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- Monday, August 27th, 2007 at 4:48:28pm UTC
- <elkbuntu> trolling does not require an audience. meanwhile, xchat did not beep and you are second bottom on a list of 75 dialogs
- <trypglyph> my statement got your attention. And I'm not trolling.
- <trypglyph> I'm making a disgruntled point, not dredging for a rise.
- <elkbuntu> you are making a disgruntled point because someone corrected themselves, put out cries of 'this is sparta' in capital letters, and belittled the establishment of the ubuntu irc team and it's decisions
- <elkbuntu> that quite easily ranks as trolling
- <trypglyph> since when the establishment begin gestapo'ing -offtopic. #ubuntu, gah, fine. That's necessary for herding tech support. When did you guys start in on -offtopic?
- <trypglyph> I'm being serious here, what changed?
- <elkbuntu> when it grew to the point that it was filled with people making racist, sexist and politically inciteful comments
- <elkbuntu> soon after ubuntu went mainstream and attracted troll types
- <trypglyph> life is filled with people, offtopic is filled with people. Stuff happens. We were having a fun devil's advocate philosophical discussion that wasn't political, sexist, or racist.
- <trypglyph> but oh noes, an op gets scared and everyone b-b-b-better shut up or else!
- <trypglyph> offtopic is offtopic.
- <elkbuntu> no, offtopic is ##offtopic
- <trypglyph> #ubuntu needs policed. Spammers and Trolls need dealt with. Free Speech doesn't need to be thrown into a abyssal hell.
- <trypglyph> that's another reductionist dodge.
- <trypglyph> the crowd here is far better for intelligent conversation
- <trypglyph> ##offtopic is anarchy and you know that.
- <trypglyph> the signal to noise ratio is insane.
- <trypglyph> you can't get any conversation completado there.
- <elkbuntu> yes, and that is how -offtopic becomes when we let rants like yours continue
- <trypglyph> no, not if you govern with wisdom
- <trypglyph> don't destroy a philosophical conversation that was enlightening minds
- <elkbuntu> you are aware right, that you incited someone to actually praise anarchy?
- <trypglyph> I wasn't present for this, and you're making me accountable for someone elses actions which is relativist garbage.
- <trypglyph> destroy the spammer, destroy the evil bots, destroy the flamer. Don't tear down free speech.
- <elkbuntu> #ubuntu-offtopic is not the united states of america. Furthermore, what we do is not an abolition of the first amendment. We do not forbid you to congregate. We do not forbid you to engage in the press.
- <trypglyph> Sigh. I don't care about country, I don't care about the constitution
- <trypglyph> This is IRC, we are text creature.
- <trypglyph> What I do care about is what Open Source stands for.
- <trypglyph> and that's freedom.
- <trypglyph> and when you've created separate channel for likeminded freedom lovers to congregate in an offtopic environment, and crack down on A PHILOSOPHICAL!!??!! conversation, something is wrong.
- <elkbuntu> dont confuse freedom with 'doing whatever the heck i want because i want, and screw what everyone else thinks and damnation to anyone who disagrees'
- <trypglyph> you're inflating what I am saying with fatuous argument to defend a weak stance.
- <elkbuntu> freedom does not negate consideration or respect for others. freedom does not permit offensive behaviour
- <trypglyph> no it doesn't!
- <trypglyph> that's what I am saying!
- <trypglyph> govern with wisdom
- <trypglyph> the philosphical conversation wasn't offensive elkbuntu.
- <trypglyph> people were enjoying it.
- <elkbuntu> you're expecting everything to be governed by *your* version of consideration and respect, without considering or respecting *OTHER PEOPLES* versions of this
- <trypglyph> others were backing up what I have been saying
- <elkbuntu> the conversation was an anarchist ranting, not philosophy
- <trypglyph> you're confused.
- <trypglyph> you didn't see the conversation earlier?
- <trypglyph> prior to my rant?
- <trypglyph> we were having a philosophical conversation prior to the rant.
- <trypglyph> and we got shut down by a trigger happy op
- <trypglyph> it didn't concern politics, sex, religion, racism, nada, none, zilch, bumkis.
- <trypglyph> nope, it was about epistemology, metaphysics and ethics.
- <trypglyph> the three cores of philosophy.
- <trypglyph> it was a wonderful conversation.
- <elkbuntu> no, what shut you down was your ranting about o4o in an inciteful manner that was destined to become a flame war
- <trypglyph> Ok, this is going nowhere until you realize that you're talking about a different conversation
- <trypglyph> I will repeat myself once more.
- <elkbuntu> now, you are wasting my time because you are hell bent on getting your way, regardless of the fact that there are rules, and those rules are there to be adhered to
- <trypglyph> Listen carefully.
- <trypglyph> You aren't listening
- <elkbuntu> offtopic is not an anarchist haven. it never was. it never will be
- <trypglyph> I am speaking
- <trypglyph> of a conversation
- <trypglyph> prior
- <trypglyph> much prior
- <trypglyph> to the rant
- <trypglyph> separate from the rant
- <trypglyph> not the rant.
- <trypglyph> ok?
- <trypglyph> this
- <trypglyph> was
- <trypglyph> a
- <trypglyph> philosophical
- <elkbuntu> and i am now ignoring you, because you are merely wasting my tim
- <trypglyph> conversation
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