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WarOfTheNerd
Monday, May 28th, 2012 at 1:05:20pm MDT 

  1. <Myrtti> ok.
  2. * Fuchs hands Myrtti a cupcaek
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  4. * haylo (~haylo@ppp-70-225-178-213.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
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  7. <IloveBSDandWindo> Is Ubuntu even worth installing?
  8. <Myrtti> "yes"
  9. <IloveBSDandWindo> What can it do that I can't do in Windows already?
  10. <Fuchs> it has a lovely wallpaper
  11. <Fuchs> and it comes with a good feeling
  12. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo, it can read and alter many types of data
  13. <IloveBSDandWindo> But can it run BSD?
  14. <haylo> you can retrieve songs from ipod and enjoy torrenting without the risk of viruses
  15. <WarOfTheNerd> IloveBSDandWindo, I can give you a list of things Linux can do that Windows can't
  16. <haylo> BSD is berkleys unix version IloveBSDandWindo
  17. <haylo> it runs itself
  18. <IloveBSDandWindo> Waitin' WarOfTheNerd.
  19. * Nine_9 (~quassel@187.57.89.16) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
  20. <WarOfTheNerd> 1) use a FLASK architecture to limit privileges of objects
  21. <IloveBSDandWindo> But you could do that with DOS twenty years ago!
  22. <WarOfTheNerd> 2) limit applications access to RAM/CPU/Devices using a hierarchical set of scheduling rules
  23. * daze has quit ()
  24. <IloveBSDandWindo> But you could do that with DOS twenty years ago!
  25. <WarOfTheNerd> 3) use namespaces to virtualise multiple versions of the OS userland
  26. <haylo> allocate processes using a shared time format
  27. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo, it never did that
  28. <haylo> and if you like bsd you like linux
  29. <haylo> because BSD needed linux to be what it is
  30. <WarOfTheNerd> haylo, not true really.  BSD has some nice design differences
  31. <haylo> its a school cmon
  32. <IloveBSDandWindo> BSD License is infinitely superior to the GPL
  33. <WarOfTheNerd> also, no it didn't xD
  34. <haylo> you think they dont need free software?
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  36. <IloveBSDandWindo> i mean who gives a shit about licensing, if i want it, it's mine..
  37. <haylo> hmm do either of you even use BSD?
  38. <WarOfTheNerd> IloveBSDandWindo, that's the same with the GPL if you don't distribute software
  39. <WarOfTheNerd> haylo, I have used FreeBSD and OpenBSD
  40. <haylo> i didnt think so
  41. <IloveBSDandWindo> what parts of the code in their kernel were stolen from SCO? I've always wondered that.
  42. <WarOfTheNerd> I know the benefits of FBSD over Linux and the benefits of Linux over FBSD
  43. <WarOfTheNerd> in terms of kernel (ignoring the userland)
  44. <IloveBSDandWindo> When will Adobe Flash Player work properly in full screen mode?
  45. <WarOfTheNerd> with FBSD every feature can work with every other feature, while in Linux you have to pick between features (e.g. LSMs don't stack)
  46. <haylo> at&t original code- as unreproducible as a stradivarius apparently
  47. <WarOfTheNerd> while in Linux, everything that can work together is a building-block so you get more flexibility
  48. <haylo> and flash runs in full screen with linux just fine btw
  49. <WarOfTheNerd> yeah Flash has been fine for ages
  50. <IloveBSDandWindo> Can Wine run Microsoft Office 2010?
  51. <haylo> no but you can run it as a virtual machine
  52. <IloveBSDandWindo> Also, hardware support isn't great at all.
  53. <haylo> and even copy it that way
  54. <haylo> i can crystalize windows inside linux if i so desire and return it back to original everytime
  55. <IloveBSDandWindo> haylo, Can Wine run Black Ops?
  56. <IloveBSDandWindo> WarOfTheNerd, Can Wine run MW3?
  57. <haylo> probably , but that a reverse  emulation layer
  58. <haylo> it wastes resources
  59. <Myrtti> so
  60. <Myrtti> in other news
  61. <IloveBSDandWindo> My new laptop will be obsolete by the time Linux fully supports all its hardware.
  62. <Myrtti> lawnmowers are silly expensive :-(
  63. <haylo> Myrtti, they really are
  64. <haylo> i keep fixing my parents cheap one
  65. <Myrtti> sisters lawnmower has gone the way of the magic blue smoke and needs a new one
  66. <haylo> Myrtti, you tried starter fluid and carborator spray on your old?
  67. <Myrtti> I bet the one she gets won't last 20 years like the old one did
  68. <haylo> ah sister
  69. <haylo> she probably just needs new
  70. <haylo> but that high octane will clean out some soot and if you replace th oil it might be fine
  71. <Myrtti> yeah, but back to point 1) lawnmowers are silly expensive :-(
  72. <jussi> Myrtti: really??
  73. <IloveBSDandWindo> Yes, it´s very ddifficultto install programs,that´s why there is so much people that use windows,  instead of linux, if the linux developers make it easy like the .exe on windows,everybody will switch to linux.
  74. <haylo> linux isnt for that IloveBSDandWindo
  75. <jussi> the real basic ones are the most awesome - motor + blades, and like 150€
  76. <haylo> its a giant hack agianst the capatilist world
  77. <haylo> nothing else
  78. <IloveBSDandWindo> Most programs are already easy to setup in linux, but Microsoft still has a >95% market share in the OS business.
  79. <haylo> just because big business usesit- they didnt make it
  80. <Myrtti> jussi: that's worth two weeks meals for a family of three
  81. <Myrtti> if not more
  82. <WarOfTheNerd> IloveBSDandWindo, lemme check
  83. * dors58 (~thetentma@cpe-98-154-165-171.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
  84. <jussi> Myrtti: true, but its a lawnmower...
  85. <IloveBSDandWindo> Furthermore, I can't find Clippy anywhere on any Linux distro.
  86. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo, no one wants linux to work- its made to steal things with. not for your family to watch movies
  87. <IloveBSDandWindo> I loved him!
  88. <IloveBSDandWindo> Where is he?!
  89. <WarOfTheNerd> IloveBSDandWindo, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=24738&iTestingId=71087 <-- Modern Warfare 3 works
  90. <Myrtti> jussi: I see you ignored the part about it being worth of two weeks meals
  91. <WarOfTheNerd> oh and so does Diablo 3
  92. <jussi> Myrtti: You are welcome tou ours if you want it, but you need to get it from oulu and it needs a new blade...
  93. <jussi> or rather kempele
  94. <IloveBSDandWindo> Is Diablo 3 like Pacman?
  95. <Myrtti> thanks.
  96. <IloveBSDandWindo> It probably is.
  97. <haylo> yes the cost of one US lawnmower could feed most families for a year
  98. <IloveBSDandWindo> Furthermore, where the heck is Clippy?!
  99. <jussi> Myrtti: Im actually serious, we are moving to a kerrostalo and dont need it anymore
  100. <IloveBSDandWindo> I need him.
  101. <haylo> think about that Myrtti b4 you revel in an unnecessary capitalist expenditure
  102. <haylo> im sure there are plenty of repairable mowers around you
  103. <haylo> just stop being lazy and trying to use money to fix everything
  104. <jussi> haylo: you know nothing of Myrtti I see - she is anything but lazy
  105. <haylo> it creates pollution as it is in essence energy conversion
  106. <IloveBSDandWindo> Linux  is inferior for development because it doesn't have Visual Basic .NET.
  107. <Flannel> haylo: luckily, we're not talking about a US lawnmower, so we can spend money guilt free!
  108. <oCean> :D
  109. <Myrtti> jussi: yes, and it's probably cheaper to get a new one from bauhaus than to pay for whatever mode of transport we can think of
  110. <IloveBSDandWindo> Linux needs .NET to stay alive.
  111. <oCean> Myrtti: ride the mower!
  112. <Flannel> IloveBSDandWindo: Are you done yet?
  113. <haylo> energy conversion creates waste. to convert money into good is an extreme example
  114. <jussi> perhaps, Unless you have another reason to visit, or if you are on my route to helsinki...
  115. <haylo> doesnt matter which country you are in
  116. <IloveBSDandWindo> Flannel, I can go all day. No.
  117. <Myrtti> haylo: if there were someone who could actually fix a broken one, then it would be worthwhile
  118. <Flannel> IloveBSDandWindo: Go all day elsewhere.  No one here cares.
  119. <Myrtti> haylo: but there is nobody to fix a semiworking one
  120. <IloveBSDandWindo> Flannel, You cared enough to reply, hypocrite.
  121. <haylo> spray some high octane starter fluid in the carburetor and it will likely work
  122. <IloveBSDandWindo>  Solaris will eventually destroy Lunix
  123. <haylo> usually they get water in them and the parts cant be dried out without high octane fuels or dissasembly
  124. * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Flannel
  125. * IloveBSDandWindo (~IloveBSDa@81.93.86.25) has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by Flannel (you should know better))
  126. * ChanServ removes channel operator status from Flannel
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  130. <IloveBSDandWindo> Why is the mascot a penguin?
  131. <Fuchs> because dear Mr. Trollwalds visited a zoo and got bitten by one
  132. <Fuchs> or so
  133. * tavish (~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
  134. <IloveBSDandWindo> That's quite bizarre.
  135. <LinuxMonkey> !guidelines | IloveBSDandWindo
  136. <ubottu> IloveBSDandWindo: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
  137. <Fuchs> jokes aside: it was a competition, but the animal had to be a penguin. I recommend reading "just for fun" by Linus Torvalds, it's a good book anyway
  138. <IloveBSDandWindo> LinuxMonkey, Am I missing something?
  139. <IloveBSDandWindo> Fuchs, I like your username.
  140. <haylo> Mr.Trollwalds lol
  141. <Fuchs> yes, I like it as well
  142. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo, are you an irc warrior?
  143. <WarOfTheNerd> IloveBSDandWindo, Solaris would have beaten Linux, had Oracle not have ruined it
  144. <Fuchs> IloveBSDandWindo: it appears that yours got cut off a bit
  145. <IloveBSDandWindo> haylo, Duh.
  146. <IloveBSDandWindo> WarOfTheNerd, Maybe.
  147. <IloveBSDandWindo> Fuchs, Oopsy-daisy.
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  149. <WarOfTheNerd> IloveBSDandWindo, seriously, they had proper Trusted Extensions (which protected the GUI, not just the command line), well-defined capabilities, Zones (which are better than jails and LXC) and awesome backwards compatibility
  150. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo, and you are fighting for what? because conservatives hate change?
  151. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo, why dont you use your troll nature to spread some good
  152. <oCean> The only thing that ever remains.. is change
  153. <IloveBSDandWindo> haylo, I'm just following encyclopediadramtica's advice.
  154. <WarOfTheNerd> If Oracle had not screwed it all up Solaris would have had decent marketshare and ended up better than Linux
  155. <haylo> not just being a blind voice for nike and MS
  156. <WarOfTheNerd> but because Oracle was Oracle, they destroyed it to keep their Linux ideas on top
  157. <IloveBSDandWindo> WarOfTheNerd, Oracle tends to do that.
  158. <haylo> ILits sad to see my fellow man with a voice- yet nothing to say. so many voiceless. perhaps there opinions are valuable so they keep them safe
  159. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo,
  160. <WarOfTheNerd> oh and OpenSolaris was true UNIX under a FOSS license
  161. * kkimlabs (kkimlabs@conference/itp/x-aplhqxwxymtdotrl) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
  162. <WarOfTheNerd> not just UNIX-certified
  163. <IloveBSDandWindo> WarOfTheNerd, Yes, I remember that.
  164. <IloveBSDandWindo> haylo, Yes? Did you say something?
  165. <haylo> I said everything in one sentence
  166. <haylo> you say nothing in many
  167. <IloveBSDandWindo> haylo, That doesn't concern my to be honest.
  168. <IloveBSDandWindo> *me
  169. <haylo> nothing concern you IloveBSDandWindo
  170. <haylo> you have no loves, honor nothing
  171. <haylo> nothing is sacred- i know your type
  172. <IloveBSDandWindo> Isn't this against the guidelines now?
  173. <LjL> stop bickering
  174. <IloveBSDandWindo> You shouldn't be so mean. This is supposed to be a friendly chat.
  175. <WarOfTheNerd> TROLL! TROLL! OMG TROLL RUN!!! >_>
  176. <LinuxMonkey> IloveBSDandWindo and WarOfTheNerd , Flooding the channel with your linux hate topics are not welcomed here, go start your own channel if you want to continue :)
  177. * WarOfTheNerd hides under the bridge
  178. <IloveBSDandWindo> LinuxMonkey, I never said I hated Linux.
  179. <bastidrazor> its time to jump in the pool and swim around in circles
  180. <WarOfTheNerd> LinuxMonkey, are you mad?  Read further up, I gave an objective opinion.  I'm also a big Linux supporter.
  181. <bastidrazor> this i will do for the next hour.
  182. <IloveBSDandWindo> bastidrazor, Good luck!
  183. <haylo> IloveBSDandWindo, you try to destroy the things you love, because you hate yourself
  184. <haylo> that is why you are here
  185. <oCean> objective? hahaha
  186. <LjL> haylo: i said stop bickering
  187. <WarOfTheNerd> LinuxMonkey, I even gave a list of things Linux can do which Windows can't.  Check my arguments against IloveBSDandWindo's challenge asking what Linux can do that Windows can't.
  188. <IloveBSDandWindo> Stop trolling, haylo.
  189. <haylo> really - so i was right?
  190. * falco7 has quit (Quit: Lämnar)
  191. <haylo> explains why you are here
  192. <IloveBSDandWindo> I was bored.
  193. * ChanServ gives channel operator status to LjL
  194. <haylo> cause you like linux and want to learn abou tit
  195. <IloveBSDandWindo> Anyway, where was I.. Oh, yes.. A new version of Wine is out, isn't it?
  196. <haylo> well there you go. you awnsered your question
  197. <haylo> people use linux because they love it- like you do
  198. <haylo> thats why you are here
  199. <haylo> maybe next time you make a fire- let it burn instead of stomping out its life
  200. <IloveBSDandWindo> haylo, You are confusing me.
  201. * tavish has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  202. <WarOfTheNerd> oCean, read further up.  I sum up the advantages/disadvantages of Linux/FBSD in an objective way based on having used both systems.... O_o
  203. <LjL> i'm confused too, i think i'll start muting at random
  204. <IloveBSDandWindo> LjL, That wouldn't be nice, now, would it?
  205. * Abhijit (~Abhijit@unaffiliated/abhijit) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
  206. <haylo> mute me. im the only one saying anything

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