freenode_#aethyra.log:[Wed May 13 2009] [22:01:46] <Dimond> http://www.animefuel.com/the-melancholy-of-haruhi-suzumiya-episode-01/
freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Fri Oct 3 2008] [21:57:18] <jkt|> fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch
freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Sun Oct 5 2008] [16:32:04] <jkt|> fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch
freenode_##linux-coders.log:[Thu Nov 20 2008] [22:49:31] <gufymike> http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/what-congress-and-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-barry-soetoro-barack-hussein-and-the-lawsuits/
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [12:59:24] <the-me> Jarvellis, warp from the monsters?
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [12:59:31] <the-me> s/warp/warps/
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:00:03] <the-me> <b_lindeijer> So if we'd break 0.0.24 now, the game would break for a significant amount of people. <- and I dropped it from lenny because of this reason..
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:00:54] <b_lindeijer> the-me: Yes, but Hardy is going to go out of date by the end of this month. And when is Lenny going to be out of date?
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:03:16] <the-me> b_lindeijer, I hope if you think that you could release 1.0 that the support for older clients is a bit longer :)
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:03:43] <the-me> because the _MOST_ distributions don't include newer versions.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:04:16] <the-me> yes I know.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:07:21] <the-me> the best way for doing bigger changes which may break older clients would be e.g.: making the new feature fully available for new clients; older clients can't use them but they still could play it. for the full features version I could backport it e.g. on Debian on backports.org
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:07:40] <the-me> but a completly banned client version is sometimes a little bit bad :)=
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:08:27] <b_lindeijer> the-me: Yes, that's the best way, but there was no way to add more layers without breaking older clients.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:08:35] <Jaxad0127> the-me: if we allow server scripts to access the client version they're talking to, we could easily do that for many cases
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:08:52] <b_lindeijer> the-me: There also is no way to reduce the amount of sprite XML code duplication without breaking older clients.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:10:39] <the-me> b_lindeijer, I know there are many problems, but for example wesnoth supports for a longer time older clients.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:10:49] <the-me> (in their stable releases)
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:10:56] <b_lindeijer> the-me: Yes, and they are in a better position to do this.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:01] <Jaxad0127> the-me: but wesnot isn't an MMORPG (or did they change?)
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:09] <the-me> yes, more developers, bigger userbase etc
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:39] <the-me> Jaxad0127, no but technically the same problems (worldwide server and different client versions)
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:57] <Jaxad0127> the-me: have they really changed networking code that much?
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:12:34] <the-me> Jaxad0127, yes and no. they have stable and experimental releases.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:12:42] <the-me> stable with stable is guaranted to work.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:12:54] <the-me> stable with experimental may conflict.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:16] <the-me> I think this could be 'one solution' for 0.1
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:44] <the-me> but yeah duplicated code etc..
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:46] <b_lindeijer> the-me: When you say stable with stable is guaranteed to work, I'm sure the newer version is going to be backwards compatible with the older one.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:54] <b_lindeijer> the-me: So the older version doesn't need to be forward compatible.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:18] <the-me> but primary I think it would be a good idea to discuss a modell for a longer support of older clients of tmw.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:21] <b_lindeijer> the-me: But for TMW, we can't have the server be backward compatible to older clients, since it would require duplicating a lot of client data in different versions.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:46] <b_lindeijer> the-me: So you're asking us to make the TMW client forward compatible with newer client data.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:49] <b_lindeijer> the-me: Which isn't possible.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:16:27] <the-me> b_lindeijer, no - I just wanted to say, that I also do not have a proper solution for it but it should be discussed :)
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:18:04] <the-me> if possible the older clients just can't use some features
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:18:13] <the-me> just for example partys
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:18:30] <the-me> is their really a need for older clients to play that they have the feature?
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:19:01] <the-me> yes it's good etc but if they do not have the version they could play it or not e.g.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:20:04] <the-me> b_lindeijer, wesnoth e.g. has two trees, now: 1.4.5 (stable release) and the 1.5.4 experimental tree.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:20:22] <the-me> but I think such things are only possible if 0.1 appears.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:22:17] <the-me> (I will not hail wesnoth here on all now, that's just the best example for it I've got now :)). I could also play with 1.5.x as with 1.4.x on the offical and unoffical 1.4.x servers while many things have been changed from the unit skills e.g.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:32:28] <the-me> you're not the first person (only today) that reports, that tortoisesvn failed. :)
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:48:19] <b_lindeijer> the-me: We also have two "trees": stable releases and a development branch
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:48:42] <b_lindeijer> the-me: That we don't make development releases is just because it doesn't make sense without a development server too.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [14:33:37] <b_lindeijer> rodge: Well, that was on the-me's request.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [14:59:47] <the-me> <b_lindeijer> rodge: Well, that was on the-me's request. <- yes but that was also a protest from me against two persons with release huts
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [15:02:30] <the-me> I will also ask Alexander Wirt (backports.org) after lenny is released, to allow me to upload it to bpo.
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [15:03:17] <the-me> so on users also have a more or less offical debian package and if everything fails we could still host it on sf.net and I will support the packaging for myself for stable :)
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [15:04:14] <the-me> I'm just on Debian and I do not like macs for myself *fg*
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freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:13:40] <the-me> yes
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:15:13] <the-me> you mean he will port tmw to emacs?
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:15:36] <[m]att> the-me: #tmw.de
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:30:22] <the-me> <grand_grunt> I mean he is fan of emacs, that's all <-- he is the author of it?
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Jan 30 2009] [07:54:36] <Octalot> "the-me" is the Debian maintainer
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Jan 30 2009] [07:54:58] <Octalot> no me, someone actually called "the-me"
freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Jan 30 2009] [07:55:04] <Octalot> not me, someone actually called "the-me"
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freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:32] <the-me> b_lindeijer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526908
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:55] <b_lindeijer> the-me: I noticed. But what can we do?
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:58] <the-me> (and he is on powerpc)
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:09:11] <the-me> I think it might be an SDL issue
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:09:12] <b_lindeijer> the-me: But I don't understand how he can get that message, but still hear sound.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Tue May 5 2009] [15:28:15] <the-me> b_lindeijer: W: guichan source: outdated-autotools-helper-file config.guess 2004-03-12
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Tue May 5 2009] [15:28:19] <the-me> W: guichan source: outdated-autotools-helper-file config.sub 2004-03-12
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Tue May 5 2009] [15:28:36] <the-me> may you recreate them for the next version with an up to date autofoo version please?
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 6 2009] [11:30:41] <b_lindeijer> the-me: This weekend.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 6 2009] [11:33:03] <the-me> b_lindeijer: fine :)
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:38:34] <b_lindeijer> Anyway I expect us to compile fine, otherwise we would have heard from the-me I think.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:46:59] <Jaxad0127> the-me: !
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:48:34] <the-me> Jaxad0127: yeah?
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:51:38] <the-me> Jaxad0127: what was now? :)
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:53:05] <Jaxad0127> 18:38 < b_lindeijer> Anyway I expect us to compile fine, otherwise we would have heard from the-me I think.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:53:28] <the-me> ah
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:53:36] <the-me> jepp :)
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freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 13 2009] [19:25:48] <b_lindeijer> the-me: I'm putting source and Windows releases in place now.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [04:54:17] * the-me slaps b_lindeijer around
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:19:06] * b_lindeijer still wonders why the-me was slapping him.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:36:13] <the-me> b_lindeijer: multiple packaging issues :)
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:36:33] <the-me> hmp why doesn't irssi show the highlight 0o
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:37:20] <the-me> 1) $ ls usr/share/man/man6/tmw.6
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:37:21] <the-me> usr/share/man/man6/tmw.6
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:37:29] <the-me> manpages should be installed gzip compressed
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:38:35] <the-me> 2) $ ls -l usr/share/games/pixmaps/tmw.png
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:38:36] <the-me> -rwxr-xr-x 1 me me 18176 14. Mai 11:12 usr/share/games/pixmaps/tmw.png
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:38:50] <the-me> it has to be /usr/share/pixmaps/ and the icon is installed with +x
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:25] <the-me> 3) you wanted to include tmw.xpm in the tarball ;) (which should be installed then also to usr/share/pixmaps/)
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:46] <the-me> $ ls -l usr/share/games/applications/tmw.desktop
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:47] <the-me> -rw-r--r-- 1 me me 388 14. Mai 11:12 usr/share/games/applications/tmw.desktop
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:57] <the-me> usr/share/applications is the right dir
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:45:00] <the-me> and there is a ChangeLog file which is empty ;)
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:49:44] <the-me> b_lindeijer: [Thread 0x7feac2ba3950 (LWP 29672) exited]
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:49:44] <the-me> Mesa 7.4.1 implementation error: Unable to delete texture, no context
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:49:44] <the-me> Please report at bugzilla.freedesktop.org
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:50:04] <the-me> just on exit tmw with current mesa, kernel, xorg and radeon driver running dri
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:50:11] <the-me> but I will upload now
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:23:27] <b_lindeijer> the-me: You should have told me before the release. :P
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:23:48] <b_lindeijer> the-me: irssi only highlights when you are being addressed, not when generally your name is mentioned. You have to add a /hilight for that.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:24:14] <b_lindeijer> the-me: We need an empty ChangeLog file for the autotools to work, but we don't use it anymore since switching to git.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:24:32] <b_lindeijer> the-me: I mean, we don't need an empty one, but we can't leave it out.
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:24:45] <the-me> b_lindeijer: ah
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:25:21] <the-me> b_lindeijer: hmm you could just input the one which is posted to the sf.net release notes for further releases
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:25:25] <the-me> or git log
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:26:05] <the-me> b_lindeijer: I told you about tmw.xpm, but you forget it and I saw the other issues just because I reworked some more things with the packaging itself
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:40:35] <the-me> soo
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:40:47] <the-me> tmw 0.0.29-1 is in testing, now I can start and provide backports
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:48:46] <the-me> args there was something..
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:49:01] <the-me> b_lindeijer: do you still have the log with my posted issues?
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:49:20] <the-me> dito
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:49:31] <the-me> yes and I forget it
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:50:17] <the-me> I remember that the tmw.xpm file is missing in the tarball and a doubled tmw.png icon is installed with execution rights somewhere
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:50:23] <the-me> fuck :>
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:52:22] <the-me> I noticed most issues on rewriting some parts which never gets in any VCS because I was debugging some things :)
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:52:39] <the-me> but those issues are realy there
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:52:47] <the-me> but as I remember there was a third one
freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:54:23] <the-me> Kage_Jittai: grep for the-me :P
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Sat Oct 25 2008] [14:45:00] <the-me> maybe he should just learn some basics of cpp :)
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freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:35:22] <the-me> b_lindeijer, plans for 0.1?
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:36:35] <b_lindeijer> the-me: Hmm, good idea.
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:37:13] <the-me> b_lindeijer, plans aka when will it beat down 0.0.x? :)
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:37:49] <the-me> because I also want the tmwserv in the repo
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:39:51] <the-me> b_lindeijer, that's right - these bug should be fixed then first before any new feature will be implemented.
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:40:06] <the-me> if it's fixed => releasing a alpha / beta
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:38:06] <the-me> b_lindeijer, I saw in the past some abi/api changes at guichan. could you please notice to increase the soname to 0.9 then please? and after that for a maintenance release (0.9.1 eg) there is no need to increase the soname again if it doesn't brake things again
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:38:35] <the-me> from 0.8 to 0.8.1 it was okay because of an error in the soname itself
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:39:11] <the-me> here's also a little faq for it: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libtool.html#Libtool-versioning
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:43:42] <b_lindeijer> the-me: If you have a patch it would be applied in no time.
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:44:15] <the-me> b_lindeijer, if you do my documentation work and Debian tests :)
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:44:51] <b_lindeijer> the-me: Sorry, no. :P
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:45:47] <b_lindeijer> the-me: I've told Olof.
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [09:46:16] <the-me> what the hell is tmx?
freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [09:47:05] <the-me> ah it just sounds like a fork :)
freenode_#tmw-gm.log:[Sun May 24 2009] [06:30:04] <Freeyorp> who is the-me ?
freenode_#tmw-gm.log:[Sun May 24 2009] [06:30:25] <b_lindeijer> the-me is his IRC nick.
http.log:freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Fri Oct 3 2008] [21:57:18] <jkt|> fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch
http.log:freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Sun Oct 5 2008] [16:32:04] <jkt|> fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch
http.log:freenode_##linux-coders.log:[Thu Nov 20 2008] [22:49:31] <gufymike> http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/what-congress-and-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-barry-soetoro-barack-hussein-and-the-lawsuits/
http.log:freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:32] <the-me> b_lindeijer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526908
http.log:freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:39:11] <the-me> here's also a little faq for it: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libtool.html#Libtool-versioning