisoners (during the
Junta in Greece,1967-1974). Until then what would you expect& deafening
silence. Silence like omerta that should not break . It doesnt matter,
one day theyll understand, maybe the people will wake up.
20:26 <frenzy> Here and now in the State Hospital, they have put me in
here since Friday after they transported me in almost a coma condition,
with pressure 7-5, glykose 45, weighing 6 kilograms less. Ill try and
describe whats going on. The doctors tried to inject me with IV water,
however I did not accept it. In any case I generally have to admit that
despite the pressure on them by the State the doctors have kept a decent
attitude. However, during the course of the night, on the dawn of Saturday
and while I was unconscious a strange woman escorted by policemen entered
the room and injected me with glykozated water and vitamins. This is an
incident that I want to make public and denounce, while the fact can also
be testified by the one and only patient detained in the room with me.
20:26 <frenzy> What I want to say is that we may all imagine what also
happened to Savvas Xiros (injured by a bomb blast) in Evangelismos
Hospital. And since I have talked about Friday, I want to thank all the
friends and comrades that upset the area around the hospital (solidarity
protest). It was moving and pleasant for me while unpleasant for the
enemy. Also I want to thank all the people that came outside the hospital
the next morning. It was a gesture that livened up my soul. I heard of
and was really glad for the great protest in Xanthi, a city that gives
birth to anarchists. As well as for the attacks against the riot police
in Trikoupi Str in the cities of Athens and Thessalonica. I THANK all
the friends and comrades from every corner of the Greek space for their
diversified solidarity.
20:26 <frenzy> Now for some different kind of thanks.
20:26 <frenzy> * I thank the people in charge from the Ministry
of Justice that are crowding outside the guarded Hospital Ward that they
keep me in order to resolve my problem.
20:26 <frenzy> * I thank the Public Prosecutor and Police
authorities that within a matter of 10 minutes managed to prepare a case
against me, while the responsible for my release Council of Judges of
Komotini requires more than 10 days.
20:26 <frenzy> * I thank the humanguards for their kind treatment
during my transfer-abduction from Komotini Prison, worthy and exemplary
for a prisoner in hunger and thirst strike.
20:26 <frenzy> * I thank my inmate in Komotini Prison that in
solidarity abstained from food, and burned the Prison Ward when he heard
of my torture and continues supporting me despite me suspicious fight.
20:26 <frenzy> * I thank here in the State Hospital the guards
that allow me to make phone calls, respect my private information and
in general respect the rights of a prisoner.
20:26 <frenzy> * I thank the para-government that has not
threatened my parents&
20:26 <frenzy> * Finally I thank in advance all the scam that will
defame and slander this second and difficult effort of mine to pursue
my rights.
20:26 <frenzy> Today, Wednesday 27/5/09 noon I began the 2nd and
last Hunger and Thirst Strike. I will fight for my right by any means
necessary. If theres no solution then it�s WAR WAR WAR!
20:26 <frenzy> While closing this letter I �m asking for two favours. I
had promised something to Alexis in P.Faliro, perhaps I won�t be able
to make it. Comrades, please spread this now during the exam school
period for those who want to study in Universities: December the 6th,
2008 June the 6th, 2009. No students and schoolmates this year to be
candidates to join the Police Force. WE DO NOT FORGET - WE DO NOT FORGIVE.
20:26 <frenzy> And finally, protect those in Xanthi as if it was your
own eyes.
20:26 <frenzy> Im not of this world.
20:26 <frenzy> LONG LIVE TOTAL FREEDOM
20:26 <frenzy> With true love, Nikos Kountardas
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20:26 <frenzy> Bernard Sumner from Dolores Park
20:26 <frenzy> Published at: 12:05 pm - Tuesday May 26 2009
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and "Chocolate Rain". The site's random board is by far its most popular
and notorious. Known as "/b/", there are very minimal rules on posted
content. Gawker.com once claimed in jest that "reading /b/ will melt
your brain".[2]
20:27 <frenzy> The site's Anonymous community and culture has often
provoked media attention. For planners, this enterprise is "further proof
as well as the Social impact of YouTube phenomenon that creativity is
everywhere and new media is less accessible" to advertisement agencies.[3]
Journalists looked at how an internet destination was hijacked for a
prank, so that images of Rick Astley appeared instead of the page that
was searched for; the coordination of attacks against other websites and
Internet users; and covered the reaction to threats of violence that
have been posted on the site. The Guardian once summarised the 4chan
community as "lunatic, juvenile... brilliant, ridiculous and alarming."[4]
20:27 <frenzy> Contents
20:27 <frenzy> [hide]
20:27 <frenzy> * 1 Background
20:27 <frenzy> * 2 Links to Anonymous and Project Chanology
20:27 <frenzy> * 3 /b/
20:27 <frenzy> * 4 Memes
20:27 <frenzy> o 4.1 Rickrolling
20:27 <frenzy> o 4.2 "Chocolate Rain"
20:27 <frenzy> * 5 Media attention
20:27 <frenzy> o 5.1 Internet attacks
20:27 <frenzy> o 5.2 Threats of violence
20:27 <frenzy> o 5.3 Dusty the cat
20:27 <frenzy> o 5.4 Moot's identity
20:27 <frenzy> * 6 References
20:27 <frenzy> * 7 External links
20:27 <frenzy> Background
20:27 <frenzy> 4chan was started in 2003 in the bedroom of a 15-year
old student from New York City who posts as "moot".[5] He intended the
site to be a place to discuss Japanese comics and television shows, an
American counterpart to the popular Japanese Futaba Channel ("2chan")
imageboard.[6][7] Moot purchased the server space for 4chan using his
mother's credit card, with her permission.[5][8] Prior to starting 4chan,
moot had been a regular participant on the Something Awful forums.[9]
20:27 <frenzy> The activity of 4chan takes place on message boards and
imageboards.[2][7] The website is split into six categories: Japanese
culture, Interests, Creative, Adult (18+), Other, and Misc (18+). These
provide for on-topic boards to discuss anime, manga, technology,
sport, photography, music, hentai, torrents, travel, physical fitness,
as well as a random board. 4chan originally hosted discussion boards on
a separate domain called "world4ch", but these were later moved to the
dis.4chan.org subdomain.[10] The site has one employee, a programmer
whom moot met via on-line Tetris. All other moderators are volunteers.[5]
20:27 <frenzy> 4chan is one of the Internet's most trafficked imageboards,
according to the Los Angeles Times.[11] 4chan's Alexa rank is generally
around 1000,[12] though it has been as high as number 56 at times.[13]
It is provided to its users free of charge and consumes a large amount of
bandwidth; as a result, its financing has often been problematic. Moot
acknowledges that donations alone can not keep the site on-line,
so he has turned to advertising to help make ends meet.[14] However,
the explicit content hosted on 4chan has deterred businesses who do
not want to be associated with the site's content.[8] In January 2009,
moot signed a new deal with an advertising company; as of February 2009,
he was $20,000 in debt and the site was continuing to lose money.[15]
20:27 <frenzy> Unlike most web forums, 4chan does not have a registration
system, allowing users to post anonymously.[9][16] Any nickname may be
used when posting, even one that has been previously adopted, such as
"Anonymous" or "moot".[17] In place of registration, 4chan has provided
tripcodes as an optional form of authenticating a poster's identity.[18]
As making a post without filling in the "Name" field causes posts to
be attributed to "Anonymous", general understanding on 4chan holds that
Anonymous is not a single person but a collective (hive) of users. This
understanding has led to a running gag referring to Anonymous as some
kind of �bermensch.[19] Moderators generally post without a name even
when performing sysops actions. A "capcode" may be used to attribute the
post to "Anonymous ## Mod", although moderators often post without the
capcode.[20] 4chan also has a junior moderation team, called "janitors",
who may delete posts or images and suggest that the normal moderation
team ban a user, but who can not post with a capcode. Revealing oneself
as a janitor is grounds for immediate dismissal.[21]
20:27 <frenzy> Links to Anonymous and Project Chanology
20:27 <frenzy> See also: Anonymous (group) and Project Chanology
20:27 <frenzy> 4chan has been labeled as the starting point of the
Anonymous meme by The Baltimore City Paper,[13] due to the norm of posts
signed with the "Anonymous" moniker. The National Post's David George-Cosh
said it has been "widely reported" that Anonymous is associated with 4chan
and 711chan, as well as numerous Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channels.[22]
20:27 <frenzy> Through its association with Anonymous, 4chan has become
associated with Project Chanology, a worldwide protest against the Church
of Scientology held by members of Anonymous. On January 15, 2008, a 4chan
user posted to /b/, suggesting participants "do something big" against
the Church of Scientology's website. This message resulted in the Church
receiving, by its own reports, more than 6,000 threatening phone calls. It
quickly grew into a large real-world protest. Unlike previous Anonymous
attacks, this action was characterized by 4chan inside jokes, including
rickrolls and Guy Fawkes masks. The raid drew criticism from some 4chan
users who felt it would bring the site unnecessary attention.[13]
20:27 <frenzy> /b/
20:27 <frenzy> The "random" board, /b/, follows the design of Futaba
Channel's Nijiura board. It was the first board created, and is by
far 4chan's most popular board, with 30% of site traffic.[23][24]
Gawker.com's Nick Douglas summarizes /b/ as a board where "people try to
shock, entertain, and coax free porn from each other."[2] Certain post
numbers are sought after with a large amount of posting taking place to
"GET" them. A "GET" occurs when a post's number ends in a special number,
such as 12345678, 22222222, or every millionth post.[25] A sign of 4chan's
scaling, according to moot, was when GETs lost meaning due to the high
post rate resulting in a GET occurring every few weeks. Moot estimated
/b/'s post rate in July 2008 to be 150200,000 posts per day.[26]
20:27 <frenzy> /b/ has a "no rules" policy, except for bans on certain
illegal content, such as child pornography, invasions of other websites,
and under-18 viewing, all of which are inherited from site-wide rules. The
"no invasions" rule was added in late 2006, after /b/ users spent most
of the summer "invading" Habbo Hotel. The "no rules" policy also applies
to actions of administrator and moderator, which means that users may
be banned at any time, for any reason, including no reason at all.[27]
Due partially to its anonymous nature, board moderation is not always
successfulindeed, the site's anti-child pornography rule is a subject
of jokes on /b/.[13] moot told The New York Times, in a discussion on
the moderation of /b/, that "the power lies in the community to dictate
its own standards" and that site staff simply provided a framework.[28]
20:27 <frenzy> The humor of /b/'s many users, who refer to themselves as
"/b/tards",[28][29] is often incomprehensible to newcomers and outsiders,
and is characterized by intricate inside jokes and black comedy.[29] Users
often refer to each other, and much of the outside world, as "fags".[13]
They are often referred to by outsiders as trolls, who regularly act
with the intention of accruing "lulz": a corruption of "LOL" used to
denote amusement at another's expense.[28][30] Douglas said of the board,
"reading /b/ will melt your brain", and cited Encyclopedia Dramatica's
definition of /b/ as "the asshole of the Internet".[2] Matthias Schwartz
of The New York Times likened /b/ to a "a high-school bathroom stall,
or an obscene telephone party line",[28] while Baltimore City Paper wrote
that "in the high school of the internet, /b/ is the kid with a collection
of butterfly knives and a locker full of porn."[13] Wired describes /b/
as "notorious".[29]
20:27 <frenzy> Memes
20:27 <frenzy> Internet memes are catchphrases or images that spread
quickly, peer to peer, across the Internet.[31] Many Internet memes have
originated on 4chan, usually /b/, as its fast moving, crowd psychology
nature enables content to quickly be passed on to large numbers of
viewers. The most noteworthy of these memes are lolcats, rickrolling, and
"Chocolate Rain". Other memes originating on the site have gained media
attention of a lesser degree. These include "So I herd u liek mudkipz"
[sic], which involves a phrase based on Pok�mon, and which generated
numerous YouTube tribute videos.[9] 4chan, and other websites, such
as the satirical Encyclopedia Dramatica, have also contributed to the
development of significant amounts of leetspeak.[32] In 2005, the lolcat
meme began on 4chan as "Caturday". Every Saturday, users posted pictures
of cats with image macros relating to that day's theme.[33][34]
20:27 <frenzy> Rickrolling
20:27 <frenzy> Main article: Rickrolling
20:27 <frenzy> In 2005, a meme known as the "duckroll" began, after
moot used a word filter to change "egg" to "duck" across 4chan. Thus,
words such as "eggroll" were changed to "duckroll". This led to a bait
and switch in which external links disguised as relevant to a discussion
instead led to a picture of a duck on wheels.[35]
20:27 <frenzy> In March 2007, the trailer for the video game Grand Theft
Auto IV was released. Its immense popularity caused publisher Rockstar
Games' website to crash. An unidentified 4chan user applied the concept
of the duckroll to what appeared to be a link to Rockstar Game's site,
but changed the end result so that the link wouldn't lead to a duck, but
instead a YouTube video for Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up". Thus,
the "rickroll" was born.[35] In an interview with the Los Angeles Times,
Astley said he found the meme "bizarre and funny".[4][35][36]
20:27 <frenzy> "Chocolate Rain"
20:27 <frenzy> Main article: Chocolate Rain
20:27 <frenzy> A link to the YouTube video of Tay Zonday's song "Chocolate
Rain" was posted on /b/ on July 11, 2007.[37] The Age reported that 4chan
posters urged each other to "swarm" the video on YouTube and thus increase
its ranking.[38] The video became an immensely popular internet meme,
resulting in cover versions by John Mayer and Green Day drummer Tr�
Cool.[39] The portion of the song in which Zonday turns away from the
microphone, with a caption stating "I move away from the mic to breathe
in", became an oft-repeated meme on 4chan and inspired remixes.[37][40]
20:27 <frenzy> Media attention
20:27 <frenzy> Internet attacks
20:27 <frenzy> See also: Anonymous (group)#KTTV Fox 11 news report and
Sarah Palin email hack
20:27 <frenzy> Users of 4chan and other websites "raided" Hal Turner by
launching DDoS attacks and prank calling his phone-in radio show during
December 2006 and January 2007. The attacks caused Turner's website to
go offline. This cost thousands of dollars of bandwidth bills according
to Turner. In response, Turner sued 4chan, 7chan, and other websites;
however, he lost his plea for an injunction and failed to receive letters
from the court.[41]
20:27 <frenzy> KTTV Fox 11 aired a report on Anonymous, calling them a
group of "hackers on steroids", "domestic terrorists", and collectively
an "Internet hate machine" on July 26, 2007.[42] Slashdot founder Rob
Malda posted a comment made by another Slashdot user, Miang, stating that
the story focused mainly on users of "4chan, 7chan and 420chan". Miang
claimed that the report "seems to confuse /b/ raids and motivational
poster templates with a genuine threat to the American public", arguing
that the "unrelated" footage of a van exploding shown in the report was to
"equate anonymous posting with domestic terror".[43]
20:27 <frenzy> On July 10, 2008, the swastika symbol (P) appeared at the
top of Google's Hot Trends lista tally of the most popular search terms
in the United Statesfor several hours. It was later reported that the
HTML numeric character reference for the symbol had been posted on /b/,
with a request to perform a Google search for the string. A multitude
of /b/ visitors followed the order and pushed the symbol to the top of
the chart, though Google later removed the result.[11]
20:27 <frenzy> Later that year, the private Yahoo! Mail account of Sarah
Palin, Republican vice presidential candidate in the 2008 United States
presidential election, was hacked by a 4chan user. This followed criticism
of Palin and other politicians supposedly using private email accounts
for governmental work.[44] The hacker posted the account's password on
/b/, and screenshots from within the account to Wikileaks.[45] A /b/
user then logged in and changed the password, posting a screenshot of his
sending an email to a friend of Palin's informing her of the new password
on the /b/ thread. However, he forgot to blank out the password in the
screenshot.[46] A multitude of /b/ users attempted to log in with the new
password, and the account was automatically locked out by Yahoo!. The
incident was criticized by some /b/ users, one of whom complained that
"seriously, /b/. We could have changed history and failed, epically."[47]
The FBI and Secret Service began investigating the incident shortly after
its occurrence. On September 20 it was revealed they were questioning
David Kernell, the son of Democratic Tennessee State Representative
Mike Kernell.[48]
20:27 <frenzy> The stock price of Apple Inc. fell significantly in October
2008 after a hoax story was submitted to CNN's user-generated news site
iReport.com claiming that company CEO Steve Jobs had suffered a major
heart attack. The source of the story was traced back to 4chan.[49][50]
20:27 <frenzy> Threats of violence
20:27 <frenzy> See also: Jake Brahm
20:27 <frenzy> On October 18, 2006, the Department of Homeland Security
warned National Football League officials in Miami, New York City,
Atlanta, Seattle, Houston, Oakland, and Cleveland about a possible
threat involving the simultaneous use of dirty bombs at stadiums.[51]
The threat claimed that the attack would be carried out on October 22,
the final day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.[52] Both the FBI
and the Department of Homeland Security expressed doubt concerning the
credibility of the threats, but warned the relevant organizations as a
precaution. The games proceeded as planned but under a higher level of
security awareness.[53] The threats came to light in the national media
after blogger Jake Brahm admitted to having posted the threats on 4chan
and repeating them on other websites approximately 40 times.[52] Brahm
did not expect the message to be taken seriously since he "would never
take anything posted on 4chan as fact";[54] an FBI official was quoted
as saying the "credibility of [the threat] was beyond ridiculous".[13]
As a parody of the incident, 4chan temporarily added "Don't mess with
football" as an additional rule for /b/.[13]
20:27 <frenzy> "Hello, /b/. On September 11, 2007, at 9:11
A.M. Central time, two pipe bombs will be remote-detonated at Pflugerville
High School. Promptly after the blast, I, along with two ther Anonymous,
will charge the building, armed with a Bushmaster AR-15, IMI Galil AR,
a vintage, government-issue M1 .30 Carbine, and a Benelli M4 semi auto
shotgun."
20:27 <frenzy> The Pflugerville threat.[55]
20:27 <frenzy> On October 20, 2006, Brahm turned himself in to federal
authorities, and was charged with fabricating a fake terrorist threat
and taken into custody.[56] On February 28, 2008, he pled guilty to
the federal charges. On June 5, 2008, he was sentenced to six months
in prison, six months' house arrest, and ordered to pay $26,750 in
restitution.[57]
20:27 <frenzy> Around midnight on September 11, 2007, a student posted
photographs of mock pipe bombs and another photograph of him holding them
while saying he would blow up his high schoolPflugerville High School
in Pflugerville, Texasat 9:11 a.m. on September 11.[55] Users of 4chan
helped to track him down by finding the perpetrator's father's name in
the Exif data of a photograph he took, and contacted the police.[58]
He was arrested before school began that day.[59][60][61][62]
20:27 <frenzy> Jarrad Willis, a 20-year-old from Melbourne, Australia
was arrested on December 8, 2007, after apparently posting on 4chan
that he was "going to shoot and kill as many people as I can until
which time I am incapacitated or killed by the police".[63] The post,
accompanied by an image of another man holding a shotgun, threatened a
shopping mall near Beverly Hills. The post and image were later deleted
from the site.[64] While the investigation was still open, Willis was
charged with criminal defamation for a separate incident[65] but died
before the case was heard.[66]
20:27 <frenzy> On February 4, 2009, a posting on the 4chan /b/[67] said
there would be a school shooting at St Eskils Gymnasium in Eskilstuna,
Sweden. 1250 students and 50 teachers were evacuated.[68] A 21-year-old
man was arrested after 4chan had provided the police with the IP address
of the poster. According to the police the suspect said it was a joke
and he was released after they found no indication that the threat was
serious.[69][70]
20:27 <frenzy> Dusty the cat
20:27 <frenzy> In mid-February 2009, two videos featuring the physical
abuse of a domestic cat named Dusty by Kenny Glenn, who was calling
himself "Timmy" were posted on YouTube. The 4chan community, outraged
by the abuse, was able to track down the originator of the videos,
a fourteen-year-old from Oklahoma, and passed his details to his local
police department. As a result of this, a suspect was arrested and the
cat was treated by a vet and taken to a safe place. [71][72]
20:27 <frenzy> Moot's identity
20:27 <frenzy> moot at the 2008 ROFLCon
20:27 <frenzy> Moot's alleged real-world identity"Christopher Poole"was
revealed on July 9, 2008, in The Wall Street Journal.[5] The same day,
Lev Grossman of TIME published an interview describing moot's influence
as a non-visible administrator as "one of the most [significant]" on
the evolution of content collaboration. Although Grossman's article
began with the confession that "I don't even know his real name", he
claimed to identify moot as Christopher Poole.[8] Later, on July 10,
Grossman admitted that there was an outside chance that Christopher Poole
was not moot's real name, rather an obscure reference to a 4chan inside
joke.[26] The Washington Post concurred that 'Christopher Poole' could be
"all a big hoax, a 'gotcha.' It would be just what you'd expect from the
creator of 4chan".[15] In March 2009, TIME backpedaled somewhat on the
issue by placing the moot persona on the 2009 Time 100 finalists list.[73]
20:27 <frenzy> Prior to the Wall Street Journal and TIME interviews,
moot deliberately kept his real identity separate from 4chan. He told
Grossman "my personal private life is very separate from my Internet
life ... There's a firewall in between."[8] As moot, he has spoken
at conferences at Yale University and Massachusetts Institute of
Technology.[8] A 2008 article in The Observer had him down as "the most
influential web entrepreneur you've never heard of", though he has since
been described in more limited terms such as "benefactor".[74][75]
20:27 <frenzy> In February 2009 the Washingon Post reported that moot
had attended Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia for a
few semesters before dropping out. It reported that moot was living with
his mother while looking for a way to make money from owning 4chan.[15]
20:27 <frenzy> In April of 2009, moot was voted the world's most
influential person of 2008 by an open internet poll conducted by Time.[76]
The results were questioned even before the poll completed, as automated
voting programs and manual ballot stuffing were used to influence the
vote.[77][78][79] 4chan's interference with the vote seemed increasingly
likely, when it was found that reading the first letter of the first 21
candidates in the poll spelled out a phrase containing two 4chan memes:
"mARBLECAKE. ALSO, THE GAME."[80]
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20:28 <rocinante> dude
20:28 <catsup> it isn't!
20:28 <catsup> 20:23 <b0rf> open source = anarchism
20:28 <catsup> 20:23 <rocinante> no its not
20:28 <catsup> 20:23 <b0rf> period.
20:28 <catsup> 20:24 <rocinante> wow
20:28 <catsup> 20:24 <b0rf> oh yeah! "wow"
20:28 <catsup> 20:24 <rocinante> you have a lot to learn
20:28 <catsup> 20:24 <b0rf> so do you, apparently
20:28 <catsup> 20:24 <b0rf> it seems that we at least agree to disagree,
can you agree with that?
20:28 <catsup> 20:24 <rocinante> i guess so since catsup thinks im the
most "retarded one here"
20:28 <catsup> 20:25 <b0rf> ok, nevermind that shit
20:28 <catsup> 20:25 <b0rf> stop getting distracted
20:28 <catsup> 20:25 <rocinante> the last comment was in response to
"you have a lot to learn"
20:28 <catsup> 20:25 <b0rf> oh
20:28 <catsup> 20:26 <b0rf> damn son
20:29 <b0rf> "this channel is under surveillance"
20:30 <b0rf> lol good one
20:30 <catsup> srsly i can't believe marco told rocinante i called him
retarded :|
20:30 <b0rf> your skewed institutional education probably made you aware
of that
20:30 <rocinante> yeh nice log of all our conversations you cop
20:30 <b0rf> lol @ cop
20:30 <rocinante> isnt that what cops do?
20:30 <catsup> rocinante: lol you're the one quoting logs from another
irc net
20:30 <catsup> 20:28 <catsup> 20:24 <rocinante> i guess so since catsup
thinks im the most "retarded one here"
20:31 <catsup> where did i say that, rocinante ?
20:31 <catsup> did i say that here?
20:31 <rocinante> dude, ive been reading your entire conversations idiots
20:31 <catsup> i would never call a retard retarded to his face
20:31 <rocinante> on your fucking stupid channel
20:31 <catsup> lol
20:32 <b0rf> rocinante, its quite clear that you are not an anarchist
20:32 <rocinante> oh yeh?
20:33 <b0rf> um, yeah?
20:33 <b0rf> no offense, or anything
20:33 <rocinante> so, tell me did you take over the #anarchism irc
channel a couple years back from the "fake anarchists" then too? was
that your crew?
20:33 <b0rf> no, but we took over #anarchy =D
20:33 <catsup> where does this 'crew' shit come from
20:35 <rocinante> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_rowing
20:35 <rocinante> duh!
20:35 <b0rf> rowers are total pussies
20:36 <rocinante> a coxless pair b0rf and catsup
20:36 <b0rf> <shrug>
20:36 <rocinante> do you get it? i was trying to be funny?
20:36 <catsup> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx
20:36 <b0rf> its all good man, i still like the anarchist library thing
20:37 <b0rf> its got some good reedz
20:37 <rocinante> its a "crew" sport rowing term
20:37 <b0rf> yeah i know about that terminology
20:37 <rocinante> well im glad you like it b0rf, but seriously - you've
shown your true side today
20:37 <rocinante> and im not impressed
20:37 <b0rf> what is that rocinante?
20:38 <catsup> probably he's talking about me
20:38 <rocinante> i dont think i need to explain things to you
20:38 <catsup> lol
20:38 <rocinante> regarding that
20:38 <b0rf> yes, rocicinate, please do
20:38 <b0rf> because i really am curious, since you have no idea who i am
20:38 <catsup> he's not capable of explaining 'things' because he makes
assertions without any basis
20:38 <rocinante> and that matters because?
20:39 <catsup> lol
20:39 <b0rf> because you said i showed my true side
20:39 <rocinante> it was a reply to b0rf
20:39 <catsup> "you've just shown that i have no idea what i'm talking
about. and that matters because?"
20:39 <b0rf> and if you think that was my true side, then you are wrong
20:39 <b0rf> it maybe a part of who i am
20:39 <frenzy> too bad
20:39 <rocinante> well please prove me wrong then
20:39 <b0rf> depending on the circumstance
20:39 <catsup> he doesn't think anything
20:40 <b0rf> because we all know that we all dont act the same way all
the time
20:40 <catsup> he's just trying to think up clever things to say, to
sound good
20:40 <catsup> they don't correspond to any actual thought
20:40 <frenzy> I made signs for you; they say "not to be trusted".
20:41 <b0rf> but i dont need to prove to you and the rest of your 'crew'
that you dont know shit about what you're talking about
20:41 <b0rf> fuck your library.
20:41 <b0rf> think i cant be trusted? im not the one who hacked your
crewmembers email account.
20:41 <frenzy> fuck you
20:42 <catsup> lol how the hell did we get divided into 'crews' based
on irc networks
20:42 <b0rf> yeah, thanks
20:42 <b0rf> well they started it
20:42 <catsup> indeed
20:42 <rocinante> hey b0rf start your own library if you want to fuck
this one
20:42 <b0rf> at least im showing reciprocity
20:42 <rocinante> please by all means
20:42 <b0rf> i'll start my own library of trojans to infect your azz
20:43 <rocinante> b0rf: im all for people uploading stuff, im just saying
- catsup and you are in it together it seems.
20:43 <b0rf> but that probably wont happen, since i have better things
to do
20:43 <rocinante> like get wasted
20:43 <rocinante> and be a rascist
20:43 <catsup> do you really not know how to spell racist?
20:43 <b0rf> yeah, thats a good response, im sure you feel satisfied now
20:43 <b0rf> intelligent too
20:44 <catnips> 20:34
20:44 <b0rf> just a bunch of dumbshit students
20:44 <b0rf> thinking they know everything because someone else tells them
20:44 <catnips> 20:41
20:45 <catsup> catnips: ?
20:45 <b0rf> whatever, im done with the discussion
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20:45 <rocinante> lol
20:45 <b0rf> heh
20:45 <b0rf> i'll still continue to upload stuff
20:46 <rocinante> please do, by all means
20:46 <b0rf> i write and edit for a living
20:46 <rocinante> good for you
20:46 <b0rf> so, whatever.
20:46 <rocinante> uploaders are needed, but you must understand that -
discussion will happen surrounding whatever you upload
20:46 <rocinante> especially after today
20:46 <b0rf> alrighty
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20:50 <rocinante#2> still there?
20:50 <frenzy> yep
20:52 <rocinante#2> so b0rf do you understand that fact?
20:53 <b0rf> yeah i understand
20:54 <b0rf> if you excuse me, i have some work to do. bbl
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