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[20:15] <Axeman> see, trolls troll people, that's what they do.
[20:15] <Axeman> and when someone in a position of power trolls someone not in a position of power, they don't have to have a reason
[20:16] <Axeman> so, you know, it's basically "load a revolver, put on a blindfold and shoot at random"
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[20:18] <Axeman> and this isn't trolling how?
[20:18] <JohnReaves> I never said it wasn't?
[20:19] <Axeman> well, let's see
[20:19] <Axeman> if I crapflood a chanop in PM and act like a dick on purpose, I get banned
[20:19] <Axeman> but if a chanop does the same thing to me, it's awwright?
[20:19] <JohnReaves> Yes
[20:19] <JohnReaves> Yes
[20:20] <Axeman> hmm.
[20:22] <JohnReaves> I'm glad you have figured it out
[20:22] <Axeman> So you're essentially admitting to being an egotistical, corrupt troll?
[20:23] <JohnReaves> Sure, why not. Whatever satisfies your delusions
[20:23] <Axeman> Delusions.
[20:23] <Axeman> So tell me your version of events, from the beginning.
[20:24] <JohnReaves> Nah
[20:24] <Axeman> You know, the "correct" story
[20:24] <Axeman> because so far, I've noticed that you've never actually contradicted anything I've said
[20:24] <Axeman> you've just been a dick in every way possible
[20:26] <JohnReaves> Ah ha! Spot on!
[20:26] <Axeman> Why?
[20:27] <JohnReaves> To annoy you
[20:30] <Axeman> Because?
[20:31] <JohnReaves> You annoy me?
[20:31] <Axeman> I know
[20:31] <Axeman> but why can't you just let things be?
[20:31] <Axeman> Isn't the purpose of moderators and operators to make sure things don't get out of hand?
[20:32] <Axeman> And not to use their powers for their own personal vendettas?
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[20:32] <JohnReaves> Becasue you keep trying to join and then you PM your bullshit
[20:32] <Axeman> If you didn't ban me from the channel in the first place, this conversation never would have taken place
[20:33] <Axeman> you created a problem and then used it as an excuse to act like a jackass
[20:33] <JohnReaves> If you weren't a worthless troll then none of this would have happened
[20:33] <Axeman> Worthless troll?
[20:33] <Axeman> When have I ever trolled?
[20:33] <JohnReaves> Hah! Seriously?
[20:33] <Axeman> I'd like to see you actually pin something on me besides childish name-calling
[20:34] <Axeman> "Hah! Seriously?" isn't a log, or evidence, or any proof at all, in fact
[20:34] <Axeman> it's just bluffing
[20:35] <Axeman> So pray tell, could you please give me some justification for your label of "troll"?
[20:35] <JohnReaves> How about I have you join a channel and I ask everyone if they think you are a troll?
[20:35] <Axeman> No.
[20:36] <Axeman> You haven't defined "troll"
[20:36] <Axeman> And "troll" isn't a noun, it's an action
[20:36] <Axeman> you troll someone, you are not a troll
[20:36] <Axeman> it's a label used to objectify someone and justify plain meanness
[20:37] <Axeman> A million people saying 2+2=5 does not make it so
[20:37] <JohnReaves> troll is a noun
[20:37] <JohnReaves> don't be a pedant
[20:37] <Axeman> It isn't semantics, it's a state of mind
[20:37] <Axeman> the premise of labeling someone "good" or "bad", your ally or enemy, is a device
[20:38] <Axeman> because if someone's completely good or completely bad, you can treat them as such
[20:38] <Axeman> you either blindly support all their actions regardless of whether or not they're right, or you can hate them with fury and ignore the fact that they haven't done anything
[20:39] <Axeman> so 1984 without the Anti-Sex League, basically
[20:41] <Axeman> although I have to give you credit.
[20:41] <Axeman> you are fucking smart...
[20:41] <Axeman> although winning an argument with authority is a losing proposition
[20:41] <JohnReaves> Aw, thanks
[20:42] <Axeman> So are you a proactive troll, or are you the reactive type?
[20:42] <Axeman> Do you cruise the Internet looking for a fight or do you mainly stick to Wikipedia?
[20:42] <JohnReaves> You are my only recipient
[20:43] <Axeman> Ah.
[20:43] <Axeman> you should really consider selling your services
[20:44] <Axeman> I'd pay at least $10 for you to go on a certain forum and raise hell
[20:44] <Axeman> in fact...
[20:44] <Axeman> do you have a paypal accout?
[20:44] <JohnReaves> Nah
[20:44] <Axeman> ah...
[20:44] <Axeman> because there's a certain group of self-important, drama-mongering bastards who really deserve a good bashing
[20:45] <Axeman> and I assure you, they're very easy to troll.
[20:45] <Axeman> they are known as Random Insanity Online.
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[20:45] <JohnReaves> Not interested
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[20:45] <Axeman> it's a shame
[20:45] <Axeman> you have a gift
[20:46] <Axeman> So what do you want?
[20:46] <Axeman> Glory? Power? Ego?
[20:46] <JohnReaves> I can haz Glory?
[20:46] <JohnReaves> I can haz Power?
[20:46] <Axeman> Do you just want me gone, or am I merely a personification of everything in your life, online and offline, that you can't control?
[20:46] <JohnReaves> I can haz Ego?
[20:47] <Axeman> Parhaps you have little control over events that happen in real life and you're angry because you can't change things
[20:47] <JohnReaves> Hah, you're seriously psychoanalyzing
[20:47] <Axeman> and so you compensate by controlling others online?
[20:47] <Axeman> I'd understand that.
[20:48] <Axeman> You're a WP sysop, so I presume you spend a lot of your time online
[20:48] <JohnReaves> Not too much really
[20:48] <Axeman> unlike casual editors/posters/etc, you put more of an emotional investment in your work
[20:48] <Axeman> so it means more to you than just a chat room, or just an encyclopedia
[20:48] <Axeman> it's your life
[20:49] <Axeman> and if someone pisses you off on IRC, they're not just flooding your channel, they're flooding your bedroom, and you'll be damned if you allow that in your house!
[20:49] <Axeman> hahaha
[20:49] <Axeman> that's okay
[20:49] <Axeman> I get it
[20:49] <Axeman> here's my advice to you:
[20:50] <Axeman> get a hatchet from the store, a tubular steel camp axe is only about $9
[20:51] <Axeman> and pretty much all hatchets like that are the same
[20:51] <JohnReaves> Hah, I really hpe you don't think you amateur psychobullshit impresses me
[20:51] <Axeman> so buy it, take it outside into a secluded patch of woods.
[20:52] <Axeman> doesn't have to be complete wilderness, but not right on a road or anything
[20:52] <Axeman> take your axe out, find an old dead tree, and chop it down
[20:52] <Axeman> Go absolutely apeshit.
[20:52] <Axeman> Release all your frustration, anger, into that tree
[20:52] <Axeman> Try making it a project
[20:53] <Axeman> make a path through the woods
[20:53] <JohnReaves> Here's what you should do: Become obsessed with Bjork, delude yourself into think you are going to be her biggest influence, build a mail bomb to send to her, then paint your face and shot yourself in the head
[20:53] <Axeman> you can walk through it, bike, take your dog for a walk, whatever.
[20:53] <Axeman> trust me, you'll feel a hell of a lot better, you'll have accomplished something, and you'll be able to make decisions online and in real life without your anger getting in the way
[20:53] <Axeman> I'm not trying to be a dick, or whatever.
[20:54] <Axeman> I'm trying to help you out, because you seem unhappy.
[20:54] <JohnReaves> Right, been there done that
[20:54] <JohnReaves> without the emotional bullshit though
[20:54] <Axeman> Maybe you're not. Maybe you're kind of confident because every block, every autorem is a small victory.
[20:54] <Axeman> But it really isn't.
[20:54] <Axeman> It's you getting your jollies, your emotional support, at the expense of other, real people.
[20:55] <JohnReaves> You aren't real people
[20:55] <Axeman> I can understand if you use Wikipedia as a tool with which to improve your self-esteem or whatever, but...
[20:55] <Axeman> that isn't the point of the project
[20:55] <Axeman> we're building an encyclopedia
[20:55] <JohnReaves> Nah, I use serial killing and rape for that
[20:55] <Axeman> and if you can't understand that...
[20:56] <Axeman> and if you're going to put up a shell to deny what anyone says...
[20:56] <Axeman> than there's nothing more I can say to you.
[20:56] <JohnReaves> Finally
[20:56] <Axeman> You are a sad, strange little man.
[20:56] <Axeman> I pity you.
[20:56] <Axeman> Goodbye.
[20:56] <JohnReaves> :<
[20:56] <JohnReaves> :<
[20:56] <JohnReaves> But you're my only hope Axeman
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[20:57] <JohnReaves> The suicide hotline won't pick up my calls anymore
[20:57] <JohnReaves> This is on your back young man!
[20:57] <Axeman> Well...
[20:57] <Axeman> I don't dislike you.
[20:57] <Axeman> Can't really say I dislike, hate, or want to kill anyone.
[20:58] <Axeman> When someone pisses me off, I just remember that there aren't good and bad people, only actions
[20:58] <JohnReaves> Not even them damn foreigners?!
[20:58] <Axeman> people are inclined to do good, bad, stupid, smart, or silly things.. but they're still people
[20:58] <Axeman> Hitler did some good things, and Jesus did some bad things.
[20:59] <JohnReaves> What about midgets? They aren't people
[20:59] <Axeman> Can't judge people because each of us is just as flawed as the next.
[20:59] <Axeman> and it makes you feel a hell of a lot better to judge, but it isn't worth it
[20:59] <Axeman> John... I like you.
[20:59] <Axeman> Could you say the same for me?
[21:00] <Axeman> John?
[21:01] <JohnReaves> No
[21:01] <Axeman> why is that?
[21:01] <JohnReaves> I just don't like you
[21:02] <Axeman> How can you say that, John?
[21:02] <Axeman> No.
[21:02] <Axeman> I take that back...
[21:02] <JohnReaves> Because it's true Axe
[21:02] <Axeman> It's your right to dislike me.
[21:02] <JohnReaves> Now open the pod bay doors
[21:02] <Axeman> You have every right as a human being to like or not like whoever you want.
[21:03] <Axeman> But I feel bad about this, not because I want to be liked (and maybe it is that), but because.
[21:03] <Axeman> I'd like to sleep tonight knowing that I've made someone feel better today.
[21:03] <Axeman> I'd like to change just one person's view of things, make then look on the bright side of things.
[21:03] <Axeman> Because if I can change one person, I can change the world.
[21:03] <Axeman> Good night, John.
[21:04] <Axeman> And sleep tonight with this in your mind:
[21:04] <Axeman> There is nothing you, or anyone can do to make me dislike them. Only actions.
[21:04] <Axeman> I like everyone.
[21:04] <Axeman> Now...
[21:04] <Axeman> Farewell.
[21:04] <Axeman> My friend.
[21:04] <JohnReaves> I will not do that
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[21:05] <JohnReaves> Namaste
[21:05] <Axeman> Likewise.
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